Division Round Recap

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In the last 24 hours, your team. [00:01:43] Speaker A: Made it to the national championship. [00:01:45] Speaker B: I know. [00:01:46] Speaker C: Our team isn't even. [00:01:47] Speaker A: That's something to celebrate. [00:01:48] Speaker C: My team's not even going to get to the super bowl again for like how many years running now, right? [00:01:54] Speaker B: Just hurts. [00:01:55] Speaker C: It does. [00:01:56] Speaker A: I've never seen my team go to the Super Bowl. [00:01:58] Speaker C: Never. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Not in my lifetime. [00:02:00] Speaker B: And you didn't see your team win the national championship last year? [00:02:02] Speaker C: We did get to see that. [00:02:03] Speaker A: We did. We did get to see. That was pretty special. [00:02:05] Speaker B: You watched the last game? [00:02:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:06] Speaker B: That's great. [00:02:07] Speaker A: You're grumpy today. What's. Just don't take it out on us. We're your support group. We're here for you. We what? [00:02:16] Speaker C: I will say I'm sorry. We don't have to talk about it too much. They. They did not give up on that game, though. It was actually pretty impressive. [00:02:25] Speaker A: We might have listeners who don't even know what we're alluding to. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Notre Dame lost to Ohio State last night. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Notre Dame is Marshall's team in a. [00:02:34] Speaker C: Very deep and passionate way. [00:02:35] Speaker B: I don't think I get any. I don't. I don't act like this with anything else. So I was pretty vile last night with the messages I was giving people. So, yeah, yeah, 24 hour rule. Don't message me. Figure that out. You're at your own record reckoning. I do have a good question of the day for you guys, though. [00:02:56] Speaker C: Let's get to it. [00:02:56] Speaker B: We'll get to some NFL after this, guys. One of my friends, good friend of mine, she's pretty awesome, has a Jeep. She gets ducked. I just found out. This thing, it's a thing. I looked, I was like, that's not a thing. Google it. Oh, it's a thing. [00:03:12] Speaker C: I had a Jeep. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Ian used to have a Jeep. [00:03:14] Speaker B: Didn't know you get ducked. So apparently, like, you find jeeps, you duck them, they duck you. [00:03:20] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:21] Speaker B: What would you want this animal to be for your current car? [00:03:28] Speaker C: I mean, I just kind of have like a. A little Nissan Versa thing. It's nothing special. [00:03:33] Speaker B: So what would a Nissan Versa have as the animal of exchange? [00:03:37] Speaker C: Well, it's kind of like a compact car. So it's small. [00:03:42] Speaker B: Like a ladybug. [00:03:43] Speaker C: No, I guess what I would want now because the ladybug would go to like a Volkswagen. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Beetle thing. [00:03:48] Speaker A: Right. [00:03:49] Speaker C: I think what I would want is more like a category of people who have small cars. Like, we have really tall people in small cars. I think you should get like a giraffe. [00:04:00] Speaker B: I like that. Kind of like tiny. Being a small, like a huge person. How about you, Kyle? [00:04:06] Speaker A: Okay, so maybe it's a stretch, but what I'm coming up with we. Our family vehicle is a church van. Like the youth group van, like the, the Ford Econoline 12 passenger. [00:04:19] Speaker B: And it's a horse. [00:04:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it's huge. [00:04:22] Speaker B: How's it doing in the snow? [00:04:23] Speaker A: It is fine. [00:04:24] Speaker C: It's a babe magnet. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it is. But given that it's, you know, when. When I say church van, everybody knows that it's kind of like the. What everybody thinks of. And given the fact that, you know, it's. It's used to haul around a bunch of kids that like, make huge messes and they, they dump their rat and their snacks and their gremlin. There's Disgusting, unspeakable things going on. [00:04:49] Speaker B: I wouldn't even want cup holders of. [00:04:50] Speaker A: Those car seats, you know. So I'm thinking a dead fish would be the animal. [00:04:57] Speaker C: That's so morbid. [00:04:58] Speaker A: A fish because of the like the Christian symbology since it's a church van. And then just like a dead fish because of the. You know, because it's like sometimes it's when it gets bad, it's like a dumpster. It's like a driving in dumpster around. You know, there's like go gurt tubes with like smelly. [00:05:16] Speaker B: Yeah. How much would I have to pay you to eat half of a bowl of spaghetti off the ground of your van? [00:05:26] Speaker A: More than. More than you've probably got. Like in shots, fire income, $10. [00:05:34] Speaker B: A couple hundred bucks. