Wk 8: Top Five

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to the Point after show with. [00:00:02] Speaker B: Kyle Mauer, Marshall hesla and Ian DeWitt. [00:00:05] Speaker A: This is the show where the guys. [00:00:07] Speaker B: Attempt to pick the winners of the weekly NFL games along with some healthy debate about current topics. [00:00:12] Speaker A: Let's go. [00:00:14] Speaker B: We're back. [00:00:15] Speaker C: I feel rested after that bye week. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Gosh. Yeah, we're getting a lot of bye weeks. [00:00:20] Speaker A: Hey, the NFL wants to start having two bye weeks. We just took ours within like a four week spin. Yeah. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Isn't their goal. I thought I heard Roger Goodell. I don't know. [00:00:29] Speaker A: I don't. [00:00:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:30] Speaker B: Heard him say this, but he wanted. [00:00:31] Speaker C: To get in private conversation. [00:00:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I was having a combo with him. [00:00:34] Speaker C: Okay. [00:00:34] Speaker B: And he wanted to get the super bowl to be on present state weekend. So that way you would have the automatically that Monday off. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Okay, Roger. [00:00:44] Speaker B: But that would require most likely an 18 weeks with two buys. [00:00:50] Speaker A: Correct. [00:00:51] Speaker C: Amundo. [00:00:51] Speaker A: In order to do that, stupid Joe Burrow was like, totally, we'll give him the buy. Like just negotiated like on air, you know, instead of like behind closed doors. Like we would never do that. We got make the owners feel like they are getting away with something. [00:01:05] Speaker C: Right. [00:01:06] Speaker A: Let's get our question of the day in. What do you got for us here? [00:01:09] Speaker B: Yeah, so this is mostly because I went on a little bit of a trip this week, this past weekend and I took a bus full of seventh and eighth graders to Toronto, Canada. [00:01:23] Speaker C: Woof. [00:01:24] Speaker B: Yes. It actually went quite well. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Were you the lead tour guy? [00:01:28] Speaker B: I was. So we do it through a travel agency. So I'm not the tour guide. We actually. They provide us one though. [00:01:33] Speaker A: Any misbehaviors? [00:01:35] Speaker B: No, no, kids were great. [00:01:37] Speaker C: Actually. [00:01:38] Speaker B: They were really good. So you, you'd be surprised. How cool. [00:01:41] Speaker C: Does everybody get to go or do you have to like meet certain criteria. [00:01:44] Speaker B: To be allowed you. Anybody can go. Okay. You just have to. [00:01:47] Speaker C: It's not just for the good kids. [00:01:48] Speaker B: It's not just for the good kids. I mean we, you know. But you do have to have some moolah. So we only take one charter bus, so it's seats are limited as it is. But we took 33 kids. It was, it was a good trip though. The kids had fun. Took a couple teachers with me. [00:02:08] Speaker A: That's what Kyle says whenever I ask him how his vacation went. Kids had fun. [00:02:11] Speaker B: But when we went, the Blue Jays and the Dodgers were having game one of the World Series while we were there. [00:02:21] Speaker C: Exciting. [00:02:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So we obviously when we planned the trip, we started it last year. So we had of course no idea knowing that that Would be the week. [00:02:29] Speaker A: Totally. [00:02:29] Speaker B: But as we got closer, I was like, oh, my gosh, I sneak out. [00:02:34] Speaker A: For a game one. [00:02:35] Speaker B: No, gosh. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:38] Speaker B: But we had. We were down. So the CN Tower, the aquarium are literally right next to Roger Stadium where they play. And we were going down there on Friday to go to those two spaces. And when we went, we adj. We had to actually adjust our schedule because we were supposed to go to those in the afternoon. But our tour guide was like, there's no way it's going to happen. Like, you're going to have people. It's going to be a mad house. [00:03:06] Speaker A: It was crazy. [00:03:07] Speaker C: Sure, it. [00:03:07] Speaker B: And it went. So we went in the morning and we were leaving the that area around 11 o' clock and media was all over the place already. [00:03:16] Speaker A: Wow. [00:03:16] Speaker B: There was already like tons of people already filling in. So it was already getting crazy. Which was cool to be in that kind of atmosphere. Like, oh, my gosh. [00:03:26] Speaker C: Right. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Like to be in the city that's hosting the World Series that hasn't won in like 32 years. The vibe while we were there was pretty good. And yeah, like, people were hyped. Everywhere we went, the people were yelling like, go, Blue Jays. Whatever. Their little phrases, tweet, tweet, tweet. They actually have like a phrase. So it's like, go, Blue Jays, go. Or something like that. I don't know what it is. [00:03:52] Speaker A: Very original. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Go, Pack, go. But it made me think, like, man, like, how cool would it be to like go to that game? Like, I'm like right there. I would love. I'm not even a fan of either of those two teams. Yeah, I would love to just go to that. And so it made me think, like, just in general, what is one major non football sporting event that's on your bucket list? I can start if you want. [00:04:20] Speaker C: Okay. Of course. [00:04:20] Speaker B: Mine. While the World Series would be very cool. [00:04:23] Speaker C: F1. [00:04:23] Speaker B: It is an F1 race, right? It is. Now we haven't really narrowed down which one we would want to go to, but we have. It would probably be one in America because it's the easiest one to go to. But Miami's expensive. Expensive. So there's one in Texas and there's one in Canada that are. That are both equally accessible. [00:04:45] Speaker C: Oh. [00:04:45] Speaker B: But our girls are actually getting really into it. [00:04:50] Speaker A: They get the fever. [00:04:52] Speaker B: So they will actually actively watch. Like, can we watch racing? And I'm like, yeah, we can. [00:04:58] Speaker A: Like, put your homework down, honey. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, what are we doing here? [00:05:02] Speaker C: And it was you. [00:05:03] Speaker B: I'm not Even gonna lie, I actually thought a little pre NFL teaser here. I thought the race this weekend was actually better than most football that occurred so. [00:05:13] Speaker C: Well, that's. Most of the games this week were blowouts. [00:05:15] Speaker B: It was the largest I think since like 1980s or 70s. It was the biggest. The most amount of double digit wins. There was only one game. [00:05:27] Speaker C: One Bengals Jets. [00:05:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that was the only game that wasn't decided by double digits. [00:05:32] Speaker C: That's weird. It doesn't make. [00:05:35] Speaker B: Quite literally doesn't happen very often. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Anyways, that was mine. So what was your guys's? [00:05:41] Speaker C: You have some? [00:05:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I've always wanted to go to a Blackhawks game at Chicago. [00:05:47] Speaker C: Okay. [00:05:48] Speaker A: It's nothing as simple as like a World Series or making it a Stanley Cup. Like I just want to be in. In the ring when their goal song hits the Chelsea Dagger and just, just think that'd be so cool. [00:06:03] Speaker B: That's their actual. [00:06:04] Speaker A: That's their goal song. Yeah. Chelsea Dagger, huh? [00:06:08] Speaker B: That. I always thought that was from the, the show. There's a. I think it's called the league. There is a show that would be like. [00:06:20] Speaker A: Are they located in Chicago? [00:06:23] Speaker B: They might be actually. [00:06:24] Speaker A: It might be why. [00:06:25] Speaker B: It might be why? [00:06:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I've watched enough games and just my dad being a big Hawks fan, kind of passed it on to us and always wanted to go to a Blackhawks game. [00:06:34] Speaker C: And yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker A: You know, Chicago isn't too far away so I have really no excuse as to why I haven't been there yet. [00:06:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:06:39] Speaker B: That's fair. [00:06:40] Speaker A: How about you, Kyle? [00:06:42] Speaker C: Immediately a lot of like experiences come to mind because I just think that there are so many like iconic sports experiences. A lot of, A lot of like postseason championship things. Like those would be just like incredible like under, under the big lights, a night game, just watching whatever it is, it doesn't matter. Sport that I don't follow. You know, just so dramatic and you know, actually I'm not that related but World Series I was thinking of, I was reminded of today because you guys remember Bernie Williams from the Yankees. [00:07:09] Speaker A: Familiar center fielder. [00:07:11] Speaker C: Center fielder. [00:07:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:12] Speaker C: I remember teenage me with my buddy. We were, we were kind of rooting for the Yankees back in 2000. Watched them. Bernie caught the, the winning out when they beat The Mets in 2000 in the world Series. And, and a coworker of mine today was telling like this weekend, she lives in Puerto Rico. She was jamming at a bar and Bernie Williams was jamming there. She's like, apparently he played for the Yankees or something like that. [00:07:39] Speaker A: Isn't he an artist. [00:07:40] Speaker C: He's a guitar player. That's right. He's amazing. And she sent this video of Bernie Williams, former center fielder from the Yankees, shredding on his guitar in his bar in Puerto Rico. [00:07:50] Speaker A: So your answer is the bird Bernie Williams? [00:07:53] Speaker C: No, there's just an. Sorry, there's an anecdote interjected because we were talking World Series, and I was like, oh, this funny thing today. [00:07:59] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:08:00] Speaker B: That's funny. [00:08:00] Speaker C: That would be so crazy. Like, yes, I remember who Bernie Williams is very vividly. [00:08:05] Speaker A: Now you think of MLB players, Like, think of how big Aaron judges. Like, imagine he just, like, plays the. [00:08:10] Speaker C: Cajon 25 years ago, you know, like this one. One of those moments that I. But I think, like, a big sports moment is, you know, what if we went to, like, the Kentucky Derby or something? Like, really, really icon. [00:08:24] Speaker B: You got to get really. [00:08:25] Speaker C: I would love to go to X Games. Would be kind of sweet. Like, I was really into that when I was a teen, and it would be pretty sick to see that live. But I think ultimate has got to be Olympics. [00:08:37] Speaker B: I was thinking Winter Olympics, I think. [00:08:39] Speaker C: Would be so epic. [00:08:41] Speaker A: To specific, you'd want to go see. [00:08:44] Speaker C: It's a little bit about the sports. You know, I think that there's a big. The winter ones, especially a big spectacle, like outdoor, you know, with the big hills and the jumps and, like, there's a lot of, like, visual spectacle stuff going on in indoor and outdoor. So I think that would be super sweet. But more. More. It's like, just like, the experience of, like, days and days of, like, the world, you know, like, I'm big into that, like, different cultures, people from other countries and stuff like that. That would be a fascinating experience to just like, all day go to all these places, all these things, sit next to and talk to and meet people from all over the world and just see them, like, experience their pride and who they're showing up to to support. That would just be an incredible life experience. [00:09:30] Speaker B: I would. If I was to go to the Olympics, which that was. That's up there. I probably want to go to the summer one, so before the winter ones, mostly because I always love watching the swimming and. [00:09:43] Speaker C: The swimming. [00:09:43] Speaker B: The swimming. [00:09:44] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [00:09:45] Speaker B: Really fun to watch those guys. [00:09:48] Speaker C: I mean, no, no disrespect. [00:09:50] Speaker B: It's really fun to watch them. Like, I get really into those, like, the swimming. Like, it's a. It's a race. [00:09:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:57] Speaker B: I mean, it's just like a really simple type of thing to watch. [00:10:00] Speaker A: You do like, a good race. [00:10:02] Speaker B: I do like a good race, but the girls have really gotten into the gymnastics stuff. So when we were watching that, like they were all about like, Jordan, child's go. [00:10:13] Speaker C: It is very cool to see Simone Biles like do her thing. Oh my God. Would be just crazy. That'd be amazing. [00:10:18] Speaker B: Ye be crazy. [00:10:20] Speaker A: It'd be amazing to watch her. I don't know if I could watch gymnastics just cuz I don't. I wouldn't be able to like say like that person's great compared to the other. As somebody who's seen like you could kids do gymnastics? Like, I can't tell the difference there. They're like, oh, that was like four points less. I'm like, she just did the same thing that. That kid over there got a metal. [00:10:38] Speaker B: It's funny though, because when you watch that like as often, like if you tune in to all of them, you do kind of start to know like, oh, they're gonna lose points there for that. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Seriously. My mom always like, if you watch. [00:10:52] Speaker B: It enough, you really can start picking up on like how they're gonna lose money. You don't know obviously how mom watches. [00:10:57] Speaker A: Figure skating and she does the same thing. Like she knows the differences in scores. I'm like, that's crazy. She was real good at it. [00:11:03] Speaker C: I loved watching it in the 90s. I don't like Scott Hamilton doing the backflip on the figure skating. And you know, Michelle Corbin doing the figure skating. Dominique Dawes and yeah, how. And that one girl who like broke her leg landing on the on the vault thing, you know, that was like an iconic moment. Like she won and was carried off. And then like the, the extra unnecessary but still interesting story is like you've all seen this clip of her getting carried off and then the trainer there, you know who that is. [00:11:36] Speaker B: How cool would it have been to be at like the Miracle on Ice? [00:11:41] Speaker A: I would have rather been at the gold medal game after that. [00:11:45] Speaker B: But that wasn't even the one that is remembered. Yeah, it's the one where they, the United States beat the Russians. Like that was the premium game, right? [00:11:54] Speaker C: The underdog story that they were. [00:11:55] Speaker A: The Russians were out drunk. But the night before, what you don't know about that, like the story that like all the Russian players were out drinking with the, the women in the Olympic village. [00:12:08] Speaker C: That's why. [00:12:08] Speaker B: There you go. [00:12:10] Speaker A: That's like a long tailed, like wise tale of like wives. Tale is the right word, but. All right, let's move on to our hot takes Twitter prompts, as we like to call Them. The mailbag. Get your mailbag. Mail time. Mail time. Mail time. Mail time. Mail time. [00:12:26] Speaker B: That's copyrighted. Be very careful there. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Is it really? [00:12:29] Speaker C: I've never heard of that. [00:12:30] Speaker B: That's Nickelodeon. That is Blue's Clues. [00:12:33] Speaker A: Oh, listen to Steve from Blue Clues. [00:12:37] Speaker B: Mail. It never fails. [00:12:39] Speaker A: Careful. Right? You're right. All right, G writes in a little trivia for us, and he's waiting to send me the answer right now. Holding to press set. Come on, G. What first name has won the most super bowl games since they started playing? Not just quarterbacks. I'm talking all positions. And the answer. What? 58 people have won? [00:13:01] Speaker C: No way. So, wait, wait, wait. [00:13:04] Speaker B: I'm confused. Wait, what? Repeat the question. Are we guessing here? [00:13:08] Speaker A: What first name has won the most Super Bowls since they started playing Super Bowls? And I'm not just talking. [00:13:17] Speaker C: This is inclusive of an entire roster. [00:13:20] Speaker B: Just a first name. [00:13:21] Speaker A: Just a first. [00:13:22] Speaker C: So we're going on what. What is the 60 Super Bowls that we're approaching? [00:13:26] Speaker A: If that's what you're cur. [00:13:27] Speaker C: I'm going. Joe. [00:13:27] Speaker B: Oh, I was legitimately about. [00:13:31] Speaker C: Of course. You're about to say I had to jump in before you got there. [00:13:34] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:13:34] Speaker B: All right, fine. I can't go. Joe. [00:13:37] Speaker A: O. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Maybe to Tom. Why am I helping you? I don't know. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Tom's not bad. Tom's not bad. [00:13:43] Speaker A: Steve. [00:13:45] Speaker B: Steve. [00:13:47] Speaker C: What kind of rapping is Steve. [00:13:51] Speaker B: Terry? I only know of one, but he's 1 4. [00:13:58] Speaker C: I know. Abjo Flacco. [00:13:59] Speaker B: I know. That's at least five right there. [00:14:04] Speaker C: Is it 58. [00:14:05] Speaker B: All right, I got. I'll go. I'll go. Matt. No, it's not bad. Yeah, but I don't know. [00:14:15] Speaker C: He's stumped. [00:14:15] Speaker B: I am. [00:14:16] Speaker C: There's smoke coming out of his ears. [00:14:17] Speaker B: You. It's because you took my answer. [00:14:19] Speaker A: You just sent me the answer, so why don't you. [00:14:21] Speaker B: I'll. [00:14:21] Speaker C: I'll give you Joe, and I'll take. [00:14:22] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. We're. [00:14:25] Speaker A: Come on. [00:14:25] Speaker B: I don't want to do that. No, you've got. [00:14:27] Speaker C: You're invested in this. [00:14:28] Speaker B: I'm taking Matt. I'm taking Matt. That's a terrible answer. [00:14:30] Speaker A: Do you have a backup answer, Kyle? [00:14:32] Speaker C: My backup is Tom. [00:14:35] Speaker A: It's Mike. [00:14:36] Speaker B: I was closest to times. [00:14:38] Speaker A: 58 times. Pretty impressive. [00:14:40] Speaker B: I got the M. So suck on that. [00:14:42] Speaker A: Wow. [00:14:43] Speaker C: Okay. [00:14:43] Speaker A: Thank you. Let's move on. [00:14:47] Speaker C: Thanks for the question, G. Thanks. That's really interesting. I appreciate it. Funny. [00:14:51] Speaker A: The question that we have all been wondering. I'm going to skip ahead to Elliot Acateo writes in, after beating the Bengals, are the jets back? [00:15:00] Speaker C: How. My question. I was trying to remember how many losses did the Campbell era start with? [00:15:07] Speaker B: They had 10. [00:15:09] Speaker C: They lost 10 straight games in the first season. [00:15:14] Speaker B: They got a tie in there, though. [00:15:16] Speaker A: Yeah. And if you don't tie, you lose. [00:15:19] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [00:15:20] Speaker B: I. I don't know if it was 10 or 9 because there was a tie in there. I remember. I distinctly remember seeing a 10 and 1. 0. 10 and 1. [00:15:30] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:15:31] Speaker B: I want to say 10, but it could be nine. [00:15:34] Speaker C: Okay. [00:15:34] Speaker B: If we're counting. [00:15:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it was. It was more than Aaron Glenn. [00:15:38] Speaker B: If we're counting an actual win, though, I would probably say if we're not including the tie, I think they. It was than 11 games. [00:15:47] Speaker C: Okay. [00:15:48] Speaker B: Before they won their first. Okay. [00:15:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:52] Speaker A: I thought you were looking it up. I'll check right now. [00:15:54] Speaker C: I think that's a good recent example to remind us that it can take time to establish a new culture. [00:16:00] Speaker A: Are they back? Answer, Elliot. [00:16:02] Speaker C: Wait. But they were never here. [00:16:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:04] Speaker C: So I'm never gonna say that jets are back. They weren't here before. [00:16:07] Speaker B: Watched enough of their football games, but from what I have seen is that they are. They're, like, atrocious when they have. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Did you, like, their owner came out and just said, like, yeah, it's hard to win with a quarterback back there. [00:16:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:21] Speaker C: I hate. I hate him. I think that owner is so stupid. He's a trash owner. And over the past 10 years, they have lost more games than any other team in the NFL and he's the only common element. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:35] Speaker C: What an idiot. What a stupid, trash of piece of crap. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Did you see Kin Fields, like, interview after. It was quite emotional. Like the. [00:16:43] Speaker C: He was very vulnerable. [00:16:44] Speaker B: He was very. [00:16:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Talked about locking himself in the closet and just sobbing. It's pretty. [00:16:50] Speaker B: That's hard. I mean, but like, he's in a position where he's literally. Like he feels like he's losing. Like, he probably recognizes this is my last, probably real opportunity to show that I can be a starter. [00:17:03] Speaker A: There's something to be said for the part that athletes don't really get talked about a lot is that they are on the spectacle and could mess up at any moment. [00:17:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:17:18] Speaker B: So I. [00:17:19] Speaker A: So they're not back, is what you're saying? [00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I. Yeah, no, no. [00:17:23] Speaker C: I'm happy for them. Happy for Aaron Glenn. I'm happy for that team, for that fan base right now, actually. Like, I don't often. I don't care about the. The jets particularly, but, like, you know, they, they showed up, they played effective. [00:17:34] Speaker B: They won a fun play. [00:17:36] Speaker C: That's kind of cool what they did. [00:17:38] Speaker B: Touchdown to a tight end, wasn't it? [00:17:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Aaron Glenn looked like that's how it felt. Like it was cool. [00:17:45] Speaker C: It was cool. It was like it was a very close, very well executed. But Aaron Glenn was pulling the analytics, the, the great strategic coaching moves, going for two very strategic times to give them the best advantage and everything worked out. So it was a good coaching show, I thought for Aaron Glenn maybe has had some struggles earlier in the season. [00:18:06] Speaker B: A day that the Jets, I think, deserved to win for the recent passing of Mangold. Oh, yes, they had Rex Ryan on cbs. That dude broke down in tears. [00:18:20] Speaker A: Normally who I don't like Rex Ryan is. Normally Rex Ryan is like, rub some dirt on. It was very. Not rub some dirt. [00:18:27] Speaker B: He was very emotional when they were talking to him about it. So I could good on jetsu. [00:18:33] Speaker C: We are bringing the Justin Fields to this episode, are we not? [00:18:37] Speaker B: We are. We are diversifying. Some would say we are talking to. [00:18:41] Speaker A: Wow. Let's go back to some of our roots. Jamie Hussle writes in have you guys done anything on the Bills and what's up with their lack of production on the field? Specifically in the air, they rank last in the NFL and throws over 20 yards. [00:18:57] Speaker C: What. [00:18:57] Speaker A: What, what do you make of that? [00:18:59] Speaker B: It's because they don't really have any star receiver right now. They have a bunch of like wide receiver twos and threes. That's about it. Like, Shakir's good, but he's not a wide receiver. 1. Kincaid is good, but he's not a wide receiver. [00:19:14] Speaker A: 1. [00:19:15] Speaker B: You know, James Cook is a running back. You can use him as a wide receiver. But again, he's not really a wide receiver. 1. Can you name any of their other guys that he throws to? I don't know if I could off the top of my head. They don't have a wide receiver. 1. And because of that, they have to use different types of, you know, slant routes, short stuff to be able to do anything. So I don't think it's because Josh Allen sucks or anything like that. I just. They don't have anybody to throw to. [00:19:46] Speaker C: I. Yeah, and I think that there are other elements at play, too. For one, their rushing game has been very effective. James Cook has had a great year. Josh Allen has also been rushing quite a lot. [00:19:57] Speaker B: And they say lack of production. Didn't they just like put up a. [00:20:01] Speaker C: 40 burger on the fan base? [00:20:03] Speaker A: Specifically on big plays like Oh, I. [00:20:06] Speaker C: See what you're saying. Yeah, they're not producing a lot of explosive plays, but we've seen examples, we've seen examples of recent other offenses. Chiefs last year, for example, or last couple of years, for example, devise their offense in such a way that is effective, that gets the job done, that gets the wins, but is not explosive and not particularly exciting to watch. And it's okay for teams to kind of like accept that sort of a strategy or just use it purposefully. If it's effective, if it's getting the job done, if it uses the clock more effectively, if they can do it efficiently and consistently, they, they can win games however they want and they are still winning games. So they don't need to live and die by explosive plays. There are a lot of other offenses, there are a lot of teams in the league where the lack of explosion plays, explosive plays would sink them. And the Bills can win games even without those. [00:21:00] Speaker A: Explosive. [00:21:01] Speaker B: I will say I think Bills have a bigger problem than their offense. Their defense sucks. I mean, they. Fine, they had a good game this past weekend against a bad team, but like their defense has been very suspect for the last like several years and I do feel like that is going to be a problem for them. [00:21:21] Speaker C: They just had a key injury this weekend for a top defensive player who will probably miss a little time as well. I'm trying to remember his name. Byron Murphy, maybe. Was that it? [00:21:30] Speaker A: Sure. [00:21:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe sounds about right. [00:21:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I want, I would wonder where the packers rank on that list for somebody that you just described as a bunch of wide receiver twos and wide receiver threes. [00:21:45] Speaker B: You know, I wrote this down. [00:21:46] Speaker A: The common thread that has been the Green Bay packers, but you want to. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Know, I wrote this down. I actually think Tucker Kraft this year in particular is really coming on. Like he has had multiple games that are massive, massive point getter for them. And I have never been very impressed with the Green Bay offense. I, I feel like in recent years it hasn't really been that explosive. I, I don't really feel like it's that dynamic. Like, Josh Jacobs is good, but he's, he's good. I don't feel like he's really done a lot this year. People keep saying Jordan Love is like, oh, he's a great quarterback. I'm like, he's good, he's good quarterback. I'm not. [00:22:38] Speaker C: I think you throw a lot of cold water on them. I'm actually quite imp. [00:22:42] Speaker B: I don't think their offense is anything special though. [00:22:45] Speaker C: I kind of think it is. [00:22:46] Speaker B: I think it is a very strong word here for a team that I just don't think they're doing much offensively. [00:22:52] Speaker C: I. I'd call them a top five offense in this league at this point. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Top five offense. [00:22:58] Speaker C: Yes. [00:22:59] Speaker B: That makes me puke a little bit. [00:23:00] Speaker C: I think all around know if I. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Buy that I would be happy to be proven wrong. I want to say that right now that I'm not saying you're correct or incorrect. I'm just saying I doesn't. [00:23:12] Speaker A: You're not. Not wrong. [00:23:13] Speaker B: When I watch. I guess when I watch them, they do not pass the eye test on that particular. [00:23:19] Speaker C: Did you watch the fourth quarter last night though? [00:23:22] Speaker B: I mean. Yes, I watched the fourth quarter. Congrats. You got. We can talk about that later if you want there. I have some issues with some of those things, but I. I just haven't been that impressed. The only offensive piece that I have been impressed with is Tucker Kraft. [00:23:40] Speaker C: He's very good. [00:23:41] Speaker B: He's extremely good. I. I would argue he's probably the best tight end playing right now. [00:23:47] Speaker C: I would agree with that. [00:23:48] Speaker B: I think the way he is playing this year in particular, he is proving like he is not. He's always been a good tight end but he is definitely taking it to the next level this year. I will give him. I will give them that. He is playing very good. Tight ends are just hard to deal with sometimes too because of how big they are. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Sometimes they're hard to predict too. Like if the body is going to be somebody that's going to convert to an NFL team. [00:24:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Think of Kyle Pitts. Yeah. And he's played pretty well this year comparatively to years in past. Especially when Kirk Cousins isn't throwing in the ball. I did just hear back that the packers right now are bottom half of the league in terms of passes over 20 yards. So. [00:24:30] Speaker B: So I'm not completely wrong with Jordan. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Love has as an offense fifth most answer than of quarter for quarterbacks. [00:24:37] Speaker C: He has the fifth most in the NFL of pass of completions 20 yards or greater. So I don't know why he is coming up these bottom half. But yeah, this year this sounds like only Stafford, Drake, May Baker and Darnold have more. [00:24:53] Speaker B: It sounds like more research needs to be done into the packers offense whether they're actually a top five offense or not. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Wow. [00:25:01] Speaker C: I could show you the numbers that suggest that they're pretty elite getting those sheets guys. [00:25:05] Speaker B: Elite. [00:25:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:07] Speaker B: Wow. [00:25:07] Speaker C: Yeah, they're an effective. [00:25:12] Speaker B: There is a difference though. [00:25:13] Speaker A: Joe Flacco isn't just effective. All right. [00:25:16] Speaker B: There is a difference, though, between effective and elite. We just talked about how the Bills have an effective offense right now. So I just. I'll be happy again. I'll be happy to. Proven wrong. I'm just not. They don't pass. I actually find if I'm going to talk about the packers and what I feel like is the most impressive part of that team, it's their defense, their defenses. [00:25:39] Speaker A: Wait, hold on. Let me check if they're on your fantasy team, too. [00:25:43] Speaker B: I have multiple players of the packers on my fantasy team, actually, so I do tend to actually pay more attention to them because of that, by the way. And Josh, Jake. That's how I actually know that Josh Jacobs is middling right now, because he's very middling for me. He's fine. He's fine. He's a good running back. Top five running back. [00:26:07] Speaker C: Yes. Yes, he is. [00:26:10] Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. [00:26:13] Speaker A: Is middling or is he mid. Like he bothers people? I feel like that's middling. [00:26:20] Speaker B: That sounds meddling. [00:26:22] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Thank you. I'm happy to be proven wrong right there. What about wheelbarrow? Wheelbarrow. Coupon or coupon? [00:26:33] Speaker B: Okay. Next week we'll revisit the sheets. Okay, Packers. [00:26:38] Speaker C: Okay. If you want to do that. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Like, I. I'm happy to do kind of. I'm honestly, I'm happy to do that. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Because I'm homework for Ian right now. Assign the teacher homework. Okay. [00:26:49] Speaker C: Here's your homework. [00:26:51] Speaker B: I'll look into it as well as you, though. I'm not. And I. I want to be clear. I'm not trying to say, like, I don't want to go out and trying to prove that they're bad. [00:27:01] Speaker C: We can be objective here. Do we come to the same conclusion next week? Let's find out. [00:27:04] Speaker B: And that's fine. I want to find out next week. My legitimate take was that I don't actually know the eye test suggested. I don't think feel they are, but I'm happy to be proven wrong. That's all. That's all I'm saying. [00:27:18] Speaker C: Right. [00:27:18] Speaker A: Speaking of previous takes, Eric Gio writes in my preseason podcast, call has been proven correctly that I said Jonathan Taylor was the second best back in the league. I think most would agree that Saquon is number one. But who are the guys that fill out the rest of the top five for you? And not. Not just talking fantasy points here either. Barkley, Taylor, Gibbs, McCaffrey, Jacobs. We're not seeing Derrick Henry on there. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I would have probably put Derek Henry before Jacobs. Hence why Josh Jacobs is not top five. [00:27:54] Speaker C: Only Jonathan Taylor has more rushing touchdowns than Josh Jacobs. [00:27:58] Speaker B: I would say Taylor I actually think is having a better year than any of them. Why are we putting Saquon at number one then? It should be Taylor. Sig one is actually having a. Oh, not a great year. [00:28:11] Speaker A: I think that gets to more of a philosophical discussion of who's a better running back and who's had a better year. Are those similar questions? [00:28:20] Speaker B: I don't. I mean, it depends on how you want to look at it. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Or am I just doing semantics? [00:28:24] Speaker B: It kind of feels like semantics. He. I'm not saying you're wrong, though. I know it kind of depends on how you want to view it in a box because you look at Saquon and I think most people would agree he's probably the better running back because he's got the pedigree to back it up. But that doesn't necessarily mean this for Derrick Henry. Correct. You could, but that doesn't necessarily mean that this year he is the better running back. [00:28:49] Speaker A: Sure. [00:28:50] Speaker B: And so this year I think it's very obviously Jonathan Taylor. [00:28:54] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Like he is clearly having a baller year. Some are already arguing MVP level type of year. At some point running back is going to win this award, Right? At some point, I feel like it's going to happen. [00:29:09] Speaker C: Right? Yeah. They're stacking wins, so he's got to be in the conversation. [00:29:14] Speaker B: I'd have to. Again, I haven't done a lot of number like looking at stats this year, so I don't know where Gibbs falls in this, but Gibbs passes the eye test as like at least a top three. I would probably go Taylor, probably Gibbs, then Barkley if I had to go in order. And then maybe McCaffrey, maybe Jacobs. I don't know. Maybe Jacobs or Henry. [00:29:41] Speaker C: Yeah, we're not mentioning Bijan here in this conversation. McCaffrey has got really like more touches than any other player in the league. [00:29:50] Speaker B: Because currently McCaffrey is being asked to carry that Niners team right now. [00:29:54] Speaker C: It's. It's crazy. He has the second most receptions in the NFL after Jamar. [00:29:59] Speaker B: He is their only weapon over there right now. The half of that team is injured. They got. They got KD back. But like, who. Wait, whatever happened to Iuk, by the way? Yeah, he signed a question. [00:30:16] Speaker C: What happened to that guy? [00:30:17] Speaker B: He signed a huge contract over there to stay with him. And then I feel like he was. [00:30:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I Don't know. [00:30:23] Speaker A: We don't have a commission report to the show for the sound effects. Let it be known on the bingo card. It's funny to Google. I, I like Googling, but you know, people say I looked it up on Google hi gbt. Like that's what I do now. [00:30:38] Speaker C: Okay. [00:30:38] Speaker A: And I did the top 10 because some of these names aren't even in their top five. So. Okay, I'm gonna give you their top ten and just you see where they, they land. Number one, Saquon. Number two, Derek Henry. Number three, Jameer Gibbs. [00:30:51] Speaker C: This is just last year. It's looking at last year data. [00:30:55] Speaker A: Oh, is it? [00:30:55] Speaker C: That's what. That would be the ranking so far of last year. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Well, I don't know if that's true because number four, Bijan and number five, McCaffrey. So McCaffrey injured all last year. [00:31:06] Speaker B: Yeah, but they don't even have Taylor in the top five. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Josh Jacobs, number six. Number seven, Devon A. Chain. [00:31:11] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Eight, Jonathan Taylor. [00:31:15] Speaker C: Okay. [00:31:15] Speaker A: Nine, Bucky Irving. And ten, James Cook. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Deserves a little shine. [00:31:23] Speaker B: You were just singing his praises. [00:31:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, apparently. [00:31:27] Speaker B: And actually the way that Jake Cooks has been playing, you probably feel like I'd want to put him pretty close to number five. That number five slot feels more debatable. [00:31:38] Speaker A: I think everyone's oldest time, right? I know the number five and a top five. [00:31:44] Speaker B: I feel like the top four. Most people are good quarterbacks. Yeah. Like could feel. [00:31:50] Speaker A: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. Okay, Herbert, it's your five. [00:31:54] Speaker B: Are you kidding me? [00:31:55] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right. Quarterback Nation. Don't. I feel like if we could argue about top fives for other things, just in your normal day to day life, like top five science questions, like you'd have a lot more interesting questions in your class. So I guess that's a good way to answer your top five question. G. Speaking of the Colts, Tim DeWitt writes in. Are the Colts for real? Guys, we've had probably four weeks of saying, well, if they win this week, I, I would say that they're for real. And they're three and one in those games. I went back and looked. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Right, so here's the thing. [00:32:36] Speaker C: You're gonna bring up their schedule. Let's recap it real quick. They beat, they blew out the Dolphins in Week 1. Week 2, they beat the Broncos by a Week 1, beat the Broncos by a point. In Week 2, they beat the Tennessee Titans by 21 points. In Week 3, they lost to the Rams by a touchdown. In week four, they destroyed the Raiders in week five. They beat the Cardinals by four points in week six. They beat the Chargers by 14 points in week seven. And this week they beat the Titans by a lot. [00:33:03] Speaker A: Their most impressive win would be who? [00:33:05] Speaker C: The Chargers. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Probably the Broncos. [00:33:08] Speaker C: Or the Broncos. [00:33:09] Speaker B: I mean, those two teams are so comparable. To me, I wouldn't know. This is the thing. Are the Colts good? Yes, clearly the Colts are good. They're 7 and 1. Their offense is humming. Their defense sounds like it's pretty good. [00:33:22] Speaker C: I'm not going to criticize any team for stacking wins in the NFL. Every. Every game is hard. There's no gimmes. [00:33:28] Speaker B: You get to 7 and 1, you clearly have a good team. I guess where I'm like, with the Colts, I hate when we start crowning the best team in football. And this has like been. The media is doing this with the Colts like they're the best team. There's. No one is better than the Colts right now. Right, Right, right, right. [00:33:46] Speaker C: We've been through that. We've seen this. This isn't our first season watching. [00:33:49] Speaker B: And I hate that because I'm watching this and I'm like, when was the. They didn't even get to the playoffs last year. I'm sorry. This team is not the best team in football right now. You're not going to convince me of that yet until they are in the AFC Champions, until they're in the Super Bowl. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:34:05] Speaker B: I am not going to buy that. I'm not. [00:34:07] Speaker C: I could buy some stock if I had a signature win. [00:34:11] Speaker A: They have to get all the way to the Super Bowl. [00:34:13] Speaker C: No, they don't have to go to the Super Bowl. For me, there's a handful. There's probably five teams enter the season saying they're in the super bowl contender tier. Be one of those teams. Be one. And I will start to actually think, okay, you can play with the big boy. They play the Chiefs in a few weeks. Beat the Chiefs. [00:34:33] Speaker B: That's. And that's the game that I'm like. I feel like by the time we get to there, we're going to have a much better idea whether we really think the Colts are the real deal or not. [00:34:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Because what it feels like is I'm watching a team get overhyped beyond belief when all they've really done is five of their wins are against five. Four of the worst teams in the football right now. [00:35:01] Speaker C: Right. [00:35:02] Speaker B: They're. The Miami Dolphins is an absolute hot mess. Tennessee has one freaking win. [00:35:10] Speaker C: Right? [00:35:10] Speaker B: They suck. [00:35:11] Speaker C: The Raiders are terrible. [00:35:13] Speaker B: They suck. [00:35:14] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Here we are. Here we are. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Again, the Raiders suck. [00:35:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:20] Speaker B: And who is it? Who is there? Another one of their wins. [00:35:22] Speaker C: The Cardinals say it just like they're suck. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:35:30] Speaker C: Okay. That's the best critique of the Colts. It's like, okay, you're putting up monster numbers, you're blowing out these teams, but they're on your whole schedule this season. You will only play. The Colts will only play one team that I put in the super bowl contention category, and that's four weeks from now. They play the Chiefs. That's the only team they play this season. That's top tier. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Correct. And that's where I struggle with like crowning them right now because I'm just. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Like, oh, you crown all right. [00:35:57] Speaker B: I just. I just have a hard time because I'm like, you are benefiting from you sucking last year to. They are. They're benefiting from a very easy schedule and a very weak division. Their division sucks. [00:36:12] Speaker A: Now, would you say the same thing about them if, I don't know, you maybe predicted them to make the playoffs? No. [00:36:22] Speaker B: The Patriots go back. What did I say about the Patriots? [00:36:26] Speaker C: Wait, it was you who were behind the Colts in the off season? [00:36:28] Speaker B: I said, hold on, I want to go back to this because misremember what I said about the Patriots. I said, I think the Patriots are going to get into the playoffs because they're going to benefit from an easy schedule. I'm just saying, like, you have teams in the AFC right now, which is wide open because the top is like a hot mess. Like the. The Chiefs are finally starting to hit their groove. [00:36:54] Speaker C: Right? [00:36:55] Speaker B: The Ravens. You know, you get Lamar back, you never know what they're going to do. They might go on an absolute tear because they did that last year when their team looked like they were a hot mess for a second. So you never know with the Ravens. And I think their schedule actually gets pretty favorable for them. So I actually wouldn't discount the Ravens just yet. Even though they're 2 and 5. The Bills are a feisty team. Like those three teams, those are top tier teams to me. I would probably still take those three teams, assuming health. Like if we assume Lamar's in there, I would still take the Ravens over the Colts. [00:37:31] Speaker C: Right. [00:37:32] Speaker B: So I'm not. And that's because they can back it up. I've seen it. I've watched it. I've watched them playing big games. I've watched them beat bad teams. I've watched them beat good teams. I know what I'm getting with those teams with the Colts. All I know is I'm getting an above average team that can beat average teams. Right. They can be, to be fair, not. [00:37:55] Speaker C: Just beat them, but they're. They're crushing their opponents quite consistently. Like, these are decisive wins and that counts for something in this league. [00:38:05] Speaker B: That's why I'm not gonna, like, write them. I'm not writing them off. They're. I'm not saying, like, oh, no, they don't have a shot. They're not going to be in the AFC championship game. I could see them being in the AFC championship game 100. I could see. [00:38:16] Speaker C: I could see them earning the 1 seed in the AFC and getting a first round buy because of their schedule. [00:38:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:22] Speaker B: Like, that's how the game. That's how it goes. [00:38:24] Speaker C: That's right. And that puts a lot of things in your favor. [00:38:27] Speaker B: But this really feels like, when I'm watching them, it feels very reminiscent a little bit of the commanders from last year. [00:38:38] Speaker A: I was going to even say the Texans two years before that, and I. [00:38:41] Speaker C: Was going to say the Steelers three or four years before that. [00:38:43] Speaker B: And I was actually also going to include the Lions in this conversation as well. [00:38:47] Speaker C: Vikings last. [00:38:48] Speaker B: When they went to. When the Lions went to the NFC championship game, when the commanders did it, they had easy schedules. And so sometimes you can ride into that position because you're benefiting off of an easier schedule. And then look at the commanders right now. They're. They're just like, whatever. Like, they're not anything special like they were last year. The Texans are terrible. Like, you just do. I'm not ready to crown a team. People love doing this because it's like the Colts. They're new, they're different, they're exciting. Let's crown them the best team in football because it's not the Chiefs. [00:39:26] Speaker C: I like the variety. I'm delighted when there are surprise standout teams. It makes it fun. [00:39:31] Speaker B: It does make it fun. But it's also disingenuous to call them the best. [00:39:35] Speaker C: This would be a very dull sport if we just got the same thing every year. [00:39:38] Speaker B: We don't want that, but we ultimately do get. [00:39:42] Speaker A: You want us to talk about the same thing? [00:39:44] Speaker B: I say we have to talk about the same thing. We're not talking about the same thing right now. I'm just saying the reality. [00:39:50] Speaker C: Practice, man. [00:39:51] Speaker B: The reality is very different than what people want to paint the picture out to be. [00:39:57] Speaker C: I want to get to this Justin question. [00:39:59] Speaker A: Justin Matson. Let's talk about something that's a little different than what's in our neck of the woods. Justin Matson says the soft benching rumors of just of JJ McCarthy are BS. High ankle sprain recovery is six weeks. JJ is back and he's ready. And I'm walking into Ford Field with excitement of Thanksgiving morning. No left tackle, no wide receiver. Two good. Great question mark. Atlanta defense that's didn't age that well after the game. He won his premier game at Chicago. J.J. is ready to go and will be a good pro. I still think JJ was awesome at extending plays at Michigan and that he has a live arm. I'm glad that his arm is alive. I refuse to shut the door on Baker Mayfield and I was so stinking right about that. I have the same confidence in JJ and it's unfair to call him awful after two games. Sample size. [00:40:56] Speaker C: I love this. [00:40:57] Speaker A: Okay. Because we just talked about choking with a small sample size a few weeks ago. Being a choker with a small game sample with a small sample size of games. So I figured this would be up your alley. Hit me with it, Kyle. [00:41:12] Speaker C: I'm just delighted that, that Justin is. Is bought in and has this, like, sense of optimism about the player that his team is investing in and sees a future and that Justin sees it. You know, I can kind of see it too, you know, if I squint and look and I believe that it's there. I believe that JJ looks to me like the kind of player that you give them time and they will become a competent starting quarterback with consistency. Like there's. It takes a little bit of time. We've seen a lot of examples in the NFL of, like, players who kind of found their stride after a few seasons and. And too many. Too many, I think tales of quarterbacks who just didn't get enough time to develop before they were given up on for sure. And I think that I'm hopeful that the Vikings give him that full chance, like a whole season. Give him the rest of the season after he's back. I don't really care if it's a struggle and you lose a lot of games. Start him again next year and keep pushing. Give him a fair chance and I think he will really become competent. And I'm just delighted that Justin, who can be pessimistic, I mean, I hope he doesn't take that. But he's a believer. [00:42:22] Speaker A: He is a Vikings fan. Yes, like that. So when you say pessimistic, he's been through the ringer. [00:42:29] Speaker C: Yes, of course. Of course it's true. But he sees this and he believes and he wants. And he's defending a Player here. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Are you guys at that. That he's had a hard fandom? [00:42:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:42:41] Speaker A: Oh, we're gonna have to have a. [00:42:43] Speaker B: Sad off between you two when you go 016. [00:42:48] Speaker C: Please. [00:42:49] Speaker B: Immediately won that conversation. So shut the door on that. Done. [00:42:53] Speaker A: I'm glad you only shut the door. [00:42:55] Speaker C: Okay. [00:42:56] Speaker B: The. I'm actually surprised that this is what Justin Manson wants to talk about with the Vikings. He should be more pissed off at his head coach. Really? 