Animal Bracketology

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to the Point after show with [00:00:02] Speaker B: Kyle Maurer, Marshall hesla, and Ian DeWitt. [00:00:05] Speaker A: This is the show where the guys [00:00:07] Speaker B: attempt to pick the winners of the weekly NFL games along with some healthy debate about current topics. [00:00:12] Speaker A: Let's go. Let's go [00:00:15] Speaker B: back. [00:00:17] Speaker C: We're gonna show up at people's pod feeds and they're gonna say, what is this show? [00:00:21] Speaker A: Now it's time. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Hit all the buttons. [00:00:25] Speaker C: Whoa, that takes me back a few years. [00:00:28] Speaker B: We haven't done those in a long time. [00:00:31] Speaker A: That takes you guys. [00:00:32] Speaker C: I miss you. You know what else takes me back over this weekend? You know, we do family movie nights with the kids every Friday. [00:00:37] Speaker A: Friday. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Love it. [00:00:38] Speaker C: I've been trying. They're getting old enough that I could show them some of the movies that I was very fond of as a kid and I think. Still think the 90s were a great decade for. For kids movies. [00:00:49] Speaker B: What about. Oh, the movie with the library and the kids in the Pagemaster? [00:00:53] Speaker C: Yes. I love that movie. Yeah. Macaulay Culkin. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:57] Speaker C: So good. [00:00:57] Speaker B: Oh, thank God you knew the name because I couldn't. I was blanking on the name. But you said, like, 90s movies. I was immediately popped into my head. I'm like, right there. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Movie. [00:01:06] Speaker C: It's so good. Christopher Lloyd, I think. [00:01:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh. [00:01:09] Speaker C: That's a great. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Gosh. [00:01:11] Speaker C: There's some good ones out there. But this past weekend, I showed them one very special to me. I showed them three ninjas. You guys remember that movie? [00:01:18] Speaker B: I. [00:01:19] Speaker A: That had Dan Aykroyd just heard the name. [00:01:22] Speaker C: You've never. You guys didn't see three ninjas when you were kids? [00:01:25] Speaker B: No, no. [00:01:26] Speaker C: Rocky Colt and Tum Tum. [00:01:28] Speaker A: Dang. [00:01:28] Speaker C: This is a sad moment. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Anyway, it was very special what it's about. [00:01:34] Speaker C: It's a kids movie, but it's. It's these three young boys, these brothers. [00:01:38] Speaker A: Don't tell me that. [00:01:39] Speaker C: These three little brothers who get trained in ninja martial arts by their grandfather and then they have to. Anyway, it's a. It's a great movie. And when I saw it as a kid, when I was my kid's age, it changed every. And I was just like obsessed and I was doing all this ninja training. And so my kids reacted exactly the same way. And so they spent this whole weekend doing ninja training. I made this long list of things where they have to, like, run up steep hills over and over and carry weights all around the trails and, like, lift weights and do cartwheels and. And then they had to go on sneaky missions, which was Them going into the house. Cause I was working in the barn and like, sneaking Oreos or beers for me without mom seeing. [00:02:18] Speaker B: You had your small children get you beer? [00:02:21] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, for you? [00:02:23] Speaker C: Yeah, for me. For me, yeah, yeah. It was. They're practicing being ninjas, so they had to sneak in undetected and bring dad a beer or some Oreos. Yeah. They loved it. They absolutely loved it. So now they're obsessed with the show, just like I was. And it's so satisfying that it holds up. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Wow. You know what's funny is I was just reading. I ended up on Reddit as one does, and I was reading. [00:02:48] Speaker A: You do read it? [00:02:49] Speaker B: Oh, yes. And I. There was this thread and it was talking about, like, best moments. Best that, like, you remember being in the movie theater for. On, like, opening night. It was like, very specific. Like, you went to a movie. What was like, one of the best movie theater experiences opening night that you have? People were given moments like Thor's Hammer going to Captain America. [00:03:12] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, yeah. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Toby Maguire coming out of the portal. [00:03:15] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:03:17] Speaker B: Captain America. You know, like Avengers Assemble for, like, the first time ever. [00:03:23] Speaker C: People cheered when Han and Chewie walked into the Millennium fal. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Force Awakens. [00:03:29] Speaker B: There were some older ones where an older. This is dating us a little bit here. But Darth Maul lighting up his lightsaber, and then the other side lights up. It was like. Because it's like you never seen that before. Chills. Chills. [00:03:46] Speaker C: Love it. [00:03:47] Speaker B: The Ride of the Rohiro. Like, people were just naming all of these and I was like, man, like. [00:03:53] Speaker A: Were you talking about soul? Soul surfing. [00:03:57] Speaker B: What? [00:03:57] Speaker C: What? [00:03:58] Speaker A: I'm talking about the greatest movie of all. You forgot about one. You know, Soul Skaters. Brink Disney original. You forgot about one, right? [00:04:06] Speaker C: How could I forget? [00:04:08] Speaker A: To see if I'd throw you off the scent. [00:04:09] Speaker B: But it made me like, okay. Really? I had this moment of like, man, I would love to watch some of those all over again. [00:04:20] Speaker C: Totally. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Without ever having to see him. [00:04:22] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:04:23] Speaker B: I've never. Oh, man. Like the first time re watching Infinity Wars. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Leaning Tower of Cheezah would be. [00:04:28] Speaker B: Wow, you're picking some old goofy movies here going on. [00:04:32] Speaker C: I did get to see Luke I am your father for the first time in theaters. That's pretty impressive that I'm not because I'm old, but because they re released them in theaters for the. What must have been the 20 year. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:45] Speaker C: And you're old. [00:04:45] Speaker B: A lot of. [00:04:46] Speaker C: Also because I'm old. Yes. [00:04:47] Speaker B: A lot of the Marvel movies I was able to go to opening nights for a lot of them. [00:04:53] Speaker C: Yep. [00:04:54] Speaker A: So this isn't a movie podcast. [00:04:56] Speaker B: No. And so. But it got me thinking, guys. [00:05:00] Speaker C: Football. Okay. [00:05:02] Speaker B: That's us. [00:05:02] Speaker C: Okay. [00:05:03] Speaker B: If there was a football game that you could forget you ever watched and you didn't know the outcome and you could rewatch it all over again and experience it all over again, like, what game would you pick? And I'll even let you pick a historical game that you never watched in your life, but you obviously knew the outcome. You could even pick that game and, like, forget that you knew the outcome. You never seen any highlights. You get to rewatch it. Like, what game? Marshall, you can go college ball if you really want to. [00:05:34] Speaker A: That's the only way I would go. [00:05:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I figured. [00:05:37] Speaker A: But I. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Although it'd be fun to challenge you to pick an NFL game. [00:05:40] Speaker A: You know what? I'll humor you. Yeah. To give you the antithesis of what being a Notre Dame fan is. And I'm torn between the Bush push and Dennard's game where they beat Notre Dame, because I'm gonna have. I have to pick Notre Dame. Losing, like, that is what my fandom has been watching. [00:05:59] Speaker C: Come on. [00:06:00] Speaker A: What? I mean, they made two national championship. That was pretty epic. And the first important game that I remember them winning, that was like a big deal. Was them beating Clemson like four years ago. But no, like the important, like, huge games, like Notre Dame losing on a fake field goal. Notre Dame losing last second on an 80 yard drive with 14 seconds in Michigan. [00:06:21] Speaker B: This is hard. [00:06:22] Speaker A: And if I'm gonna pick an NFL, you can challenge me. You ready? I'm gonna go 20, 22. Really recent. [00:06:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Week 18. [00:06:34] Speaker C: Oh. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Final game of the year. [00:06:35] Speaker C: Okay. [00:06:37] Speaker A: Colts, Texans. This is the game that got Lovey Smith fired. [00:06:43] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Because they didn't get the number one overall draft pick. [00:06:46] Speaker C: Wow. [00:06:47] Speaker B: What a game to re. Watch, I guess. [00:06:49] Speaker A: Thank you. I had a lot of implications. It ended up giving Lovey Smith hired at Illinois. And since he's been fired from there, That's a dream. To be fired from multiple places and paid to do it right. You don't let me finish. Not fired from multiple. Nobody wants to get fired. Everybody wants to get fired. To not have to work and get paid to do it right. As an NFL coach. Let me specify. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:17] Speaker A: You would want to get fired as a Lions coach. [00:07:18] Speaker B: I would never want to get fired personally, but not you. [00:07:22] Speaker A: You didn't hear what I said. Hold on, let me roll the tape back. Everyone's dream is to be fired from an NFL head coaching Job. [00:07:31] Speaker C: Oh, yes. The sweetest gig you can imagine. [00:07:34] Speaker B: You got everyone love. [00:07:35] Speaker A: We love our jobs, Ian. I love my job. Do you love yours? [00:07:38] Speaker C: Well, I mean, if you're going to get fired early, you could get fired at a point where there's no more money left on your contract, and then you're just. Then you're just left high and dry. [00:07:47] Speaker A: But if you're. [00:07:47] Speaker C: If you're going to get sacked right away. [00:07:50] Speaker A: I also want to get, like, fired from a place, like, if I was a coach, like, awful. Like Cleveland. Like, I know they're going to pay me up because they're playing to be there. [00:07:59] Speaker C: Yeah, go coach for the Raiders. [00:08:00] Speaker B: So that's why isn't Vegas still currently paying Jon Gruden? [00:08:05] Speaker C: Yeah, they're paying. They are five. It's five or six different coaches who are. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Russell Wilson finally just got off of the Broncos. Back now. Wow. [00:08:15] Speaker A: Yeah. What was your game, by the way, that you're playing? [00:08:18] Speaker B: I actually had several that I was like, I would love to. [00:08:22] Speaker A: That's not how this game works. [00:08:23] Speaker B: I know. So I'm gonna pick. Surprisingly enough, the first game that I thought of is not alliance game. [00:08:31] Speaker C: Wow. [00:08:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:32] Speaker B: Not alliance game. [00:08:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:34] Speaker B: You're gonna do a Sounder. So there it goes. We're a little rusty here, guys. [00:08:39] Speaker A: We are. It's fine. You didn't need to say I was going to do a Sounder, but I [00:08:42] Speaker B: don't know what super bowl the number was, but it was the Patriots versus the Falcons. [00:08:48] Speaker C: The big comeback three. [00:08:50] Speaker B: That game. I remember watching that game one because you guys were there. We were all crammed in. My little. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Some say that's where the point after was founded. [00:08:58] Speaker C: It could have been the seeds were planted. It was that exciting moment where we were. Ian kept saying, I think they could do it. [00:09:06] Speaker B: You know, like, I was pretty much the only person in that room rooting for the Patriots, I felt like. Because I liked Tom Brady. Yeah. And everybody else. [00:09:15] Speaker A: But you just over and over kept saying that. Yeah, I think it happened, guys. Then they begin. Go. [00:09:21] Speaker B: You guys see that score? [00:09:23] Speaker C: I don't know, Jim. [00:09:25] Speaker B: I just remember watching that game, and it was very exciting. Very exciting. Especially obviously the second half. Watching them eek back into the game, going ultimately into the overtime, that was like, my top game that I immediately thought of for sure. [00:09:42] Speaker A: So I feel like we should give Kyle his. And then I want to hear your. I want to hear your outside looking. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kyle. [00:09:49] Speaker C: That game came to mind just because I remember being in the room and it being so exciting and it's just [00:09:54] Speaker A: kind of an unforgettable thing and being with us [00:09:59] Speaker C: in the room. Okay. I think the. The hardest emotionally hitting game was Michigan's national championship a few years ago. I. For sure, I don't think the game was anything particularly dramatic or special, but like it. That hit emotionally like the thing that I shared with my late grandmother was rooting for Michigan football for a whole life. And I'm not. I'm genuinely not even like other than like a brother in law maybe who's joined the family. I'm not literally not related to a single person who follows any sport whatsoever. [00:10:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:35] Speaker C: Who has. Who gives it even the time of day. And so my grandma and I bonded over watching Michigan football for our whole lives and she passed the year before they won the national title. And so I. I watched that alone and it was just like a really meaningful moment to. To witness that and feel like, you know, I don't know. It was special. [00:10:54] Speaker A: It was special. [00:10:54] Speaker C: It's hard to describe. I can't even put into words. And I won't shout out to Graham's. So I'll. I'll call that on out. [00:10:59] Speaker A: All right. [00:11:00] Speaker B: It's a good one. [00:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Can I hear your outside looking in? That's heartfelt. I like. Do you have like Javid Best jumping over and landing on his head? [00:11:10] Speaker B: Three games that were toying in my head outside of the super bowl one. I had three games. [00:11:16] Speaker A: The Calvin Johnson game. [00:11:18] Speaker C: This. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Oh, man, that. [00:11:19] Speaker A: That. How about Matthew Stafford breaking his shoulder? [00:11:22] Speaker B: Honestly. Yeah. That game was crazy. The honesty. There is a good argument to be made for Detroit versus Dallas when they. When that game was nuts. Gosh, I could watch that mic'd up all the time. [00:11:38] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:11:39] Speaker B: Still gives chills. Chills that that game and the Browns game were by the way, why Stafford is probably my favorite player in. In football. [00:11:46] Speaker A: It's why though they will do miked up from now on. [00:11:50] Speaker B: It's. I just. I love. Yeah, those were. I. I would say let's get your three. My. The first Lions game that it came to mind was them beating the Rams in the playoffs. [00:12:01] Speaker C: Ah. [00:12:02] Speaker B: I was. Gosh, that game was chills. Chills. And I remember watching videos coming out after the fact of Stafford running out into the field. Boom. And I was like, yeah, there you go. Like, yeah. And like his mic'd up being like, oh, yeah, come on. Like he was jacked from them booing him. I was like, that's cool. [00:12:30] Speaker A: Number two. [00:12:30] Speaker B: That's cool. The Chiefs Bills playoff game. [00:12:35] Speaker C: Oh, 13 seconds. [00:12:37] Speaker B: 13 seconds. [00:12:37] Speaker A: That was a great one. That's a great one. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Nuts. [00:12:41] Speaker C: Lives in infamy, right? [00:12:42] Speaker B: Bonkers game. [00:12:43] Speaker A: Some might say in fame. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that game was crazy. Honorable mentions to two other games. Because now I'm just thinking about games. [00:12:53] Speaker C: Love it. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Dudes being dudes right now, right? [00:12:55] Speaker B: Chiefs, Chiefs, rams was like 52 to 54. Jared, Goff, Mahomes, back and forth. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Absolutely nuts game. [00:13:04] Speaker A: The uniforms were just totally like. [00:13:07] Speaker B: You forget that the Rams offense that year was that good. [00:13:10] Speaker A: It was a Monday Night Football. [00:13:12] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. [00:13:13] Speaker C: You know, you make me think that. I wish I could go back and re watch the first time the Giants upset the Patriots in the super bowl. Because I was watching it. I remember. This is a personal thing about me. That was the first time I ever got intoxicated. I drank way too much. I know that. Way too much wine. And we were at a friend's house and I spent a lot of the rest of the game in the bathroom throwing up shrimp. I couldn't eat shrimp for years. [00:13:45] Speaker B: That's gross. [00:13:46] Speaker C: It was really bad. It was really, really bad. [00:13:48] Speaker A: Last. The last. [00:13:49] Speaker B: The last game. And it only thought of it because you brought up the last week like some throwaway game. Chargers, Raiders, if they tied. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Oh, yes. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Both of them went into the playoffs and they got all the way into overtime with no. No time left. They tried legitimately. I remember watching and everybody joked going into that game of like, oh, they should just like make an agreement to tie. And then they played the game. It goes into ot and then the OT is just like back and forth. And it's like, oh, my gosh, this could happen. And it was so fun and exciting, only for it to be ruined by the Raiders kicking that stupid field goal and winning the game. [00:14:38] Speaker A: What a moment. [00:14:39] Speaker B: And I remember Justin Herbert on the sideline just looking over his coach. I've never wanted to tie so badly in my life. [00:14:46] Speaker A: I'll say this, talking about both of us having kind of unremarkable games. We had a pretty remarkable but unremarkable Super Bowl. It's a game that I feel like people could poo poo. But I feel like there are some things that are worth discussing even two or three weeks later. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:07] Speaker A: And the first one is Baboni. It's very good. I enjoyed it. [00:15:12] Speaker C: I was into it. [00:15:13] Speaker B: It was a very tasteful Super Bowl. [00:15:15] Speaker A: I enjoyed it. We can leave it at that. And all the other discourse that other people have taken, some of us, they're [00:15:22] Speaker C: going to shove it. [00:15:23] Speaker A: Totally. [00:15:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:25] Speaker A: As for the football that was being Played how? When you look at a game like this and say that there aren't super bowl storylines, I just think you don't know sports like Sam Darnold coming back and winning after being wrote off by team after team after team, becoming a meme for mono and being a Super bowl champion. Was he, like. Was he the team? Was he the quarterback that, you know, led the way and, you know, had all the touchdown? No. I mean, at one point, we thought the kicker was going to be the [00:15:57] Speaker B: mvp, but he didn't hurt his team. [00:16:00] Speaker A: He didn't. [00:16:00] Speaker B: And you could argue he helped his team. [00:16:03] Speaker A: He. [00:16:03] Speaker B: At no point in this season did I ever feel like Sam Darnold was holding that team back. [00:16:09] Speaker A: I felt like my one storyline was just getting to watch Sam Darnold win it all and thinking the entire time, Justin Manson must be pissed. All I thought about, and I know that he's probably mad that I'm saying that because I don't think I texted him in that sense, but, yeah. How about you, Ian? [00:16:28] Speaker B: I will say this is going to be a Super bowl game that in, like, five years, I'm gonna forget happened. I'm gonna be honest. It's just. It was going into the game, I didn't really care about any of the things going on. I didn't really care who was playing. And this is in part because I was rooting for Stafford in the Rams in the playoffs. I really wanted him to get there. I thought that would have been fun. I was glad he won the mvp. Bummed he didn't make it. It would have been cool to see the top two MVP candidates duking it out. [00:16:59] Speaker C: Right. [00:17:00] Speaker B: The game was, if you look at it from just a pure, like, offensive level, you're gonna be disappointed. You have to like defense, though, because both defenses showed why they were there, [00:17:16] Speaker A: and you live your life by one thing. [00:17:18] Speaker B: Defense is man. [00:17:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:19] Speaker B: I stand by the fact that the top teams in the NFL this year were all heavy defensive teams. By the way, I stand by that. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Thank you for standing. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Right now, I'm sitting by it. But Christian Gonzalez, like, what? He kept the Patriots in that game for a long time when it was very clearly obvious that the game, that offense was outmatched, outgunned, and outplayed by the Seahawks defense by a mile. They were just. It kind of showed what everybody was thinking, which is maybe it might have been a little bit more of a competitive game if we got the Broncos, I think. Hard to say. Difficult to say, to be honest. So, yeah, I just think, you know, the game definitely had its moments and you know, the Sam Darnold is probably going to be the, the thing that I'm going to remember the most out of the game. But if you, in five years you can remind me here, ask me about this game, I'll be like, oh yeah, that. [00:18:27] Speaker A: In the Tony Romo clip, what was [00:18:29] Speaker B: the score of that game? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is the mvp? Kenneth Walker. I totally forgot about that guy at msu. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Who was the Patriots quarterback? Drake May. I can't believe he was still playing then. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Like Kyle, how about you? What was your main takeaway? [00:18:48] Speaker C: The nickname that I coined on this show, two per cup is gonna stick now. Two Super Bowls for cooperation. I think that works. I think, I think we're in an era of really great coaching in the NFL actually. There's a lot of great head coaches. And it felt like this is Mike McDonald being enshrined as the new Sean McVay, but for the other side of the ball very well could be. And what he has been able to accomplish in his short career. [00:19:17] Speaker B: Two years. [00:19:18] Speaker C: Yeah, but even as a DC before this was very impressive. And you know, could it translate? Could he take that and do it as a head coach? He's doing it. He's doing it. It's impressive. And so that's kind of exciting to see like defense led the way. This is a year where, as you said, the defensive teams triumphed and the Seattle seems to have a great coach on their hands. It's kind of exciting. They're in a good position right now to be sold to a new owner. And how's that going to play out? [00:19:46] Speaker B: No, they're double digit billions. I bet that's. [00:19:50] Speaker C: That's pretty steep. But it's within the realm of possibilities. [00:19:54] Speaker B: Did Washington sell for they were like four or. I don't know. I feel like a winning super bowl team in a. [00:19:59] Speaker A: There's been rumors that 1010 Bill is out there. [00:20:03] Speaker B: I wouldn't be sur shocked. [00:20:04] Speaker C: It would. I guess it wouldn't shock me. That's sneaky. [00:20:08] Speaker A: Funny too. Like, I heard an interview with him this morning where he talked about how he got an ear infection from the Gatorade bath he got. Oh, Super Bowl. [00:20:17] Speaker B: No way. [00:20:18] Speaker A: He's like, yeah. And the guys that were interviewing were like, hey, next time your players are complaining about being injured, be like, hey, I won a Super bowl with an ear infection and I still went and partied the next night. Come on, you know how bad it is to fly with an ear infection. [00:20:33] Speaker C: It's Tough. I gotta say, what was tough for me was you didn't have to fly. Was coming to terms with the fact that it's not just the players that are younger than me. It's the head coach of the team is now younger than me. That's. I'm struggling, guys. The head coach. I'm older than the head. Oh, and this is not easy to accept. [00:20:58] Speaker A: That'll humble you. [00:21:00] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:21:02] Speaker B: He's like, what, 33, 34? [00:21:04] Speaker C: No, he's 38. [00:21:05] Speaker B: He's 38. [00:21:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Okay. [00:21:07] Speaker A: He's just 39. [00:21:08] Speaker C: I'm 38. He's young. [00:21:09] Speaker B: He's Sean McVeigh. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:11] Speaker B: I thought Sean McVeigh was younger. [00:21:14] Speaker C: You know, I think Sean McVeigh is older than Mike McDonald at this point. Yeah, yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Anyway, you got our takeaways. What next? [00:21:25] Speaker A: Well, all year, Ian, you know, finally beat us and picks. [00:21:32] Speaker B: You're welcome. [00:21:34] Speaker A: For those of you that don't know, we pick every game. [00:21:36] Speaker C: This is our fifth year doing it. [00:21:38] Speaker A: I think this upcoming year, I'd like to extend. I haven't asked these guys formally about this before for our podcast, but I'd like to formally invite some of our VIP listeners, some of our weekly segment people. I'm talking to you, G. I'm talking to you, Commission. I'm talking to you, Tim DeWitt. I'm talking to you, Justin Matson. [00:22:00] Speaker C: There we go. [00:22:01] Speaker A: I want. I want us to pick every game with our listeners. [00:22:09] Speaker C: Interesting. [00:22:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. We talked a little bit about this. [00:22:11] Speaker A: I'd like to see if they're interested in that. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:15] Speaker A: I'd like to do it with the spread. [00:22:17] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know about the spread, man. [00:22:21] Speaker A: And I'll put the time in of knowing what the numbers are because it could be something fun worth looking at. [00:22:28] Speaker C: It's an idea. Let's talk about it in the summer. [00:22:31] Speaker A: So that's something to chew on, but [00:22:33] Speaker B: we'll have a steak dinner again to talk about these. [00:22:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:37] Speaker A: I'm excited for one of us to get it right, Kyle. [00:22:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:40] Speaker B: We go ball. [00:22:42] Speaker A: We. [00:22:43] Speaker C: You could tie us with another victory. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Yeah, you think? You guys give me a bunch of trash here. [00:22:48] Speaker A: We're just adding a second, but every [00:22:53] Speaker B: year of a dynasty, guys, every year, [00:22:56] Speaker A: we make every pick. Yes. Okay. And at the end of the season, for our last three seasons, Kyle has kind of broke down what we've done well, what we've struggled with, what team we sucked at picking, what team I was great at picking. If you were good at picking an upset if you were good at picking a lock, we get extra points for getting a lock or an upset. Correct. You get dinged if you miss a lock. So a team that you guarantee is going to win, they end up losing. You get negative 1 point. So overall, Ian won this year, and Kyle is kind of, you know, looking through the sheets right now, and he's got. He's got some good stuff to go over today. [00:23:35] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I crunched the numbers, my dudes, and, you know, I. There's this. I don't know how interesting this is to listeners, but this is a brief conversation before we transition to something more fun on how good we are at these picks that we make throughout the year. We don't actually spend a lot of time on this during the pod throughout the course of the season. It's usually a passing mention at the end of our episodes, but it's a core part of what we do for this show, and we take it pretty seriously because there's a free steak dinner at the end for the winner for show. This, as we said, is Ian's first victory. Getting the best record, and the fifth time that we've done it. Now, what's fun a little bit is looking back at this year compared to previous years, because we've done this five times, except 2023. We lost the data. I think we failed to replicate a spreadsheet and overwrote a spreadsheet, and then we lost all of our 2023 numbers. [00:24:36] Speaker B: That's tragic. [00:24:37] Speaker C: So we have 2021, 22, 24, and 25. All of our stats here. [00:24:42] Speaker B: A decent amount of sample size. [00:24:44] Speaker C: Yeah. And so there's a few things that I'm looking at here. [00:24:47] Speaker B: I'd be curious to know overall, over all of these seasons, who has actually been. [00:24:52] Speaker A: How about we let Kyle tell us what he's throwing and then we might get. [00:24:56] Speaker C: That's an obvious question. [00:24:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I was just curious. [00:24:59] Speaker C: So I want to look at this from a few angles. First, I want to look at how do we do in 2025? What are some standout notes? And then I want to say, how do we look against previous years? And then I want to look at how did we do picking compared to the betting favorites? Like, if you just went chalk all year, how would you have done compared to what we did? So first 2025 season, usually, I find this to be kind of amusing and interesting because what we can do is I have it broken down for all 32 teams and all of our picks and what percentage of the time we were Correct for each team. Not that we picked them to win, but whether we were correct about what occurred in their games. Did we pick them to lose and they lost. Good. Did we pick them to win and they won? Good. So if we were right about the outcome of their games, you know, that's a. That's a point here. And looking at our numbers, I see that, as we already mentioned, Ian did pretty well. And on the season, Ian was correct on his picks 62.5% of the time. I was right 59.6% of the time, and Marshall 58.1. [00:26:14] Speaker A: And. [00:26:15] Speaker C: And when it comes to individual teams, there's a few that stand out. The best score on the board is Marshall, who went 16 and 1, picking the Seahawks. He was right. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Almost 100. [00:26:28] Speaker C: He was right 94% of the time for the Seahawks. Now, all of us were pretty good on the Seahawks because they were a pretty consistent team. That's kind of what you see often in this data, where there's. When there's a dominant team and we always pick them to win and they always win, we get a high score. Same in reverse. Bad teams, we pick them to lose, and they lose, and we look great. The tricky ones are the surprising ones in the middle, where you never really know. [00:26:53] Speaker B: Pittsburgh. [00:26:54] Speaker C: You know, like, my top team actually was the Cardinals. Oddly enough, I wouldn't have thought of that as being a team that was [00:27:05] Speaker A: easy to predict, that you have a pulse on. [00:27:07] Speaker C: Apparently. I do, actually. You guys were even better. You. You guys picked the Cardinals correctly. All of us did great. They were actually our second. The Seahawks and the Cardinals were the teams that we knew the best. All three of us were very consistently quite good at picking Cardinals games of all. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Look at that. [00:27:28] Speaker C: Of all things that's, you know, mildly interesting. Ian was very good at the Raiders, at the Patriots, and at the titans. All over 80%, 82%. Pretty good score. That's 14 and 3. You were right. [00:27:48] Speaker A: That's solid. [00:27:49] Speaker C: Yeah, that is pretty good. That is pretty good. Marshall, you got that score also for the Raiders, and that's. That's really your next best team. This team. This. You said 82 for the Raiders and the Cardinals, so you knew those teams pretty well. Let's talk about the teams that we sucked at as a pod. Our worst teams were the Panthers and the Cowboys and the Steelers. We were all only correct on the Steelers. [00:28:21] Speaker A: That hurts me. [00:28:22] Speaker C: Steelers, Panthers. And what was the other team that I said? [00:28:24] Speaker B: Cowboys. The Panthers. Make sense to me. That tracks. They were better than I thought they [00:28:30] Speaker C: were going to be. We sucked with those teams. We sucked at the Cowboys, Panthers and Steelers. Consistently wrong. In fact like the worst score on the entire board here is Marshall picking [00:28:41] Speaker A: the Cowboys, America's team. [00:28:44] Speaker C: Marshall's preseason super bowl pick. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Shut up. [00:28:48] Speaker C: Marshall. You went 6 and 11 picking Cowboys games. That's a 35.3% score. [00:28:54] Speaker B: 35 shot. [00:28:55] Speaker C: Obian, I don't. I don't know what to make that. But you were just, you were consistent. [00:29:01] Speaker A: Can I tell you a little bit about my thinking for them? [00:29:03] Speaker C: Okay. [00:29:03] Speaker A: Well, throughout the entire year I was just trying to back pedal my take and then I didn't know if I could. Oh, they were good this week but not good the next week. [00:29:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:29:14] Speaker A: And I just couldn't catch them. Right. [00:29:15] Speaker B: You know what was funny though about your take is about halfway through the year I was like, I don't know if they're a Super bowl team, but they are way better than I thought they were. Their offense was like ranked like third or fourth. They were quite effect like effective. [00:29:28] Speaker C: They had their moments this season. [00:29:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I was surprised by that. [00:29:32] Speaker C: I was doomed. Anyway, do you have any questions about the teams this year or any interesting or. [00:29:40] Speaker B: I just a lot of. I see a lot of green on mine. [00:29:43] Speaker C: Yeah, you did. You did pretty good. [00:29:45] Speaker A: Shut up. [00:29:45] Speaker B: A lot of 70%. [00:29:47] Speaker C: 62.5. We can talk real quick. Our locks. These are two fixtures of our picks. The that are different than just straight picking throughout the year. We require ourselves to pick one lock and we also pick one upset every single week. And the offsets we have to pick in favor of a betting dog underdog and at least one. At least one each week. And we get a bonus point if we were correct on that. We also have to put a lock in on a. An additional wager on a guarantee of the outcome of a particular game. So we usually end up putting our lock on games with a large spread where one team is heavily favored and we are sure they will win. We usually put our upset picks on games with small spreads where the underdog has got a pretty good shot of still pulling it off. Now for the upsets, Kyle and Ian got ours correct. We went 6 and 11. That's a 35.3% correct. And Marshall went 5 and 12. 29.41%. [00:30:59] Speaker B: That's not that far behind. That's one game. [00:31:01] Speaker C: Yeah. The good thing about you and I getting on those upsets now that's it's only very, very slightly, but we were kind of slightly better than the betting odds because you know, the Underdogs. And we'll get to that. But the underdogs would have won only 34% of the time. And we were right 35% of the time. So we were slightly better than the. [00:31:33] Speaker B: Hell yeah, man. [00:31:33] Speaker C: Than Vegas. When it comes to those. When it comes to those. Okay. For our locks, ian was great. 88.24% of the time. You went 15 and 2 with your locks. [00:31:46] Speaker B: I wasn't playing this year on my locks. [00:31:48] Speaker C: Now you lose a point if you get a lock incorrect. You wager something, you get minus one point. That can hurt you a lot in your score. It can really hurt you. Marshall went 12 and 5. I went 13 and 4 with my locks. I've been, I've been wrecked by locks before. [00:32:04] Speaker B: I have had years where I felt like my locks were not great. [00:32:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:32:08] Speaker B: And I felt like this year that was the difference was my locks were much better. [00:32:12] Speaker A: This is the, like, most like, naval gazing episode of our podcast. Like when we like. Let's talk about picks that we did it right. Tell me about why I'm great. You know what I mean? Like, this is, it is a little. It's a bit self indulging, but I enjoy it. My locks. [00:32:29] Speaker B: You're right. [00:32:30] Speaker C: I am. Let's look at us against. Against Vegas. So if you went chalk all year, you would have. [00:32:39] Speaker A: My favorite. [00:32:39] Speaker C: You would have been correct 65.9% of the time. The betting favorite won that percentage of the time. So that's like how good Vegas was this year at predicting the outcome. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Pretty decent. [00:32:50] Speaker C: 65. Close to 66% of the time. So, like pretty. This is kind of historically held up in the ballpark of two thirds of the time. The betting favorite wins. [00:33:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:01] Speaker C: And we usually are below that. But that's largely because we require us to pick at least one upset every single week. So we, we cannot pick chalk all the way. And that come back. Comes back to bite us. And we're usually a little bit under the betting. [00:33:20] Speaker B: We also get the hopium every now and then for some of these teams. [00:33:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna say that we're like magicians at this, but I don't think we're too bad, actually. I think we keep our finger on the pulse in this league pretty well. So this season, 20, 25, I said it was just under 66%. Marshall and I finished. I, I finished like just about 60%. Marshall, 58%, Ian, 62 and a half percent. So we're all just a little bit under. But that you can probably, you could largely chalk up to our. [00:33:57] Speaker A: It's a rough year for me. [00:33:58] Speaker C: Our upsets. This was not Marshall's best year. No. 58 is kind of low given our historical. [00:34:05] Speaker A: I mailed it in. I wanted the end to win. [00:34:08] Speaker C: I threw it last year. Last year was our best year for picks. But last year was also historically high for the betting favorites. Winning the betting favorite won 71% of the time. [00:34:21] Speaker B: Whoa. [00:34:22] Speaker C: So chalk was great in 2024. One of the highest on record as far as my research suggests. [00:34:29] Speaker A: And comparatively this year, I know it's only a certain percentage down. That's a lot over time. I mean that's a lot of games. [00:34:35] Speaker C: Yeah. 5% less this year from 71 down to 66. And so last year we were pretty darn good. And I think that these were our best scores to date as far as percentages. Like I won last year with 65.8. Both of you guys were in the 64 range. So. [00:34:55] Speaker B: So all better than what we even did this year. [00:34:57] Speaker C: All of everything last year we did was better than this year. But you know you would. We would have done much better just picking the favorites more consistent. [00:35:05] Speaker B: Basically. I won on the off odd year because we had noted this was a weird year. [00:35:10] Speaker C: We were very good. [00:35:11] Speaker A: Would never be odd. [00:35:13] Speaker C: Actually. Ian was terrible on upsets last year. He went 2 and 15. Marshall and I both went 7 and 10 on upsets. That was really. We were really good at upsets. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Telling me I could. It's the upsets, man. [00:35:27] Speaker C: Marshall And I went 41% on upsets and was considering the underdogs won only 29% of the time. We were. We picked them right. 