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Okay. We could talk. [00:05:39] Speaker B: There's a meatball involved too. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Well, you gotta. You gotta appreciate I'm a dad of a lot of kids. Like you're not gonna. I've seen it. I've done it all. Like I'm used to already like eating gross stuff, dealing with gross stuff on a scale that you've just never seen. So like you'll, you'll be hard. Your body still like really gross me out. [00:05:57] Speaker C: Your body's a tank. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:05:59] Speaker C: On the inside. [00:06:00] Speaker A: I've. I've seen things. [00:06:01] Speaker B: You're a dead fish. [00:06:02] Speaker A: I've eaten things. You know, I can handle it. Okay. [00:06:06] Speaker C: Could be. [00:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah. The price is. The price is probably lower. Honestly. Both. A whole bowl of spaghetti though. That's. That's kind of. [00:06:12] Speaker B: That's why I said off of the ground. I mean, I'm not saying eat a sandwich. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Anybody on the floor? [00:06:16] Speaker B: Like, yes. [00:06:17] Speaker A: Actually just eating the spaghetti is the least of my concerns now. I've got just like this whole mess. I got another mess. It's my life. [00:06:25] Speaker B: That's fair. [00:06:25] Speaker C: I'd be more worried about the fuzz getting in my mouth though. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Pretty bad. [00:06:30] Speaker C: That would like Linger. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Linger. [00:06:34] Speaker C: Linger. [00:06:36] Speaker B: Those of you that went to Kyle and Ian's band. That's one of their songs. All right. Mine would be. Cuz I own a Toyota cross. I'd have a chicken. Chicken Cross the road. Come on. It's easy. No brainer. [00:06:47] Speaker A: That's good. [00:06:47] Speaker B: That's good. Yeah, I like that as a good question for us. Do we have a commission report? San Fran isn't playing, so we. I. I'm actually going to challenge you. Commission. We're not going to have an episode next week. Kyle's got some work stuff going on. We're going to take a Week off. We normally do during this week when we recap. Because we'll be recapping the super bowl, right? Or we recap. No, no, no. We'll preview. [00:07:14] Speaker A: I think our next week, our next. [00:07:16] Speaker C: Pod will be after the awards. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Okay, so previewing the Super Bowl. Yes, I'm, I'm asking exclusively Adam Silver. I want a commission report. [00:07:26] Speaker A: Okay. [00:07:27] Speaker B: I want a Super bowl commission report and I don't want any San Francisco 49ers mentioned or coaches mentioned. I just want to hear what a fan who isn't a fan of either of these team, any of the teams playing right. Thinks about the Super Bowl. Instead, we're going to hear from Justin Matson and some of other listeners in our mailbag. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Wonderful. I love hearing from Justin. [00:07:49] Speaker B: Love hearing from G. I'm just so mad at him. All right, Justin Matson writes in. This is my annual request for Marshall to say something nice about my non favorite or my favorite non Viking AKA Josh Allen. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Go for it, Marshall. This is all you. [00:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah, we're gonna get into this game right away. That game proved why he isn't the mvp. So if you want to hear about a compliment, something nice to say about Josh Allen, you did a really good job being Alex Smith with legs. [00:08:25] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:26] Speaker B: He didn't mess up. He didn't throw a game losing interception. [00:08:30] Speaker C: He didn't fumble. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Yep, he didn't. You're right. And he has 20 yards rushing and didn't even have 150 yards passing, didn't throw for a touchdown. Who'd have thought they finally start running with somebody that isn't him that they would win a game. I thought that Lamar who all year has been the most accurate quarterback of anybody in the NFL period of long of downfield passes. Do you know how they the Bills won? They won by saying Josh Allen, don't be Josh Allen. We would like you to stay in the pocket and throw to Dalton Kincaid 14 different times during the game. I mean I didn't really find him to be this presence that won them the game. I thought Lamar threw his first interception that was on him all year. They had two poor fumbles, one of which was Lamar's and they missed a two point conversion. We could be talking totally different and Josh Young, they could have tied it up and Josh Allen could have been forced to drive the field and get a game winning field goal. [00:09:37] Speaker A: We didn't do it. We've seen him do it in the shirts before. [00:09:40] Speaker B: He didn't. [00:09:41] Speaker A: This wasn't like Josh Allen went out and won the game. He Wasn't heroic or anything. He didn't lose the game. [00:09:46] Speaker C: He didn't need to do that though. This is where I'm so I get, I get he's challenging you to say something nice here. [00:09:54] Speaker B: He did a good job. He didn't mess up. [00:09:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:56] Speaker C: And I think that's actually. You're saying like this game proves why he's not the MVP this game? I don't know. I disagree with that because a player that knows how to kind of stick with the game plan and doesn't have to go hero mode all the time, I think he just played the game that he was. He had to play. And there's nothing wrong with that. Because you want to know the other guy on the other side did mess up, did throw a bad interception and fumbled the ball. And I was actually kind of ticked off after that game because everybody was focusing on Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews was the one that fumbled that ball and then didn't catch that two point conversion. And I'm like, yeah, that was bad. Equally as bad as when Lamar also turns the ball over twice. [00:10:51] Speaker B: He drove 90, 90 yards to get that game tying. [00:10:55] Speaker C: I'm not saying that it's not impressive, but I am saying they would have lost that game anyways. By the way, there was about a minute 30 left on that clock. You're telling me the Bills can't chew that clock down and score on a field goal? [00:11:08] Speaker B: Their offense didn't look great by them. But yeah, you're, I mean looking at the game yesterday, the, the Ravens Bills game. The Ravens have 78 wins over the last seven seasons. There's no team in NFL history that has more wins over a seven year without a Super bowl appearance. Also from this game, the Ravens are the first team in NFL history to rush for 175 yards complete 70% of their passes, average 10 plus yards per pass, convert 70% of their third downs, have no punts and no missed field goals all in the same game and still end up losing of any playoff and any regular season game ever. [00:11:48] Speaker C: Lamar is also potentially going to be one of the first. I, I think he will be the first 3 time if he wins MVP, he will be the first 3 time MVP player to never even appear in a Super Bowl. [00:12:02] Speaker B: At the time it happened, at the time it happened to Peyton Manning, he had won his third mvp, was not in the super bowl yet, then broke it when he finally won his one and won a second. But at the time he had the same statistic. [00:12:15] Speaker A: I kind of like the comparisons, the painting Manning. [00:12:17] Speaker B: And it's funny because Bill Folian like says that's a wide rece and he shouldn't be playing quarterback. But then that's the quarterback that he said, that's my guy. Peyton's my guy. I drafted him. That's how every quarterback should be. And that is the comp of the most tightly thrown ball in NFL was from Payton. He was the most accurate. I mean I can always think of Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne were open. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Right. You know, the General or didn't they. [00:12:44] Speaker B: Call it something like that? [00:12:45] Speaker A: Like that. [00:12:46] Speaker B: But that's a. I think it's a great comp of three time MVP potentially. And. [00:12:51] Speaker A: But he was like 30 when he won his first Super Bowl. Like he was the guy who couldn't get over the hump. You know, the crazy thing for him. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Is that he only had one quarterback standing in the way. Brady. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:03] Speaker B: Lamar has Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Pat Mahomes. Like now he might have to deal with, you know, people like Jane Daniels from winning a Super Bowl. He might have to deal with teams like the Lions. [00:13:17] Speaker A: It's pretty fierce competition, there's no question about it. But I do like that it's a reminder that like he's still not that old. And you know, we've, we've seen this sort of thing happen. We've seen it like players go down as like first ballot hall of Famers, legends of the game who still don't like get that trophy until they're like at the midpoint of their career. [00:13:38] Speaker C: I just think it's rough because the last two years with the Ravens, their team has been incredible down the stretch. Incredible. Best team in the league by almost every single metric. [00:13:53] Speaker A: They look unbeatable. [00:13:54] Speaker C: Last season they were unstoppable going into the playoffs. And then this season, their last five games, statistically they were number one in both offense and defensive categories. They were, they were humming, humming. They were ready to go. [00:14:13] Speaker A: It's weird, it's hard to explain this. [00:14:15] Speaker C: So for them to now granted, you know, the cold, maybe that had a factor. I don't know. It's hard to kind of know if it's just coal, how much that actually plays into it. They kind of live. I mean like Baltimore is not warm by any metrics though. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but I wouldn't say it's like LA and Philly where it was like two different games during the entire coming up here. [00:14:34] Speaker A: So, you know, like this. [00:14:36] Speaker C: They're used to this kind of weather, so I don't really Think the weather was really that big of a factor. It just was like. [00:14:42] Speaker A: I mean, you could see it a little bit with, like, the ball early on. They had. They had more drops. They had more drop. [00:14:49] Speaker C: The story of the weekend, the team that had the most yards lost first. [00:14:56] Speaker B: Time all four times, all four games. Team with the most yards lost. [00:15:03] Speaker A: Kind of weird. [00:15:04] Speaker C: The difference was turnovers. Every team that lost turned the ball over, and the teams that won never turned it over. [00:15:11] Speaker B: Yeah, just shorter fields, I think, that they're playing with, for sure. And. And that's huge. [00:15:16] Speaker A: That's huge because we saw the losing teams be, like, the offenses that looked unstoppable. Like. Like you said, the Ravens never punted. Like, if they would have got the ball again, if it would have gone into overtime, it probably started to flip and favor the Ravens because the Bills never stopped them even once. [00:15:32] Speaker C: I thought the Rams were going to win that game. [00:15:35] Speaker B: I thought so at the end, I thought, how do you. How does Puka catch that? And you not say, this is meant to be. Can we transition to that? But before we do, I want to just say one thing. I will say for Lamar is that he. He did all this without his first and second wide receiver. That, to me, is Bronco. Like, that's a. That's a team that, like, I could see them trading for a Tyreek or signing a T. Higgins, and that could be a game changer. [00:16:01] Speaker C: I just hope. [00:16:02] Speaker A: I think so, too, people are going to keep. [00:16:04] Speaker C: And this is. I want to make this as a positive for Lamar because it's easy to kind of, like, rag on him because people were ragging on the team just in general, like, oh, man, you have been here again and again and again, and you're stuck. [00:16:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:16:18] Speaker C: I. I don't know if I like that comparison anymore, though. I was willing to kind of, like, maybe agree a little bit last year because they did kind of feel like they choked that game away. And, you know, maybe you could say they choked this game away, but I don't think that was necessarily Lamar's fault. Yeah, I actually thought after those turnovers, he was dialed in and the narrative is going to be like, oh, he's just, you know, he. He can't stay focused in the playoffs. He can't win it when it's important. [00:16:49] Speaker B: And I clutch Gene as Skip Bayless. [00:16:52] Speaker C: I don't know if I agree with that. I think he can. It's just been some bad luck. [00:16:57] Speaker A: The way it looked to me with all four of those games. If all of them were like, A little longer. Like a quarter longer or even less. I think all four of them would have flipped because it really looks crazy. It really looks like the team that lost was playing better, was having a better game, and the variance factor was really not working in their favor. Like, those were the. [00:17:20] Speaker B: All four. [00:17:21] Speaker A: Those were the offenses that couldn't be stopped except when they stopped themselves by shooting themselves in the foot, penalties and. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Turnovers or choosing a different way to play. [00:17:29] Speaker A: Like, if the game went longer, it really. Look, I really think the Rams probably would have won if the game were a little longer. I feel like the Texans could have pulled that out. [00:17:36] Speaker B: Who's to say the Lions couldn't have? If they would have seen that they had more time and they could have ran the ball. [00:17:40] Speaker C: Can we tr. I know we were about to. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Let's go to the Lions game. We're going to talk. We need to get in on that. We don't have a question when it comes to Philly, so we'll hold that to the end. We have a couple questions. [00:17:49] Speaker C: Can I lead with one? [00:17:50] Speaker B: Yeah, go for it. [00:17:51] Speaker C: I want to lead with Sean Brogan. Wa. I got a group chat with some of the guys at work, and Sean Brogan kind of just commented. He was like, that game was lost on the fumble at the 3 and 1. You're looking at going up 14 to 3 and being in control, and instead you went down 10 to 7, and you could never stay in front after that. And I got to say that. [00:18:11] Speaker A: Which game is he talking about? [00:18:12] Speaker C: This is the line. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Okay. Okay. [00:18:14] Speaker C: This is exactly how I felt that third and one fumble was. It was awful. You. You gave up control of that game. I 100% agree with this because this is how I felt. As soon as they fumbled the ball, I was like, that is the worst spot. You're in the red zone. You know you're going to score. You know you're going to score. The way they were moving that ball all game, yeah. [00:18:38] Speaker A: You could tell they were not getting stopped. [00:18:39] Speaker C: This team was going to go into the end zone, but they would have stayed in front. [00:18:43] Speaker B: They've come back in games before, though, Ian. I think that's why I think, like, true. [00:18:48] Speaker C: But not when the one. I just. Oh, like that. It flipped the script. I know. It's just. It's frustrating because this was probably one of their worst games the entire year. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:19:04] Speaker C: You could probably. Maybe the only other game you could point to would be the Houston game. But even that game, they won. They won because their defense. Their defense was actually still Playing really good football at that point, all the injuries hadn't really piled up. [00:19:22] Speaker A: Well, the Texans have had a dysfunctional offense this whole season and the commanders are the opposite. The commanders are the reverse of that. [00:19:28] Speaker C: And I just. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Theirs was a well oiled machine. [00:19:30] Speaker C: It was just kind of when Amik Robertson went down, I was like H, which was early. Second, bad broken arm. As soon as they showed it, he's. [00:19:39] Speaker A: On Terry McLaren and Terry McLaurin has a great game after that. [00:19:43] Speaker C: As soon as that happened, I was like, oh no. [00:19:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:46] Speaker C: It was just like. It was literally the story of the season for the Lions. They just couldn't catch a break defensively on injuries. [00:19:54] Speaker B: You know, I saw this game a little differently for me. I kind of side a little bit with G. I'm going to read his take that he has for you because for those who don't know, Ben Johnson, offensive coordinator, former offensive coordinator for the Lions, is now the head coach for Dub Airs, the Chicago Bears. [00:20:11] Speaker C: Treason is what that is. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Eric Genunzio writes in Good Riddance Ben Johnson, the Lions offense will be as good or better than it was this year. I still believe he's a massively overrated coordinator who has had success with an absolutely loaded offense. The NFL anoints guys like this every year. Ben Johnson, Brendan Staley and we'll enjoy fourth and being fourth in the North. That's a great shirt. [00:20:40] Speaker A: I like that one, G. Good one. [00:20:41] Speaker B: For years to come. Let's call a truck play when. Trick play when we are moving the ball and we will not only do that, let's have our dumbest, least predictable player throw it downfield. [00:20:55] Speaker C: I do not like the dumb line. I don't appreciate that. I'm going to be honest. [00:20:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of harsh. That's a little hard. Necessary. [00:21:03] Speaker C: I'm only going to call that part out because I agree with everything else. I just. [00:21:06] Speaker B: We can agree he doesn't have good judgment driving around with guns in his car. We can say that that might qualify as dumb. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Well, his brother. Let's not get into this, okay? I. I really don't want to get into it. I do feel like Jamo gets crucified a little bit more than probably he deserves because he's. He's. And actually like if you read up on him, actually read up on him, he's a very genuinely good guy. So I just want to like defend my play. But otherwise. [00:21:32] Speaker B: But look at the play calling I think is what G is looking at. They didn't. I don't know if they lost that game on a single play as much as they lost it by getting away from plays. [00:21:41] Speaker C: They were. I was watching the Pat McAfee show today and they talked a lot about, like, how, how much did Ben Johnson not go into his bag of tricks because he knew, I'm gonna save these. I'm gonna save these for next year. [00:21:58] Speaker B: What an awful take. [00:21:59] Speaker C: I know. It was just. They were just joking around, but I did think that was funny. I. [00:22:04] Speaker A: It. [00:22:04] Speaker C: It's so hard to know when a coordinator leaves what they're gonna look like. Especially because Ben Johnson's leaving a team where mcdc is like the culture captain and he has like created that culture over there. And can Ben Johnson do that for the Bears? I have no idea. I do not know. I. There's not much personality to him from what I've seen, so I have no idea if he is. He's definitely not as charismatic as mcdc. [00:22:38] Speaker B: I don't even think he's as charismatic as Glenn. [00:22:40] Speaker C: No. Aaron Glenn's Aaron Glenn. And this is the difference here is Ben Johnson gets praised for a lot of his, like, X's and O's. Aaron Glenn gets praised because he does. The. The players rave about him because of like, how big of a culture piece he is too. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:57] Speaker C: And so him leaving, which he's probably going to be going to the jets, it almost all signs point there. That's not been confirmed by the time some of you are listening to this. That might be confirmed, but we all. [00:23:06] Speaker A: Look at this and we think Aaron Glenn was the one who did more with less. [00:23:09] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:23:10] Speaker A: Ben Johnson, G might be arguing he did less with more. [00:23:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Or like, the reality is, like, it's hard to say it's a loaded offense. [00:23:18] Speaker C: It's hard to say he did less though, because they had one of the most prolific offenses we've seen. [00:23:24] Speaker A: It's incredible. But you. The point must be made that the ultimate cheat code, the ultimate, like, put it on easy mode, like, give me a eight foot hoop and you've got a 12 foot hoop that you've got to shoot on and is. You've got an O line that is the best in the league. You've got an incredible O that puts everything on easy mode. That means every play in the playbook is possible. That means you can do flea flickers and, and all these misdirection plays and draw up plays for other things. And the goofy stuff that we said that Tom Brady's yelling at, like, I've never seen that in my whole career. You can do that because your O line is elite. [00:23:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker A: You can't do that in Chicago. Ben Johnson cannot do those things in Chicago. He has the scheme so much harder. So like maybe you've got a more talented, an athletic quarterback back there. That's part of it. That's useful. I don't know. But it's. He doesn't have the O line capability. And that is really the number that is top, that is above everything in empowering you as a play caller to do your will. [00:24:22] Speaker C: 100% agree. They are. A lot of people are also forgetting that when the Lions were their first season with Dan Campbell as their coach, they hadn't won a game yet. And then they finally win their first game, they went down the stretch three and three with a pretty terrible team. Dan Campbell was the one doing the play calling and then he's got his stamp on that offensive scheme. This is not entirely just Ben Johnson's, which means I actually am inclined to agree with, with G here and say I actually. I'm going to be just curious to see what the Bears look like next year. [00:25:08] Speaker B: But you'll get to see him twice. [00:25:10] Speaker C: But I'm not super worried about what the Lions offense is going to look like because a lot of those guys, they're still under contract. They're still coming back. [00:25:18] Speaker B: Your point? I mean, the joke was, is Ben Johnson getting the Lions offensive line to join him? [00:25:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:24] Speaker A: No, no, no. [00:25:26] Speaker B: They are not. [00:25:27] Speaker A: They're more important. Give me all pros on the O