100%. He was putting in a banged up Carson Wentz out there throwing. Did you watch any of that? [00:43:10] Speaker C: It did look really bad. Did you see this Carson wince on the field? [00:43:15] Speaker B: It was bad. You have. You should actually. This is like player safety type thing. I'm actually serious. That is one of those things where you see a player out there physically in pain. He was in pain. He was on the sideline wincing. [00:43:31] Speaker C: We all saw it. Literally clean as day, Carson wins. [00:43:34] Speaker B: Literally crying like no joke. This dude was hurt out there. And lo and behold, he's out. He's done. He's having season ending surgery on that shoulder. He should have never been in that game for as long as he was. And the fact that that's. That we want to talk about jj. Fine. Jj. What happens if he gets hurt again? Is that coach going to march him out there? Because we got to win a football game. Who else am I going to put out there? [00:44:02] Speaker C: They're not going to. They weren't even very competitive in that game. [00:44:05] Speaker B: That. That is one of those things where someone should be investigated for like misconduct. That's like a serious thing. And at some point a coach needs to actually take ownership of what is happening to one of his players and say, look man, you're not playing good. You're hurt. For your own safety, we need to sit you. This isn't good for you. And they kept marching his ass out there. It was infuriating. It was awful. And I have never been more disappointed by something like that than I'm watching when I'm watching a player literally break on tv. That's like the Dolphins knowingly throwing Tua Tungavailoa out there. Even though that dude has been through the ringer with his head. You feel that. You know that that's awful. And that's if there's one reason why Mike McDaniel and that organization should fire him, it's for doing that and excusing it. And so I found that infuriating that I'm watching this player get hurt and he's still going out there and good luck with your franchise quarterback there, Matson? Because if something ever happens to him, are you. Are you feeling comfortable? Honest question, are you feeling comfortable that your head coach is going to actually take care of his. That player? [00:45:22] Speaker A: You got to think he's done the opposite with jj. Everything that you're saying he's done the opposite for. He's kind of went about. [00:45:27] Speaker B: Because it's like his. This is my future. Right. So I'm going to take care of this guy. But what happens. [00:45:33] Speaker A: I mean, he did push out with Sam Darnold last year when he was. [00:45:37] Speaker B: But did he ever once think Sam Darnold was the future? The moment Sam Darnold had two bad games in a row, despite the season he put together gone. And they knew he was gone. They didn't even try to throw like and toy with the idea of Sam Darnold. He knew Kevin o' Connell knew who his franchise quarterback was going to be. It was going to be jj. And so all of his thought process, if you think about it that way, none of that surprises me. [00:46:03] Speaker A: So you know how Ian has his. To be fair thing, like, I kind of want a sounder of like, when I talk out of both sides of my mouth, like something like that. Because jj, like, didn't. Wasn't allowed to basically pass for an entire half again. [00:46:20] Speaker C: You bring that up all the time. You bring it up all the time. [00:46:23] Speaker A: Good on the bingo board. But I'm gonna go against it and say I'm picking JJ and the Vikings as my upset of the week this week over the Lions. I told Justin that I would ride with him, and I'm taking them as an early prediction as my upset pick. You get a little preview of our pick. [00:46:38] Speaker B: What does that have to do with anything? We were just talking about. [00:46:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. [00:46:41] Speaker A: I just wanted to let you know. [00:46:43] Speaker C: Like, trying to go back. [00:46:44] Speaker A: I'm trying to go up to. Back to our question about jj because, you know, we're not. We weren't talking about. [00:46:52] Speaker B: But that's like my point. Like, okay, you cool? You have a great franchise player that you're really excited about, or do you trust your quarter, your. Your coach, your staff to take care of him? And yeah, maybe they have so far. But what happens if, you know, it starts to question that a little bit? Yeah, I mean, clearly it's obvious to me that the way that that team approached a player that they don't view as like a key figure, they. They viewed and the way they used him irresponsibly, very different. [00:47:24] Speaker A: I can Say the same thing about Bruce Arians with Antonio Brown. [00:47:29] Speaker B: What. In what way? [00:47:30] Speaker A: Antonio Brown was injured, was told to go back into the game, said, I'm injured. He said, then get off the. And then get off the F in field. Like, then get off my sideline and that sure, you can happen. So, I mean, I'm not going to disagree with that. I'm more just saying that like I think in, in the NFL, I don't think it's as obvious when people are hurt because of different, whether it's substances that they're taking before this one was. [00:47:55] Speaker B: Obvious as it gets here. [00:47:56] Speaker C: No, I know. [00:47:57] Speaker A: I'm saying his is obvious. That's the no brainer. No, like, duh, you can't judge a concussion, you know, as easy as we think we can. But I'm just more saying that like, I think that a lot of players are injured and some of them are covering it up a lot better than others. And that's why this conversation about like negligence of a coach in an organization that put people in, it's not done as much. Do I think that it looked awful, it was a bad look on the NFL as a whole? Absolutely. I think a fan of just the NFL is watching that. They're like, whoa, flag on the field. What's going on over there? [00:48:31] Speaker B: 100%. And that's just my only. I just, I feel like we've seen great players suffer long term. RG3 is a perfect example of this. Just like we have seen players suffer from their coach, which is it's their job to protect the player ultimately sometimes from themselves, because those players want to go out there in part and especially for a guy like Carson Wentz feels like I need to go out there, I need to show that I can still play this game and I need to earn that check and I need to hopefully find my way back out here with a different team. I need to do that. And sometimes it's a coach's job to actually say no. What you need to do is take care of your body. [00:49:21] Speaker A: Sure. That's fair. That's fair. Our last questions come from Tim DeWitt. We're just going to run through these. Whose lines? RB1. Is there a big question around Lions community of if Jameer Gibbs. [00:49:34] Speaker C: No, it's Gibbs. [00:49:35] Speaker B: It's Gibbs right now. [00:49:35] Speaker C: Next question. [00:49:36] Speaker B: Montgomery is having. [00:49:37] Speaker C: Respectfully. [00:49:38] Speaker B: So Montgomery's is having a slow start. [00:49:41] Speaker A: All right, let's not do next question on this one. You ready for it? What's going on with the Raiders, Kyle? Pete Carroll should have them In a better spot. [00:49:50] Speaker C: I'm a little confused by what is going on with that organization because there was a lot of people. Tom Brady get involved with his organization like surprisingly actively as a part owner. Bringing in this veteran coach who has just like always been a winner everywhere he's gone. She should have been a floor raiser. Bringing in veteran quarterback. Best tight end in the. In. In the game. Wide receiver talent. One of the best edge rushers in the game. Like at least drafting the touted running back in in the first round. [00:50:21] Speaker A: A lot of Flash. [00:50:22] Speaker C: A lot of things going that look like they should have been going right this year. It's quite confusing to see them as abysmal as they are and watched a handful of Raiders games and what I see is like one of the most useless defenses out there. A period graceful excuse for an offensive line. Quarterback play suffered dramatically. A big drop off from last year. Yeah. Kind of surprising. I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe a different team. No chemistry with those receivers. Brock Bowers has missed some time. I think Jacoby Myers just list some time. Having an offensive line kind of helps. I think Ashton Gentle has done an admirable job. Like his numbers of like yards after contact are some of the best in the league. But still like you have to have some blocking in order for you to gain some yards. Even if you're one of the best backs. And he could still have a great career ahead of him in the NFL and prove to be one of the better backs. But you gotta have a line you got. You gotta have one. [00:51:24] Speaker A: You're right. Yep. [00:51:25] Speaker C: So anyway, this is just a disappointing. [00:51:27] Speaker A: Team out of this. [00:51:29] Speaker C: I'm not even quite sure. It seems like a mess all around. [00:51:32] Speaker B: They're not this year. [00:51:33] Speaker C: That doesn't seem to be good vibes. [00:51:34] Speaker B: They need to find their Penne Sewell is what they need. [00:51:37] Speaker C: They do. There doesn't seem to be a lot of promise. There's like trade rumors about Max Crosby and stuff. Like what are they even holding their hat? [00:51:45] Speaker B: This is. This is actually. This is the thing that I. More organizations actually do need to take the cue from. What the lines did in their rebuild is they didn't really go for Flash right away. They went into the trenches first and they built that up first. And then it was only until then later that they got the Flash with Gibbs. [00:52:09] Speaker C: Right. [00:52:10] Speaker B: Barry Allen and even. Don't forget when they got. I'm gonna ignore you. It wasn't. And don't forget when they got St. Brown, that was not considered flashy. That was a mid round pick that was kind of an afterthought by a lot of people. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Famously, like how many receivers were taken ahead of him. Yeah. [00:52:31] Speaker B: And it was like obviously the. The Lions knew who they were getting. They knew they had the. What they were getting was sparkly and new and shiny and gonna be great. But obviously the. The Raiders had an opportunity to go into the trenches and instead they went with the flashy running back who can't do anything because they didn't go for the trenches first. [00:52:53] Speaker C: I think that's a big part of it. There is a contrast between like a lot of veteran involvement in the rages. Surprisingly like, you know, this old same owner. You know, I don't think they have a new gm. You know, obviously Tom Brady, veteran, like getting involved in the mix and the oldest coach in the league now is brought in very much a veteran and a veteran quarterback and a veteran edge. [00:53:15] Speaker A: And some might say a really old quarterback. [00:53:18] Speaker C: 35 is pretty old. I'm pretty sure that's how he. Old. That's old. He is who. [00:53:22] Speaker B: His best seasons were just, you know, good, you know, but hey, pretty good. [00:53:27] Speaker C: Hey, pretty good. [00:53:28] Speaker A: Pretty good. [00:53:29] Speaker C: Pretty darn good. [00:53:30] Speaker B: Pretty darn good. [00:53:31] Speaker C: First starting year behind pretty darn good. [00:53:34] Speaker B: Seasons were pretty darn good. [00:53:37] Speaker C: But like, you know, more of you. [00:53:40] Speaker A: I don't. [00:53:40] Speaker C: I'll take that. This is a lot of Raiders talk, but it is, it is. I'll grant that it's kind of perplexing to see that they've fallen this far when there was a lot of reason for optimism over the season. [00:53:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:53:53] Speaker B: I thought. [00:53:53] Speaker C: And the Lions are the contrast because new all around, new ownership control, new gm, first time hedge coach, first time oc, first time DC New players and a lot of new talent building through the draft. [00:54:09] Speaker B: They're really good example of recent years of just a team really building it patiently. [00:54:16] Speaker C: I'll grant. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:18] Speaker C: About doing the right things over time, establish that winning culture, get the right guys in the building. [00:54:24] Speaker B: So it's important for teams like the Titans and the Saints. [00:54:28] Speaker C: Oh, right. [00:54:29] Speaker B: And Titans like roof, you know, like. [00:54:32] Speaker A: You want to have those glimpses though. And that's what every team I think aspires to have is a glimpse. [00:54:37] Speaker B: And you want to know what team has some pretty good glimpses? The Giants. [00:54:43] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Okay, sure. [00:54:44] Speaker B: I think Jackson Dart has looked really good. Scatterboo. [00:54:49] Speaker A: There's a great. There's a great meme that I sent Kyle yesterday of Cedric Diggory's dad finding Cedric Diggory killed after the Harry One of the Harry Potter boys. [00:55:00] Speaker B: That's my boy. [00:55:01] Speaker A: And it's Jackson Dark going to Cam Scat. Boo. After he said, that's my son. [00:55:07] Speaker B: I regrettably watched that happen. So I saw his foot bad. It was all. It's like the thing where you're kind of like, oh, no, that doesn't look right. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Classic NFL injuries too. [00:55:18] Speaker C: Awful. [00:55:18] Speaker B: Awful. So. But like, that's a team that's got a lot of just really fun, good pieces that you're, like, excited about. [00:55:28] Speaker C: Yeah. We forget how good Malik Neighbors is. He's been out for all this time. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Imagine when they get a new head coach, how much better that team. [00:55:35] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:55:37] Speaker B: So I like. That's just a really good team that I think, like, if I'm a Giants fan, I think the past. This past several games has really got me excited for next year. [00:55:48] Speaker A: And no Malik Neighbors in there too, so. Right. [00:55:51] Speaker B: Can we before we kind of move on? [00:55:53] Speaker A: Because we have one more question from Tim DeWitt. Too clear. Who's your clear front runner for MVP? If I just made you click right now, click your answer. Lock it in. [00:56:02] Speaker B: Jonathan Taylor. [00:56:03] Speaker C: Pat Mahomes. [00:56:04] Speaker A: Pat Mahomes for me too. [00:56:05] Speaker B: Yeah. He's been all right. He's been like, good. He's been probably the most. What about Daniel Jones? [00:56:11] Speaker A: Is he pretty darn good? [00:56:16] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty good. [00:56:17] Speaker C: I think that there's a. Interesting number of guys who are still in the hunt for that. It's still. It's not. It's not like a two horse race or anything. I. I think there's easily a half dozen guys who could have a strong second half of the season. [00:56:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:30] Speaker C: And are very much in the conversation. [00:56:31] Speaker B: It doesn't feel like there's a front runner right now. To me, I feel like it's very up in the air. Something we're gonna keep an eye on always. This is like, oh, this is how it always goes at this point. [00:56:40] Speaker C: So. [00:56:41] Speaker B: But I just kind of wanted to mention the other, like, very triggering thing. I was watching the Giants and the Eagles play this game. [00:56:51] Speaker C: Okay. [00:56:52] Speaker B: I have no investment in this other than having Scatter Boo on my fantasy team. [00:56:56] Speaker C: Right, right, right. [00:56:56] Speaker B: I really had no investment in this game. I. I even picked the Eagles to win this. So I really didn't care how this played out. [00:57:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:05] Speaker B: I was on my feet yelling at my tv. I believe you were audibly yelling in frustration at that tush push. [00:57:17] Speaker A: Ian and I, or Kyle and I were together at Pally's yesterday as you were sending us these text messages that were going like, I mean, it was. I've never, ever seen you text the way you texted. [00:57:31] Speaker B: I was irate. [00:57:32] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what. [00:57:33] Speaker A: Effing Fumble challenge. Why is he not. What? No, no. [00:57:36] Speaker B: FT dress. [00:57:37] Speaker A: It's not a turnover. Unbelievable. If you can't have ref officiate and play correctly, they need to get rid of it. But that ball was ripped out of his hands. I don't even care if the Eagles are my pick. That was a BS Call. [00:57:50] Speaker B: It was. [00:57:50] Speaker C: I'm just looking at my phone going, what is happening right now? [00:57:52] Speaker A: Did you at least. There was a bad call. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Did you watch the replay? Like, it's bad. [00:57:57] Speaker A: It was a bad call. [00:57:58] Speaker B: It wasn't even a bad call. It was one of the worst calls I've seen. It was so blatantly like he reaches over. Was that ditto? [00:58:09] Speaker C: Is that how you say Thibodeau? [00:58:10] Speaker B: Thibodeau rips a ball out of. Hurts his hands. They blow it dead after the fact. Which you could argue that he shouldn't have even done that because live ball. It was a live ball. [00:58:21] Speaker C: Okay. [00:58:23] Speaker B: And they blow the play dead. And then they argue. No, he was stopped by forward progress. And it's like, you did not blow the whistle. You can't say that. You can't after the fact call, stop by forward progress and then call it not a fumble. Okay? And they couldn't. He couldn't challenge because they had officially made that ruling despite the fact that that's not how they reft it on the field. It was so egregious. [00:58:55] Speaker A: I think that's my gripe with it, is that it's not officiated well and it's not officiated consistently. So I like to complain about this one specifically. It would be a, like, differentiation for me. [00:59:08] Speaker B: I would love to let it go. Except I also saw another play by the Buccaneers that same day where they intercepted the ball. Not a single whistle was blown. They return it for a pick six after the fact. They say, no, we blew a whistle. The play was dead after the interception or, like, fumble or whatever it specifically was. [00:59:36] Speaker A: Well, like, yeah, it was a big six. [00:59:38] Speaker B: It was a pick six. They took it away because they said, we blew the whistle. You watch the replay. There is no whistle ever. Even the announcers were like, there was no whistle. It was awful. Awful. [00:59:54] Speaker C: There was a whistle. These are not the droids you're looking for. [00:59:57] Speaker B: And I would love to say that that was the last play of the day that I was, like, irate about with the officials. [01:00:05] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. [01:00:06] Speaker A: It's a very angry day for you. [01:00:07] Speaker B: But later that evening, I watched a Packers D line. [01:00:13] Speaker C: Oh, come on. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Cross the line. Well, before that ball was like, it was so obvious. It was so. [01:00:23] Speaker C: It's a missed call. Barely consequential. [01:00:28] Speaker B: And. And all three of these games, by the way, maybe didn't matter because they probably would have won these games anyways. [01:00:37] Speaker C: 5 yards is making a difference. [01:00:38] Speaker B: The Buccaneers won anyways despite that call. The Eagles routed the Giants anyways. Probably didn't make a big difference. Same thing with the Packers. Probably didn't make a big of a difference. [01:00:53] Speaker C: Right. [01:00:54] Speaker B: The problem, though, I have is you are letting people gamble on this game, and if that's how you're going to officiate, you can't. People are putting money on this stuff. And I'm sorry. [01:01:08] Speaker C: True. [01:01:08] Speaker B: But when I'm watching this kind of stuff, that's the kind of thing where I'm like, you know, someday I'm not going to be surprised if I hear of some big betting scandal here with the refs. [01:01:20] Speaker A: I'm not the NFL one or the NBA one is. [01:01:23] Speaker C: Oh, that's wild, dude. [01:01:26] Speaker B: So it's just like you can't. [01:01:29] Speaker A: The free throw after. We could discuss that. [01:01:31] Speaker B: And I did read that under Roger Goodell, more rules have been put in place in the NFL than like any other time frame. And almost all of them are beneficial for the offense to score more points. [01:01:44] Speaker A: Yeah, Specifically quarterbacks. [01:01:46] Speaker B: But as a result, the rule book has become so convoluted and so like, vague that from one game to the next, it's. It's a crapshoot on how the penalties are going to fly. And in part, like, what I was reading was basically saying, like, it's not always the ref's fault for how convoluted this is. And I understand that. But, man, this is. I don't like ever feeling like penalties are something that we have to talk about because you don't want to talk about the refs. But I just feel like it is always such an issue and it should be actually a bigger problem, especially because money is being bet on these games. [01:02:30] Speaker C: Right. [01:02:30] Speaker B: And when these kinds of penalties happen and they decide how a game ends up, that I take issue with that. I really do. And I wasn't like, even invested emotionally in that game. And I was pissed off. [01:02:44] Speaker A: You got emotional by the end of. [01:02:45] Speaker B: It, but I was pissed off because of just how egregious and how bad that is for the sport. That's bad. And if you can't officiate the Play right, get rid of it. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Just hands down, the Lions voted to keep it. [01:03:01] Speaker C: Amen. [01:03:02] Speaker B: They did. [01:03:03] Speaker C: Amen. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Let's get our weekly segment from you, Kyle. Let's hear what you got. [01:03:08] Speaker C: All right, emotionally, my saggy. I'll Be Dry's real name. No gimmicks. Okay? Packers tight end goes around the outside. My segment is called Guess who's back? [01:03:24] Speaker A: The Jets. [01:03:25] Speaker C: That's. You could say. If you want to argue, they've arrived, that's one thing. But they're not back because they weren't here before. So anyway, we've created a monster because nobody wants to hear Marshall no more Kyle. He's chopped liver. I'm sorry. I had to. Anyway, so I made up a game. We're calling it. We're calling it. Yeah, Yeah, I guess. Who's back? That's the point. That's the point. It's a simple game. It's just somebody. I've done some, like, contentious, heady stuff in the past. Really numbersy and hot takey, and I'm taking a break from hot takes for the show. Like just one week. No. [01:04:01] Speaker A: Just want to be happy. [01:04:02] Speaker C: I'm tiring. I'm tired all the time. You know how much I deal with. [01:04:07] Speaker B: We're gonna dive into this, you know. [01:04:10] Speaker C: I don't need to come to the pod and just like, argue. [01:04:13] Speaker A: What? [01:04:15] Speaker C: Just get attacked by anything. [01:04:17] Speaker B: Who are you? [01:04:17] Speaker A: Who attacks you? [01:04:18] Speaker C: So we're just gonna play a simple game. [01:04:20] Speaker A: I like a good game. How about you? You like games? [01:04:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I like games. [01:04:24] Speaker C: A game might even be a stretch. This is just like me asking you guys questions you probably will get wrong. And then I say, haha. You don't know football, Ian. [01:04:30] Speaker A: That's definitely a game, right? It's simple. [01:04:32] Speaker B: It's an actual game. Whether we win or not. [01:04:35] Speaker A: It's not. [01:04:35] Speaker C: It's probably not that fun. This is simple. But I thought of it when, you know, I was sitting on the toilet earlier today. Like, that'd be a good. [01:04:41] Speaker B: Stop being so depressing about the game and just play it. [01:04:44] Speaker C: Okay. [01:04:45] Speaker A: One or two? [01:04:46] Speaker B: I don't want to know. [01:04:53] Speaker A: It's gonna be a two. You know what I mean? [01:04:55] Speaker C: Maybe I sit for both. I don't know. Whoa. I don't. [01:04:58] Speaker A: I don't sit for wipe. [01:05:00] Speaker C: Okay, so the. The game, if I can even call it that, is pretty simple. Like, I'm just gonna. We're looking at the top five in a lot of categories. [01:05:09] Speaker B: We just dived the whole thing. [01:05:11] Speaker C: And I'm looking at the top five through the season. So far in all these given categories and comparing them to the top five at the end of last year, who finished the regular season last year in these categories. And we're just basically guessing a number. You're guessing a number. 0 through 5, how many are back? How many are returning to the top five in this category? Okay, so, you know, if. When I get to. We won't do this one, but when I get to, like, best record, you know, like, who was the top five records last year? How many of those teams from zero to five are in the top five again this time? [01:05:47] Speaker A: Did you do this to show us how dumb we are? [01:05:49] Speaker C: Well, I do do these as like these can. These are to shine a light on interesting things. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Okay. I like it and I'm excited. [01:05:57] Speaker C: The point is much less about whether you get it right or wrong. The point is maybe, I mean, I don't know, how closely do you follow these numbers and stats? [01:06:04] Speaker A: And Kyle doesn't know how games work. It matters if we get it right or wrong. [01:06:10] Speaker C: So I have. Let's see, 1, 2, 3, 6. A bunch. I have a bunch of different numbers that I looked up and compared the 2024, 2025 so far to 24. [01:06:19] Speaker B: So tired of that joke. [01:06:21] Speaker C: I'm going to start at the bottom of my list with sacks. Okay. The top five sack getters. [01:06:29] Speaker B: Five sacks. [01:06:30] Speaker C: Top five. So in this for this very sexy question you have to take at this. [01:06:39] Speaker B: Point in the season, so far in. [01:06:41] Speaker C: The season, how many between zero and five, how many repeats do we have? How many guys finished last year in a top five sack fetcher and are in the top five currently this year? [01:06:53] Speaker A: Again, I'm going to say two. [01:06:55] Speaker C: Your number is two. [01:06:56] Speaker B: Miles is definitely going to be up there. So that's at least one. I don't know about. [01:07:00] Speaker A: T. We didn't talk about Miles Garrett had five sacks yesterday. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually. [01:07:07] Speaker A: And he got mad that he got taken out. [01:07:10] Speaker B: I had him on my list. You know, I don't feel insane. I do not feel bad for that man. You're getting paid 40 million years. You signed up for that. That's all I got to say. [01:07:18] Speaker C: I think that's a good take. You've been there long enough. You should know what you're gonna get. [01:07:21] Speaker B: You knew what you were signing. [01:07:22] Speaker C: You know what? This how this franchise is run. [01:07:24] Speaker B: He signed up for the money. He sign up for. [01:07:27] Speaker C: He'd get the money anywhere. He would get that money anywhere. If he went on the market, everyone would pay him that money. [01:07:34] Speaker B: Trash. [01:07:37] Speaker C: It's a good Take. You're right. You're 100%. I mean, I love him. He's amaz. No, no, no. He's amazing. But your take is totally correct. Like, yeah, you signed up for this, buddy. You could have gone on the market and got that money from anybody. [01:07:49] Speaker B: I'm gonna say. [01:07:52] Speaker A: One. [01:07:53] Speaker C: I have a lot of categories, so you guys are gonna have to give your answers quicker. [01:07:56] Speaker B: I'm gonna say one. [01:07:56] Speaker C: One is correct. This. Miles is the only one. Miles is the only repeat in the. [01:08:00] Speaker B: Top five because Aiden wouldn't have been in there, but I think he is now. [01:08:04] Speaker C: He's not. [01:08:04] Speaker A: It doesn't matter if we get it right. Wow. Doesn't matter if we get it right. [01:08:08] Speaker C: Or wrong for any of these categories by request. You can. You can say, like, who are they? And we can. We can. I'll run through them really quick. But we don't have the top five this year. [01:08:19] Speaker A: Currently. [01:08:20] Speaker C: Currently, Brian Burns is number one. Miles Garrett is second. Byron Young, Nick Bonito, and Rashawn Gary. Yeah. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Never would have. [01:08:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Micah is six. Micah Parsons is six. So two guys, five and six are packers at pass rushers. Okay, let's get to rushing. [01:08:35] Speaker B: You're so cool. [01:08:36] Speaker C: Let's get to the running backs. I've got two. I've got rushing touchdowns and rushing yards. Let's do touchdowns first. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Gotta be some new em. [01:08:43] Speaker C: Got that one right. I'm gonna. I'm gonna write down Ian. Got it right. Yeah. [01:08:46] Speaker A: It doesn't matter if people get it right. [01:08:49] Speaker B: Screw off. [01:08:50] Speaker C: How many returns do we have in the rushing touchdown category? [01:08:54] Speaker A: Start us off this one. [01:08:55] Speaker B: Touchdown category. So I'm trying to. Henry wouldn't. I don't know if Henry would be up there. [01:09:01] Speaker C: You're gonna need to come up faster. You're gonna need to give us a number. It's zero through five. [01:09:04] Speaker B: Two. Two. [01:09:05] Speaker A: I'm going three. [01:09:06] Speaker C: Three is correct. [01:09:07] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:09:08] Speaker C: Three is correct. We have Jameer Gibbs. [01:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:13] Speaker C: Josh Jacobs and James Cook are returns to the top five because I knew. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Taylor would have been up there and he would not have been in there last. [01:09:23] Speaker C: Interesting. The top five this year, their names all start with Jay. So it's Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs, Javante Williams, James Cook, and Jameer Gibbs. [01:09:29] Speaker A: John Jacob Jinglehammer Schmidt. [01:09:31] Speaker C: Basically, it's a good. It's a good day to be. It's a good year to be a running back who starts with Jay. JJ So let's put Marshalls over here. Nailing it with three. All right, Rushing yards. Who has returned to the top five from last year? [01:09:45] Speaker A: Oh, I'm going to start this one and I'm going to go with three. Okay. [01:09:51] Speaker B: I'm thinking. [01:09:53] Speaker C: You got it. [01:09:53] Speaker A: I'm changing it. [01:09:54] Speaker B: One. No, no, no. I can't. [01:09:55] Speaker C: Okay, Marshall changed his answer to 1. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Let's stick with 2. [01:09:59] Speaker C: One is the correct answer. [01:10:00] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:10:01] Speaker C: Nicely done, Marshall. [01:10:03] Speaker B: Just jamir in there. [01:10:05] Speaker C: No. The only return is Jonathan Taylor. Jamira is not top five in rushing yards this year so far. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Take that, Ian. [01:10:12] Speaker C: That's Jonathan Taylor, James Cook, J.K. dobbins, Javante Williams or Eco Dowdle. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Two to one, Dobbins. [01:10:17] Speaker C: Let's go to receiving. We'll start with receiving touchdowns. How many returns do we have? Come on, you gotta just. [01:10:29] Speaker B: No, you can't pressure the speed. You can't pressure the speed. Don't gotta worry about Buffalo. [01:10:33] Speaker A: They don't have any wide receivers. [01:10:34] Speaker B: Remember, I'm gonna say zero. Okay. [01:10:38] Speaker A: I'm going with one. [01:10:39] Speaker C: One is correct. [01:10:40] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [01:10:41] Speaker A: Let's go. I think it's Jamar Chase. [01:10:43] Speaker C: It is. I'm in. Ross St. Brown. [01:10:46] Speaker B: I don't know why. I just. [01:10:46] Speaker C: Jamar Chase is not top five this year. [01:10:49] Speaker A: Turn into like a DC villain. I'm gonna tell you my whole plan and hopefully you don't. [01:10:54] Speaker C: Wait, who just got that right? Was that you? Me? Oh, Marshall, you're a nail in this. That was really good. Yeah. Amir St. Brown finished third last year and he's second this year. And don't call it a coming catches. How many repeats do we have? These are so total catches. [01:11:12] Speaker A: Me top. I'm going to say two. [01:11:14] Speaker C: Two. That's your number. Okay. [01:11:16] Speaker B: Almost a. [01:11:19] Speaker A: Sound it out. [01:11:22] Speaker C: Give me a number. It's one. [01:11:25] Speaker A: No. [01:11:26] Speaker C: Jamar Chase is the only return. Nobody gets it. [01:11:30] Speaker B: Nobody gets. [01:11:31] Speaker C: Nobody gets it. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Give me that. [01:11:32] Speaker C: That's a zero. [01:11:33] Speaker B: I almost went with one, but it just felt like I've been doing. [01:11:35] Speaker C: Chase finished number one last year. He's number one this year. [01:11:37] Speaker A: Too bad you didn't. [01:11:38] Speaker B: I know. [01:11:40] Speaker C: Receiving yards. How many repeats do we have? [01:11:44] Speaker A: Where. I'm going with one. [01:11:45] Speaker B: I'm gonna go two. [01:11:46] Speaker C: Two is correct. [01:11:48] Speaker B: You suck. [01:11:51] Speaker C: It's Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson are in. [01:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:55] Speaker C: Jackson Smith and Jigba is actually the leader in this category so far this year. [01:11:58] Speaker B: Totally the two that I was thinking of. [01:11:59] Speaker A: Do you know when people send the text of just ha. Like, I always think of your laugh. [01:12:05] Speaker B: It's just mine. [01:12:06] Speaker A: Because you don't do haha. You, like, look exactly what you just did. You look up at the sky and then go, was that a Fake laugh, Kyle. That was the fakest laugh I've ever heard in my life. [01:12:19] Speaker C: Well, it was mild amusement. We'll take it. All right. [01:12:21] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:12:22] Speaker B: All right, let's keep going. [01:12:23] Speaker C: Now we're on to quarterbacks. I have six different categories for quarterbacks. We'll get that. We'll get there. We're starting with sacks. Quarterbacks, who have taken the most sacks this year, how many have returned to the top five? [01:12:36] Speaker A: 1. [01:12:41] Speaker C: There's the clicker here. [01:12:44] Speaker B: I can't. Because I can't go one. I'll go two. [01:12:47] Speaker C: Zero. [01:12:47] Speaker A: Oh, I thought you were gonna go zero. [01:12:49] Speaker B: I thought about it. [01:12:51] Speaker C: Nobody. Nobody. [01:12:52] Speaker A: Just felt. So who's our top five there? [01:12:54] Speaker C: Yeah. Last year. I mean, Caleb Williams was sacked 68 times last season. It was insane. But he's not in the top five this year. This year, the top five are. Cam Ward again. The number one pick goes down. The number one pick hits the dirt. So camera. Ken Ward is number one. Drake May is second, then Jalen Hurts, then Justin Fields, then Justin Herbert. [01:13:16] Speaker B: Who cares about his survival? You just gotta get him. [01:13:19] Speaker C: Yeah, those four poor number one quarterbacks, they got drafted by battle line teams, I guess. [01:13:27] Speaker B: Yeah, that would generally correlate because it's a bad team. [01:13:31] Speaker C: Right? Right, right. Go out there and save the franchise, kid. Okay. All right. We can do interceptions. Next. How many repeats do we have? [01:13:41] Speaker B: One. [01:13:45] Speaker C: One is the correct answer. [01:13:47] Speaker A: Oh, more than one, huh? [01:13:51] Speaker C: Only one repeat. [01:13:52] Speaker B: I'm feeling competitive right now. [01:13:54] Speaker C: Let's talk completion percentage. How many repeats do we have? [01:13:58] Speaker A: That sounded so nerdy. You're back to your shoes. [01:14:03] Speaker C: We should talk about completion percentage. [01:14:06] Speaker A: Number 2. Get your pointer finger. Ready? We're talking about Jackson Dirt. [01:14:10] Speaker C: How many reviews do we have? [01:14:12] Speaker B: I'll say two. [01:14:13] Speaker A: One. [01:14:13] Speaker C: One is correct. [01:14:14] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:14:15] Speaker C: The only repeat is Jared Goff, number two, both years. [01:14:18] Speaker A: We should be able to guess who the bonus versus who the one is. And if we get it right, we get a bonus point. [01:14:24] Speaker B: We can start that now, effective immediately. [01:14:26] Speaker A: Thank you. [01:14:27] Speaker C: Next. Passer rating. How many repeats do we have? [01:14:31] Speaker A: One. I'll go two. [01:14:33] Speaker C: Two is correct. [01:14:34] Speaker A: All right, I guess passer rating. I'm gonna say Josh Allen. And my second guess will be. I'll say Jared Goff. [01:14:46] Speaker B: Can I answer now? [01:14:48] Speaker A: No, you didn't get it right. You get to actually. [01:14:51] Speaker C: No, wait. I was wrong, actually, on the number. The number's three. Three is the correct number. Silly me. Silly me. [01:14:58] Speaker B: You got so confident. [01:14:59] Speaker C: What were your guesses? Anyone who. [01:15:01] Speaker A: I can't guess because I got it wrong. [01:15:02] Speaker C: Okay, okay, whatever. [01:15:04] Speaker B: Gosh, I hate this. [01:15:05] Speaker C: But the answers were Lamar, Jared Goff, and Jalen Hurts. [01:15:10] Speaker B: Lamar would have been one of them because he's only played a handful of games. [01:15:14] Speaker C: He's number one last year. Number one this year in pass rating. Jared Goff was number two last year. Number three. [01:15:20] Speaker B: And he's throwing a lot of deep passes from that Bedner couches. [01:15:26] Speaker C: Passing touchdowns. How many repeats? [01:15:30] Speaker B: Passing touchdowns. [01:15:31] Speaker A: With the arms. [01:15:33] Speaker B: With their arms. [01:15:35] Speaker A: Yeah. That's how they throw it typically. [01:15:40] Speaker B: I'll say one. [01:15:44] Speaker A: I'm gonna go three. [01:15:46] Speaker C: One is correct. Jared Goff. [01:15:47] Speaker B: I. You didn't. [01:15:48] Speaker C: Ah, Frank, I was supposed to let you guess. [01:15:51] Speaker A: He didn't get the point. [01:15:51] Speaker B: Jared Goff. [01:15:53] Speaker C: You got it. You got it. Passing yards. Last quarterback category. How many repeats? Who's back in the top five passing yards? [01:16:05] Speaker B: At least one. I'm gonna say one. [01:16:07] Speaker A: Two. [01:16:08] Speaker C: One is correct. [01:16:10] Speaker B: Josh Allen. [01:16:13] Speaker A: No. [01:16:14] Speaker C: Incorrect. [01:16:15] Speaker A: Yes. You get it wrong. [01:16:19] Speaker C: Josh is. Josh did not make top five passing yards or passing touchdowns or passer rating or any of these. You guys have guessed him, but he's not in any of these top fives. [01:16:29] Speaker B: Wow. [01:16:30] Speaker C: Passing yards. The only repeat is interesting. I don't think you'll guess him. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Justin Herbert. [01:16:37] Speaker C: No. [01:16:38] Speaker B: Okay. [01:16:38] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:16:39] Speaker C: Then he's number one this year in passing yards. [01:16:41] Speaker B: But no, I'm just guessing people that you were like, you're never gonna. [01:16:47] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:48] Speaker B: Oh, how did we not think of Bakey is Baker? [01:16:51] Speaker C: He finished last year, third this week. [01:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, he. I actually. I can't believe we didn't think about him. He had a really good year last year and he's had a really good. [01:16:58] Speaker A: He's had to throw a lot this year, too. [01:17:00] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm giving that one to Ian with the bonus point. No, no, no, you don't have to get the point. [01:17:08] Speaker B: No, I don't get the bonus. I guess like 50. [01:17:10] Speaker C: Now to teams. [01:17:13] Speaker A: We will do. [01:17:14] Speaker C: Worst record in the NFL. Who finished bottom five and is currently bottom five. How many teams? [01:17:23] Speaker A: Two. [01:17:24] Speaker B: I think it's more than two. [01:17:29] Speaker A: I'll go. [01:17:30] Speaker B: I'll go three. [01:17:31] Speaker A: It's two. [01:17:33] Speaker B: I thought it was Saints and somebody else. [01:17:36] Speaker A: Are you good again? [01:17:37] Speaker C: Not Saints. Do you want to guess them? [01:17:39] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. She's already got a hint there. [01:17:41] Speaker A: Thank you. I'm going to say Titans. One of them. [01:17:44] Speaker C: Yep. [01:17:44] Speaker A: Browns is another. [01:17:45] Speaker C: That's correct. [01:17:47] Speaker B: You suck. [01:17:48] Speaker C: That is correct. Very good bonus point. [01:17:51] Speaker B: He only gets one half of a bonus point because I already narrowed it down for you. [01:17:55] Speaker A: Immediately. [01:17:56] Speaker C: Best record, team. Best record. I Would say how many repeats. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Now is this. [01:18:05] Speaker A: At the end of last year? [01:18:06] Speaker B: No, no, no, no, no. I. Thank you. The standings. [01:18:10] Speaker C: I'm looking at league standings. I'm stacking all the teams in the NFL merged conferences. [01:18:16] Speaker B: I'm going to say two. [01:18:17] Speaker A: I'll say one. [01:18:18] Speaker C: One is correct. [01:18:20] Speaker A: The one team I'll say is the Packers. [01:18:22] Speaker C: Eagles. [01:18:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Eagle. I was thinking either Eagle or Chiefs would have been in there. [01:18:28] Speaker C: Packers did not finish top five last year. [01:18:29] Speaker A: Okay. [01:18:31] Speaker B: The Chiefs don't have a top five record right now. And I know the Lions, while their record is good, is not top five in terms of standings because they are not in the top. They are like. [01:18:42] Speaker A: I mean, not with that attitude. [01:18:43] Speaker B: No, they're not. They are. If the playoffs started this year, they are like fifth. [01:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah, not with that attitude. [01:18:50] Speaker B: You shot it. [01:18:51] Speaker C: Marshall wins six to five because of a bonus point. No, actually that's without the bonus points. [01:18:59] Speaker B: Oh, geez. I swear. Suck. [01:19:04] Speaker C: I mean, you guys are making it more of a competition, but. Yeah, some of more of it was like to shine a spotlight on some of these. I found it interesting that the numbers are low. Did you notice that a trend that the highest on this entire list was passer rating? There were three repeats. There were no other threes. And there were a couple twos, mostly ones and a zero or two. [01:19:34] Speaker A: What do you take away from low numbers? The person who went through it all, looked at it, made a game out of it, but also looked in the shape. [01:19:42] Speaker B: Yeah, you made a game out of this. [01:19:43] Speaker C: I know. Yeah. Like off the cuff. Like I think that, you know, we're. We do see a certain amount of rotation, a certain amount of like transition year to year where the. Those who are at the top in their given categories, their circumstances always change and to fluctuate by 5ish places in the standings is quite normal. It's. It's actually the exception to the rule. It's actually quite rare that you see. And this, you know, this is. Plays into the strategy when you're like, you know, doing your fantasy draft at the beginning of the year. It's actually rare that someone you know leads a category or is in a certain position in a category and continues in that position in subsequent years. That's rare. [01:20:33] Speaker B: I feel like this year in particular, and this could be true for other years too, but it's very noticeable this year that I do feel like sometimes. [01:20:41] Speaker A: Like don't say the injuries. [01:20:42] Speaker B: No, not injuries. [01:20:44] Speaker A: Because I feel like that's a. That's an also a bingo card thing for us. That we consistently. [01:20:49] Speaker B: I would actually what I was meaning to say was like, I feel like in recent years when I think of like teams like success when it comes to the afc, my immediate top three are always Chiefs, Ravens, Bills. And it's been really consistent over the years. And then the nfc, it's kind of always been kind of a little bit of a crapshoot. It's actually kind of flip flop this year a little bit where the NFC actually has a lot of the same players up at the top ends. Packers, Bucks, I mean these are all playoff caliber teams from last year that are still playing that same level. [01:21:27] Speaker C: Right. [01:21:27] Speaker A: But I think you heard what Kyle's. His breakdowns. A lot of those top three in Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, they're not in the top five. [01:21:37] Speaker B: I know, that's what I'm saying. [01:21:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty interesting. [01:21:39] Speaker B: I'm saying that's why like the. On the AFC side, it's actually very different than in recent years where I actually feel like the Patriots and the Colts, like these are teams that were. [01:21:49] Speaker C: Actually top five records this year. Colts, Packers, Broncos, Patriots, Eagles. That's crazy. Colts, Packers, Broncos, Patriots. Who would have thought this is one of those like the, the time travel meme of like, oh, what's going on in the NFL? Like you won't believe it. [01:22:05] Speaker B: It's going to be. What's going to be interesting though is to see how the season's going to end with those teams and then what they look like in the playoffs against better teams and then ultimately long term, are they going to be able to carry that success forward when they are inevitably playing tougher teams again? [01:22:24] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that the top five teams in league standings is. This might be unusual for there to only be one repeat. That surprised me a little bit. Yeah. [01:22:36] Speaker A: I think across major sports that would be pretty surprising. [01:22:39] Speaker C: Only one in the top five again. Yeah, that would be shocking. Think about that in the NBA if you think like halfway through the season. [01:22:45] Speaker A: And you're like, okay, sees in there again. [01:22:47] Speaker C: Yeah. And then, then we've got like the Pacers and Knicks and Nuggets and Maz and Lakers and all those other. And the warriors and all those other teams that are not up there. [01:22:56] Speaker B: Let's just name all the NBA teams. [01:22:58] Speaker C: Hey, they were competitive playoff teams last. [01:23:01] Speaker A: Year besides football out there in F1. [01:23:03] Speaker C: I'm actually starting to follow NBA more this year than I actually have been. [01:23:06] Speaker A: Sending you a podcast later today that you can listen to. To. [01:23:09] Speaker C: Okay, I'm. I'm getting into it. I don't have a lot of bandwidth to consume. A lot. I can't watch the games. [01:23:14] Speaker A: It's one hour. [01:23:15] Speaker B: I've been following a lot of baseball, especially once the postseason started. I've actually been actively watching a lot of baseball recently. Postseason baseball is actually kind of fun. [01:23:24] Speaker C: It is. [01:23:25] Speaker B: I've actually really enjoyed watching it. [01:23:27] Speaker C: I'll give you that. [01:23:27] Speaker A: Definitely smaller sample size. I think baseball becomes a lot more fun to watch. [01:23:31] Speaker C: So sorry for calling you chopped liver, but that was my segment for the week. [01:23:36] Speaker B: Guys. All I know is two things. [01:23:39] Speaker A: Ian's winning in the picks. [01:23:40] Speaker B: I'm barely winning in the picks. [01:23:42] Speaker C: Are you? You're back in front. [01:23:44] Speaker B: And I. [01:23:45] Speaker C: Okay, good. [01:23:45] Speaker B: I won my fantasy game. I'm going to be the only. [01:23:47] Speaker A: Is there a third thing? [01:23:48] Speaker B: Seven and one team or did I. [01:23:51] Speaker A: Just predict both things that you were going to say? [01:23:52] Speaker B: Yeah, those are both things. [01:23:53] Speaker C: Because you're having a cult season. [01:23:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:57] Speaker A: I'm only believing it. I don't have the fantasy championship if he's for real or not. [01:24:03] Speaker C: Okay. [01:24:03] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. [01:24:04] Speaker C: You have to win it all. We're still skeptics. This isn't real. You're a fraud. [01:24:07] Speaker B: I've only played trash teams. [01:24:11] Speaker C: Last weekend is a great example. [01:24:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Who I was I playing? [01:24:16] Speaker C: Good one. Yeah. That was too easy. You had to. I like it. [01:24:21] Speaker B: All right, let's get to our picks. [01:24:22] Speaker A: You played against the guy who gets the most points scored on him in the end in the league. All right, let's go to our locks of the week. Guaranteed they will win. Right now, ian is up 81. I have 80. And Kyle has 76. Creeping up after a 12 point win this week. [01:24:38] Speaker B: Big weekend. [01:24:39] Speaker A: Big week for you, Kyle. Speaking of big, who's your lock? Guaranteed they will win. [01:24:45] Speaker C: Who is it? Rams, I think. I think I locked in the Rams. [01:24:48] Speaker A: Over. There we go. [01:24:50] Speaker C: Someone remind me. [01:24:51] Speaker B: The Saints. [01:24:52] Speaker C: Okay. [01:24:53] Speaker A: Thank you, New Orleans. [01:24:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:24:54] Speaker A: Little crapshoot out there. [01:24:56] Speaker B: I'm regrettably taking the packers top five offense, some would say over Carolina. [01:25:03] Speaker C: Okay. [01:25:03] Speaker A: And I'm taking the Chargers over the Tennessee Titans. [01:25:08] Speaker B: Risky way with the Titans. They're so good. [01:25:12] Speaker C: So brave. [01:25:13] Speaker B: What did Cam Ward say about their team? [01:25:15] Speaker C: Like, aren't they. Didn't they say we're trash? Didn't he say we were? They're trash. [01:25:18] Speaker B: He said like something like that. Very specific, but it was quite funny. [01:25:22] Speaker A: And my upset. Pick of the week. I already talked about it earlier. It is Minnesota Vikings over Detroit Lions. [01:25:29] Speaker B: Big one. I'm taking the Bengals over. Way to pick something hard. [01:25:36] Speaker A: How'd that feel? Did it feel good for me to do that to you. Didn't feel good when you. [01:25:39] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. [01:25:39] Speaker C: You're so antagonistic right now. [01:25:41] Speaker B: Yeah. When I'm trying to. [01:25:44] Speaker C: This is what happens when somebody passes him in the picks. [01:25:47] Speaker B: It does get very sensitive. [01:25:48] Speaker C: It does. He doesn't like that. [01:25:50] Speaker B: I know. He thinks it's all about him. [01:25:51] Speaker C: We started the season kind of rooting for you, but now we're see where his heart's really at. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't actually want you. [01:25:58] Speaker B: He really wants to win. [01:25:59] Speaker C: I want you to win. [01:26:00] Speaker B: Bengals with Joe Flacco. Come on. Their offense was electric, actually. They actually are pretty good offensively. Their defense, something else, but it's not even there. So it was a very risk. I actually don't think that's a shooting, but go for it. [01:26:18] Speaker A: That's why it's called an upset. [01:26:19] Speaker C: Yes. I went with. I think that the Bills are going to upset the Chiefs in this regular season matchup. [01:26:26] Speaker B: It's always, gosh, man, that game is always. I don't know how to feel about that game anymore. I'm like, tired of watching that. [01:26:37] Speaker C: I actually understand that, like, it's great football and yet somehow I feel tired. [01:26:41] Speaker B: But I'm like, I feel like I've seen that. I'm like so exhausted for that game. It's gonna be. [01:26:47] Speaker C: What's the new storyline or narrative that you're gonna try and give us? Like, it's not different. [01:26:53] Speaker B: It's the same. These are two really high caliber teams that are probably gonna matter. Here's a guy, let me tell you. [01:27:06] Speaker A: A guy like Patrick Mahomes. I tell you what, that got crude. [01:27:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:27:10] Speaker A: Anything else you guys got for us this week? [01:27:12] Speaker B: A little Gruden in there. [01:27:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:14] Speaker B: Spider Y2 banana here. [01:27:16] Speaker A: I'll tell you one man, kind of. [01:27:19] Speaker B: Ms. Gruden doing the cast sometimes. I know why he's not there anymore, but he was always funny. [01:27:25] Speaker C: He. [01:27:25] Speaker A: He had his moments. I, I, whenever Notre Dame wins a game, I always send this noise to my family. And it's by far my favorite sounder that I have that maybe we can cap our day off today. Man. [01:27:40] Speaker C: The Fighting Irish. [01:27:42] Speaker A: I just said that's a great loop to have of Notre Dame. So anything else you got for our listeners? We're an hour and 27 in the people that are. [01:27:51] Speaker C: Holy crap, that is really long. [01:27:53] Speaker B: I recommend as my last thing, there's a video circulating where a reporter asks Thibodeau about that fumble recovery. Tush push play. His response, Watch the whole thing the ending is pure gold. That's all I gotta say. Go find it. [01:28:19] Speaker A: I want to thank you for listening to our show. For being a listener that sends and takes. Maybe you're the listener that doesn't say anything. You just listen. That's the first part of a listener. We hope that you have a great week, that you stay healthy, tell your friends family you love them. More importantly, I hope that you get some good sleep this week and I hope that your team does a good job. Unless you are a fan of the Navy midshipman. Well, they could have a good week this week, just not the week after. Really don't want you to have a good week if you're a Boston College fan. They play Notre Dame on Saturday. [01:29:05] Speaker C: If you were wondering. [01:29:07] Speaker A: Do you guys know why the chicken cross the road? [01:29:11] Speaker B: Because. [01:29:20] Speaker C: Oh my gosh, it's a toasted buzzed kid.