41% of the time. That's quite a bit better. We knew when the upsets were coming. You and I. [00:35:43] Speaker B: You didn't know. [00:35:45] Speaker C: We were pretty good at doing. We were good. We were good. You sucked. But Marshall and I were up. We were great. [00:35:52] Speaker A: Keep talking about last year. [00:35:53] Speaker C: Last year, last year, before 20. 2023. We. We washed our. We wiped our data. [00:36:00] Speaker B: You didn't even win last year. [00:36:02] Speaker C: It looks like the last year was mine. I won last year. But 2023, we don't have data but 2022, the betting favorite one again. Right on the 2 third mark. 66.5. [00:36:16] Speaker B: Terrible in 2022. [00:36:18] Speaker C: 2022. You 52. It was terrible. [00:36:23] Speaker B: Was this a year? There was one year though. Things got really bad down the stretch and I was just throwing in some desperation picks and that had to be it. [00:36:33] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:36:33] Speaker A: That had to remember The Eagles losing their game. That cost you. [00:36:38] Speaker C: No, they lost one with me when they put in like they put in a backup quarterback. I wish I could remember his name. It'll come to me on the drive home. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Nick Foles. [00:36:46] Speaker C: No, no, no, it was before him. [00:36:50] Speaker B: It was like picket or something. [00:36:51] Speaker C: No, it was before him. I think it started with an S. [00:36:55] Speaker B: This was the game that pretty much got Peterson fired, though, that you're talking about. Cause he was fired that year. [00:37:00] Speaker C: We'll figure it out in 2022. Betting Favorite 1 66% of the time, [00:37:07] Speaker A: I. I should not have been. [00:37:09] Speaker C: I won the picks that year with a 59.7 record, barely edging out Marshall, who had 59.4 good times. Very slight margin of victory. Ian was not really close. Down at 52.8% for the worst score on record for the point after. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Gosh, guys, man, this is the lion. [00:37:30] Speaker A: Not only you won this year. [00:37:31] Speaker C: Not only has Ian never won before. Ian has never not come in last before this. [00:37:38] Speaker B: Hey, some of these 2024 looked close. [00:37:42] Speaker A: It. [00:37:42] Speaker C: It. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it kind of was between me and Marshall. [00:37:45] Speaker B: It wasn't that far off. [00:37:46] Speaker C: That's right. Actually, that was a very small margin of victory in 2024. [00:37:51] Speaker B: 2021 was pretty bad too. [00:37:55] Speaker A: I finally won. [00:37:56] Speaker C: Don't do that now. 2020 because 2021 was fun because we who, Marshall and I beat Vegas straight up in ter and we by a percent and a half shock at your back. Extremely close record on that 63.7 finish [00:38:22] Speaker B: for both of you. So how did we determine who won that one again? [00:38:25] Speaker C: I can't. [00:38:25] Speaker A: Based on special. Special points. [00:38:28] Speaker C: I think that that's not counting special picks. [00:38:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:31] Speaker C: Yeah. So, yeah, one of us had. One of us was better on that. But 62 of the time, the betting favorite won that year. So we were 1.7% better than Vegas in terms of our picks in 2021, which is, I think, remarkable. We haven't done it pretty good. None of us have done it. [00:38:51] Speaker B: I wasn't that far off that year since then. [00:38:54] Speaker A: Can I tell you the one thing that always gets me every year? It's the team that you mess like that. You just cannot. They are a total mess for you, like looking at it and saying, I was bad at picking the Cowboys, I've been bad at picking the Cowboys and the Steelers forever. I can never pick their games. Right? [00:39:11] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:39:11] Speaker A: Every year I think I'm going to have some type of pattern I'm going to follow. [00:39:15] Speaker B: I don't know what was going on in 2021. But I had the Rams at an 18% pick rate. [00:39:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:23] Speaker B: What was that year? [00:39:24] Speaker C: That's amazing. [00:39:25] Speaker B: What was that year? Even. [00:39:26] Speaker C: That is terrible. That's one of the worst that you went 2 and 9. Let's see. And then the next year, I went 2 and 15. Pick. All of us were really bad. Picking Washington in 2022. And the worst score on record that I can find for anybody picking a team was me going to win 15. Picking Washington games in 2022. [00:39:48] Speaker B: 11%. [00:39:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:39:50] Speaker B: You're terrible. [00:39:51] Speaker C: That was. That was embarrassing. I could not get them right. I was wrong. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Oh. [00:39:55] Speaker C: Overwhelmingly. [00:39:56] Speaker A: This is your data. [00:39:57] Speaker B: This is 2022. I remember this year because this was when we still were doing the Survivor picks and I had. I was going for the longest on that one. [00:40:09] Speaker A: I remember because you were so happy about being in the Survivor still. [00:40:13] Speaker B: I was, like, crushing that. [00:40:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:16] Speaker B: But I was terrible at everything. [00:40:17] Speaker A: And you're like, guys, I'm in the Survivor still. I loved it. [00:40:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Anyway, you did pretty good this year, Ian. Not as good as any of us did in 2020. Yeah. It's basically, I think, maybe our fifth or sixth best finish. What? You got this. [00:40:41] Speaker B: Somebody had to win. [00:40:42] Speaker A: Somebody had to. [00:40:44] Speaker B: Glad it was me. [00:40:46] Speaker C: Thanks for tuning in. [00:40:47] Speaker A: Thank you. Our last segment is going to come from yours truly. I have a little bit of March Madness, but I'm not talking traditional. I want you to think of who your favorite team is. Okay. You've. I'm. You're familiar with who your. Each of your favorite teams. [00:41:07] Speaker C: NFL team. [00:41:08] Speaker A: Yes. [00:41:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:41:10] Speaker A: And think of the mascot. And I'm not saying, like, oh, it's Teddy the lion. I'm talking about Ryan. Okay. Like, whatever. [00:41:19] Speaker C: Okay. [00:41:21] Speaker A: Could he win in a fight? Battle to the death with the mascot from Chicago. That's what we did. I have a little bit of randomized 1v1 matchups. We're gonna play March Madness style. Brackets here. We are going to. I have brackets of eight, and then we will have a final four and then we will crown a champion. So up first, our first matchup. And you two are the only ones that are obviously talking. And [00:41:57] Speaker C: are we just coming to a consensus here? [00:41:59] Speaker A: You two have to talk to each other. [00:42:00] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [00:42:02] Speaker A: Who's winning? A Bengal or a Steeler? [00:42:05] Speaker C: Huh? Okay. [00:42:06] Speaker B: A Steeler is like a factory worker versus a tiger. I'm gonna take the tiger. [00:42:10] Speaker C: Okay. I'm going with the tiger. Yeah. [00:42:11] Speaker A: How about a build? [00:42:12] Speaker C: Don't overthink it, Bill. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Or a Colt. Buffaloes are quite big. [00:42:19] Speaker C: Or just like a Guy named Bill. [00:42:22] Speaker B: They do smash tables. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Bill Belichick's got a pretty strong. [00:42:25] Speaker C: Right, yeah. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Okay, which one do you want to go with? If I'm taking the actual mascot of like a buffalo, comparatively to a horse, I'm taking a buffalo. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Okay, I agree. [00:42:35] Speaker B: All right. [00:42:35] Speaker A: I think horse would unlikely dominate a bear or a brown. This isn't a laughing matter. [00:42:45] Speaker C: Okay. [00:42:46] Speaker B: Gosh, Technically. Technically it's a brown helmet, if anything, so. Okay, I'm taking. I'm taking the bear. [00:42:54] Speaker A: You're taking the bear. [00:42:54] Speaker C: I'm with you. [00:42:55] Speaker A: How about a lion or a dolphin? [00:42:56] Speaker B: A lion. [00:42:58] Speaker A: Where's it at? [00:42:59] Speaker C: Yeah, where who's turf? Okay. [00:43:01] Speaker A: Yeah, neutral. [00:43:04] Speaker C: What's a neutral? [00:43:08] Speaker A: How about Bengals versus the Bill? [00:43:12] Speaker B: I. I think buffalo. [00:43:14] Speaker C: Oh, you're not taking the tiger. [00:43:16] Speaker B: Buffaloes are huge. [00:43:18] Speaker C: No, but a tiger's like the most lethal predator that exists. [00:43:22] Speaker B: Oh, buffalo is massive. [00:43:24] Speaker A: You're gonna go to buffalo. [00:43:25] Speaker C: Thick skinned, thick skin, but man, have you seen what tigers can take down? [00:43:30] Speaker B: I mean, what can they take down? [00:43:31] Speaker C: Savage? I mean, what's the buffalo gonna do, Run away? [00:43:35] Speaker B: No, it's gonna run into it with its horns and gouge the thing. [00:43:40] Speaker C: One of them, you know, a slash of the claws, you know, right off. [00:43:42] Speaker A: I do like the sound effect. Sound effects for the buffalo. [00:43:46] Speaker B: Thick. [00:43:49] Speaker C: You know, I actually not. [00:43:50] Speaker A: The buffalo is leading right now. [00:43:51] Speaker C: Oh, [00:43:54] Speaker A: now that turned into George's jungle. You guys have to conclude on this, okay? Don't get hung up. [00:43:59] Speaker C: Are you sure about the buffalo? [00:44:01] Speaker B: I'm pretty positive. [00:44:02] Speaker A: We're going. We're going buffalo on that. [00:44:04] Speaker C: I can't believe this. [00:44:04] Speaker A: A bear or a lion? You're gonna get a chance to come back on this. [00:44:07] Speaker C: Okay, hold out. [00:44:08] Speaker A: There's a lot of cats. A lion or a bear? [00:44:12] Speaker B: Kodiak. Kodiak bears are huge. [00:44:14] Speaker A: King of the. [00:44:14] Speaker C: You think that that's the official bear of Shakaria. [00:44:17] Speaker A: King of the jungle. [00:44:19] Speaker B: What kind of. There's a lot of bears. [00:44:20] Speaker A: They don't call it the bear king. [00:44:22] Speaker B: It is a brown bear. Specifically, Kodiak bears are brown. I would have to pick a Kodiak bear if I was going to be a bear. [00:44:29] Speaker A: Yogi Bear is beating the lion. That starts all the Disney movies thinking. [00:44:33] Speaker B: The actual animal here, Right. If it's Mufasa versus. [00:44:38] Speaker A: Well, Mufasa died. [00:44:39] Speaker C: Right. Well, okay, the bear and fox and the hound. [00:44:42] Speaker B: Scar. Scar. Or Mufasa. They would crush Mufasa. [00:44:47] Speaker C: Would crush who? [00:44:48] Speaker B: Mufasa. [00:44:49] Speaker A: Yogi the bear. [00:44:50] Speaker C: Mufasa. [00:44:53] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm taking bear. An actual bear versus a lion. I'M taking the bear then. [00:44:57] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:44:58] Speaker A: How about beer or buffalo? [00:45:03] Speaker C: Okay, we're going bear. [00:45:04] Speaker B: I would probably go bear. A Cody if I'm taking a Kodiak bear. [00:45:08] Speaker C: Grizzly. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Where I do our next bracket. [00:45:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:10] Speaker A: A bronco or a jaguar. You can be quick with some of these. [00:45:14] Speaker B: No, I can't. I have to process. You're talking to a science. A bronco or a jaguar. [00:45:19] Speaker A: You have to process that. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Jaguar. [00:45:20] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:45:22] Speaker B: No. [00:45:22] Speaker C: One bite to the neck. One bite to the neck. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Horses can kick very hard. You just got rid of a. A bill. [00:45:30] Speaker C: The odds of hitting my bill got pretty far. That's the odds of, like, an onside kick. Okay. The. The. That jaguar is gonna hop on the back and bite him on the one shot up. Take that bronco. [00:45:41] Speaker B: I'll give it to you. [00:45:42] Speaker C: Or a raven. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Falcon. [00:45:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a. [00:45:45] Speaker B: That's easy. [00:45:46] Speaker C: Bird of prey. [00:45:46] Speaker A: Come on. A Cowboy or a 49er? [00:45:51] Speaker B: Cowboys got guns. 49ers don't. [00:45:52] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's a boy. 49ers. A man with a pipe. [00:45:56] Speaker C: What are you doing here? What are you doing here? We're going cowboy. [00:45:58] Speaker B: I'm taking a cowboy. [00:45:59] Speaker A: All right, America's team. A panther or a cardinal? Panther, but cardinals are really cute. All right, jaguar or falcon? [00:46:09] Speaker B: I'd probably take the jaguar. [00:46:12] Speaker A: Okay, cowboy or a panther? A panther. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Probably taking the panther here. [00:46:16] Speaker C: Oh, are you. [00:46:18] Speaker A: You just said he's got a gun five seconds ago. [00:46:20] Speaker B: He does have a gun. I think he would stand a shot. At least he would get a shot. He'd get probably one shot off before that jaguar is literally on top of it. [00:46:28] Speaker A: Depends on what kind of shot. [00:46:29] Speaker C: Jaguars are not as big as lions and tigers. And that's. This is like a South America in terms of cats. [00:46:36] Speaker B: Bengals are probably on par with lions. [00:46:42] Speaker C: A male lion is pound for pound. Got to be, like the most vicious battle mach machine. It's huge, right? [00:46:48] Speaker B: Don't battle machine. [00:46:49] Speaker A: War machine. A male lion. [00:46:52] Speaker C: Yes. Oh, I think they are the alpha. [00:46:55] Speaker B: I think you're also underestimating. Like, a Bengal site, like a Siberian tiger are massive. [00:47:00] Speaker C: I was making the case for them. You said they couldn't take down a buffalo versus lions. [00:47:04] Speaker B: I don't think they could take out a buffalo. Buffaloes are huge. I think the buffalo. Cowboy or panthers. [00:47:13] Speaker C: Skip ahead to the champ. [00:47:15] Speaker B: Taking the panther. [00:47:16] Speaker A: Panther or jaguar? [00:47:18] Speaker B: That one's. That one's tight. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Now we got this one. No, I think you get the. The tough one. [00:47:23] Speaker C: If we want to get semantic here, a panther and A jaguar are the same species. Yeah. [00:47:28] Speaker A: I'd probably agree. [00:47:29] Speaker B: That's why I always. [00:47:29] Speaker C: A panther is not even techn. A panther is like a descriptor. It's not a. Technically a species. [00:47:34] Speaker B: I'm going to take a panther because they're cooler. [00:47:37] Speaker A: I can get behind that. [00:47:38] Speaker C: The panther is basically. It's just like a black jaguar. [00:47:41] Speaker B: Yeah, it's cooler. [00:47:42] Speaker A: So there no one wants to say the word jaguar. Is it jaguar? [00:47:46] Speaker C: I think in natural habitat, I think a jaguar. A jaguar has the advantage of their, like, camouflage. [00:47:52] Speaker B: What if this fight is happening at nights? [00:47:59] Speaker C: Oh, okay, okay, okay. [00:48:01] Speaker B: I. I don't care for that one. I'd say count of three. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Pick your pick. One, two, three. [00:48:06] Speaker C: Panther. Okay. All right. [00:48:08] Speaker A: Panther it is. Jaguars are out. All right. How about a giant or a ram? [00:48:15] Speaker B: I guess if it's like, it's gonna be ridiculous. [00:48:17] Speaker A: A literal giant. [00:48:19] Speaker B: A literal, like, giant. I'd probably take just like, one. [00:48:21] Speaker C: One bad. [00:48:24] Speaker A: Okay. How about a commander or a Patriot? I think we already saw that. [00:48:29] Speaker C: I think stupid Patriots are gonna die using your Patriots. Yes, of course. [00:48:34] Speaker B: With their muskets. [00:48:35] Speaker C: Your Patriots could just be anybody who's just like. No. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Well, Patriots. Well, old school Patriots are based on the. The Revolutionary War muskets. They get one good shot, and it's not even accurate. I think you're right. We'll take the command. [00:48:50] Speaker C: Yeah, if you're talking about 20, 25 Patriots, they're idiots. [00:48:52] Speaker A: How about they're a Raider or a Titan? [00:48:55] Speaker B: Oh, Titans are literal gods. [00:48:57] Speaker A: Gods. [00:48:59] Speaker C: Oh, no. [00:49:00] Speaker A: You want the Raiders? [00:49:02] Speaker B: I'm taking the Titans. [00:49:03] Speaker A: How about an Eagle or a Viking? [00:49:04] Speaker B: Viking. [00:49:05] Speaker A: Okay. [00:49:07] Speaker B: Eagles could do a lot of damage, actually, against a Viking. [00:49:10] Speaker C: A Viking? Come on. [00:49:12] Speaker B: They can do a lot of damage. I'll take the Viking. [00:49:16] Speaker C: I'm taking the Viking. [00:49:17] Speaker B: I'll take the Viking. [00:49:17] Speaker A: About a giant or a Commander? [00:49:19] Speaker B: I'm taking the command. The commander. Yeah. I'm taking the giant. [00:49:23] Speaker A: Titans or Vikings? [00:49:24] Speaker B: Titan. [00:49:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Titan. [00:49:26] Speaker A: This is good. Tough, to be honest. You ready? Titan or Jack? [00:49:29] Speaker B: Titan is a literal God, so I would take the Titans. [00:49:33] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Do we just get to skip now? Because you're gonna say, like, nobody beats. Okay, [00:49:40] Speaker C: yeah. [00:49:40] Speaker A: How about a Buccaneer? [00:49:41] Speaker C: Listeners at home have already guessed where this is gonna go. [00:49:44] Speaker A: A buccaneer or a jet. [00:49:47] Speaker B: I'm gonna take the jet. I'm going with the jet. All right, call me crazy. [00:49:50] Speaker A: A charger. And I'm not talking about an outlet or a saint. Now we're gonna get all Catholic. [00:50:00] Speaker C: Dude. [00:50:01] Speaker B: The power of God. [00:50:02] Speaker A: Let me Look, Christ compels you. [00:50:04] Speaker C: Dude, dude, hold out your arm. [00:50:07] Speaker B: Say, Michael. [00:50:08] Speaker C: Thank you. Oh, thank you. [00:50:10] Speaker B: We're taking the Saints. [00:50:11] Speaker C: I'm taking St. Michael. [00:50:12] Speaker A: How about Seahawks or Chief? [00:50:17] Speaker B: Seahawks are not a real animal. [00:50:20] Speaker C: It's based on an offspring. [00:50:21] Speaker B: It is based on an offspring. I'm taking the Chiefs because they. Hats out of feathers. All right. [00:50:29] Speaker C: Oh, man. [00:50:29] Speaker A: You. Can you think of what the two teams are? We haven't done yet. [00:50:35] Speaker B: Don't tell me. The Packers. [00:50:36] Speaker C: Yep. Oh, nice. [00:50:38] Speaker A: And. [00:50:38] Speaker B: And I don't. [00:50:40] Speaker C: Oh, man. You didn't do a Colt, did you? [00:50:42] Speaker B: No, we did the Colts. Because I argued for the horse and [00:50:45] Speaker A: you guys were immediately. [00:50:45] Speaker B: No. [00:50:47] Speaker C: Okay. [00:50:47] Speaker A: You argued for the bill. [00:50:49] Speaker B: Texans. Texans. [00:50:50] Speaker A: Texans. Good job. Packers and Texans. Who's winning? [00:50:53] Speaker B: Texans is based off of a bull, so I would take the bull. [00:50:57] Speaker A: Now, I could say it's versus, literally, a Texan, like a person that lives in tech, like Ted Cruz, versus, like, [00:51:05] Speaker C: someone who lives in Wisconsin and just packs things. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Or just. It could just be somebody who packs. So now you're talking about somebody. [00:51:15] Speaker C: What are you packing, man? [00:51:16] Speaker B: You packing? [00:51:17] Speaker A: All right. [00:51:18] Speaker B: All right. What? [00:51:18] Speaker A: You pick. Count of three. One, two, three. [00:51:22] Speaker B: Packers. Yes. [00:51:24] Speaker A: I'll take the Midwestern generous saint. [00:51:28] Speaker B: The power of Christ compels you. [00:51:30] Speaker C: St. Michael's taking that jet down. Yeah. [00:51:32] Speaker A: How about a Chief or a Packer? [00:51:33] Speaker C: Chief. [00:51:34] Speaker A: All right. How about Chief or a Saint? [00:51:36] Speaker B: Taking the Saints? [00:51:37] Speaker A: All right. [00:51:37] Speaker C: Same. [00:51:37] Speaker A: Here's our next matchup. You ready? Panthers. Bears. [00:51:41] Speaker B: I'm taking a bear. Taking a bear. [00:51:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:44] Speaker C: So it would have been Bears should match up against a lion or something. [00:51:48] Speaker B: An animal. I feel like the be is going to be like a buffalo one, you know, if we didn't take the buffalo. Okay. Those are hard, I think. [00:51:59] Speaker C: Okay, okay. The point has been made now. [00:52:02] Speaker A: This is basically Ram Seahawks in the conference championship. Whoever wins this. Wow, you're gonna beat a bear. [00:52:10] Speaker B: I already know who it is. [00:52:12] Speaker A: It's saints and saints. [00:52:13] Speaker B: I'm taking the saints. [00:52:14] Speaker C: I'm going saints. [00:52:15] Speaker B: I'm literally taking the actual archangel. The actual people who praise the real Lord and Savior comparatively to Greek mythology. Now, what if you have smoten? Yeah, I'm taking God. [00:52:31] Speaker A: What if you were agnostic? What would you say? [00:52:34] Speaker B: I mean. No, I'm not. [00:52:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:38] Speaker B: I believe in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. [00:52:41] Speaker A: This is where you could really, really turn things a little bit. Bears and saints. [00:52:47] Speaker B: The bear. There you have it. [00:52:49] Speaker C: Nice. [00:52:52] Speaker A: No, just kidding. [00:52:52] Speaker B: I've seen the Revenant. [00:52:55] Speaker A: That was our weekly segment, and we're gonna call that a little Bit of animal March madness, anything. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Look up your buffalo facts people. Look them up and let me know if I was correct on my buffaloes here. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Shout out to the buffaloes, dude. Anything else we need to leave our listeners before we go. [00:53:15] Speaker C: Expectations. You know this is our, this is another off season we're going into. You're not going to hear from us every week. But hey, keep subscribed, stay subscribed. You will might hear from us sporadically. [00:53:27] Speaker A: A little random. [00:53:30] Speaker B: American buffalo is the largest land animal in North America weighing up to £2,200. [00:53:42] Speaker C: Right. Anyway that's, that's really cool. [00:53:45] Speaker A: Welcome to the buffalo after. [00:53:47] Speaker B: Anyway, adults have few predators due to their size and strength. Calves. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Go ahead Kyle. [00:53:55] Speaker C: Anyway, it's, I lost my train of thought but throughout the off season sometimes we have a history of tuning in, of jumping back on the mics after the draft. And then late summer we do our time capsule episode which is always very special when we find out how bad we are predicting the future. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Tony Romo climates. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Yeah, the whole thing. And I look forward to a lot of that. And I also want to plug our football off season pod. We've got another pod on a different feed that we encourage you all to check out. You know you heard us talk a little bit about movies to open the show. We talk a lot more about movies on a show called make it Nerdy. [00:54:34] Speaker A: That's right baby. It's spelled M A K I T N E R D Y. [00:54:39] Speaker C: We did a few episodes last summer. We're gonna pick it back up this summer at some point do a few more episodes. We hope you tune in. [00:54:48] Speaker B: A healthy adult bison generally defeats a grizzly bell in a one on one due to superior weight loss. [00:54:53] Speaker A: You heard it there first. A grizzly bell. [00:55:03] Speaker C: My favorite. [00:55:09] Speaker A: You heard it here first. Elphaba the wicked witch has returned in the grizzly bell is down. Take care.