line and we're good. Everything is possible. [00:25:32] Speaker C: The only guy they're losing that's like significant on the O line is Zeitler, which they can resign him if they want to or they'll find a new guy because Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes, they know they built that team through the trenches. They prioritize it. So I am not worried about our O line because they actually had a rookie, Christian Mahogany. He's. He's had a couple good games for us and they're going to plug him right in there. So I'm, I'm pretty comfortable with the Lions offense. [00:26:04] Speaker A: I'm very optimistic. [00:26:05] Speaker C: It's going to look different, I'm sure, but it's still going to be explosive. It's still going to score points. [00:26:11] Speaker B: Jamie writes in. Jamie Asl writes in. How do you think the Lions fill the void of Ben Johnson? Do you think they promote from within? They have a lot of coordinators that they've been, they've been talking about. They've. I've even seen like their offensive Line coach, assistant head coaches, Antoine, Randall, Lynn, like different people that they have on their coaching staff. Do you see them coming from within or do you see them going from the outside in? [00:26:31] Speaker C: I think they're going to go within. That's what they do with Ben Johnson. [00:26:34] Speaker A: What am I surprised. Alignment with the head coach is just so critical. It is just so important that you're bought into this mission, especially with the way that Dan Campbell has wanted them to be aggressive and approach their. Their game plans. [00:26:46] Speaker C: I hope they promote within because they got their O line coach. The. The O line rave about him. I'd actually like them to promote him to OC because he could be potentially leaving. I keep burping. I'm so sorry. [00:27:04] Speaker B: You're like, pausing. Are you loading? [00:27:07] Speaker C: He could. He could potentially be leaving for a different job as an OC somewhere else because he's been interviewed at Seattle, I think, and I think potential other teams are interested in him. [00:27:17] Speaker A: Good coordinators are possible to find. Like, they're out there. There's lots of good coordinators out there. There's lots of people. [00:27:23] Speaker C: This is Dan Campbell's vision and his team. And I think if you promote within, everyone's going to stay online now. I don't know what they're going to do on the defensive side. I just. Mostly because. Yeah. I don't know how many coordinators I've heard their linebacker coach could be a potential. [00:27:42] Speaker B: I heard a name that made me let go. Huh? I like that. Robert Salah. [00:27:47] Speaker C: I. No. Oh, my God. Yes. I was actually interested. [00:27:51] Speaker B: He's apparently got offered by Shanahan to be his coordinator in San Fran and said, I will make you the highest paid coordinator. [00:27:59] Speaker C: I think Robert Salah to Detroit as a defensive coordinator. That team would win a Super Bowl. [00:28:07] Speaker B: Oh, come on, dude. Don't do this already. Don't do it. Come on. [00:28:11] Speaker C: I won't do that, but I would have. [00:28:13] Speaker A: I'm into it, though, though. [00:28:14] Speaker C: I'm. [00:28:15] Speaker B: I'm massively. You don't. But. But also do it when the mic's off. [00:28:19] Speaker C: Sorry. Sorry for the F bomb there, but I just get excited about the prospect of our defense taking a step forward because I think I'm like, the injuries we had this year were pretty freak. You just don't get that many injuries. You're going to have Hutchback, you're going to have Zadarius. Smith is still going to be on one more year on a contract. You're going to have both of them on the outside. [00:28:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:40] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Zadarius Talk about doing nothing in that game. I mean, he did nothing. [00:28:46] Speaker A: He did something. He had a player I called. [00:28:48] Speaker C: He had, oh, I think he batted something down. The. The entire team just looked bad. So. [00:28:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:54] Speaker B: But we also need to give credit to Jaden Daniels. Jane Daniels looked amazing. So good because they made the NFC championship. Do you guys know that? They are actually now there is. Every team in the NFC has reached the conference championship more recently than the Cowboys since 1990. Isn't that crazy? [00:29:16] Speaker C: 1996. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Here's another good stat about the game, but Jane Daniels, you know, based on his performance, he's one of two, four, six quarterbacks that have made the conference championship. Well, let me give you the defensive ratings for these teams. When these rookies made the conference championship. Sean King had the third defense, third best defense with Tampa Bay. Big Ben first. Joe Flacco third. Mark Sanchez third. Brock Purdy first. Jane Daniels 28th. And that defense did not play like the 28th best against the Lions. I know the Lions shot themselves in the foot, but they made plays. They. That's the big thing. It's like they're a team. Like, that's. That's kind of what I said with Notre Dame or like, yeah, their defense is a great defense, but like, the only way they're going to beat a great offense is by having plays, not by like, you know, winning it in the mud because they're not gonna. [00:30:15] Speaker C: It's easy as like a Lions fan to like, look at that game and say, like, man, Jared Goff, like, what a terrible game. I. You have to give Dayton J. That. You have to give Jaden Daniels his flowers. Based on that game, though, he played amazing. So good that people are actually starting to favor them over the Eagles, which. [00:30:41] Speaker B: I'm like, the Eagles right now are the current favorite to win the super bowl of all four teams. [00:30:47] Speaker C: But I think people are living on the hype of. From that game just because of what he did to the Lions defense, like just torch. He punished them for every single turnover. [00:30:58] Speaker B: Every mistake. [00:30:59] Speaker C: Every mistake. [00:31:00] Speaker B: Every mistake was like, punished him. [00:31:02] Speaker C: And that's. That is what a good quarterback, a good team does. And I have to say, Lions aside, good job commanders. Like, no one. [00:31:14] Speaker A: It's big of you to say. [00:31:15] Speaker C: Honestly, though, like I said, how cool is it for a commander's team to have. They were the second worst record last year. Second worst. And now they're going to the NFC championship game. So cool. [00:31:28] Speaker B: That should give every team hope that all you need to do is get a new quarterback and Lose your owner. [00:31:34] Speaker C: New quarterback, new coach, new gm, all of it. New owner. They hit the reset, clean house. [00:31:41] Speaker A: I like the new owner bump. [00:31:42] Speaker B: That's where I think, like, oh, yeah, you look at those two, Two things where you. But everyone, everyone made fun of Dan Quinn. Like, that was the hire you wanted. Seriously, that team's laughing now. You know, their top nine defenders, their top nine tacklers are all people that were not on the team last year. That's a crazy thought. [00:32:03] Speaker A: Wow. [00:32:04] Speaker B: That's a crazy thought. [00:32:06] Speaker A: That's a rebuilt team. [00:32:08] Speaker C: You have to give that team flowers because they really looked impressive. It not only in that game, but against the Bucs too. They ground that game out. Earlier in the season they played the Eagles, they grinded that game out too. They could win this game. [00:32:22] Speaker A: I love it. I love the ousting, crappy owner from the league. Has been great. Has been a win for all, especially. Especially the fans of that franchise. And that it's turning out favorably is like, that's cause to celebrate this. It should give people hope for that, all those fans. And really for the whole league, it's a win. And. And also this is just like a much more interesting team, much more interesting division. The whole conference is more interesting with this team being competitive again with like talented players playing to their full potential with some underappreciated talent on. That was. That was wasted on that team until they finally got a good quarterback and coach. [00:33:04] Speaker B: I liked a tweet that I saw earlier this a couple days ago. It said, the Chiefs, if they win Mahomes, he's becoming the goat. The Bills, they win. Josh Allen ascends Burrow and Lamar and joins Mahomes at the top. Commanders win. My God. Jaden Daniels is immortalized as the greatest young quarterback in sports history. The Eagles win. We all just move quickly with our lives and forget about football until next fall. [00:33:30] Speaker C: I have to with Jaden Daniels, he's hard not to like. I really like him just because, like, watching him play first off was incredible. I mean, he was electric. But yeah, just on top of that, like, listening to him in interviews. And there was a clip that was circulating when Amik Robertson got injured. He went over there, knelt down with Lions players and prayed with them. And I was like, dude, like, that's just such a classy thing to do. I know players do that kind of all the time. But he, like, put his arm around like, Teriann Arnold. Like, you can see them, like, holding each other up. Yeah, just like, man, like, this sucks. [00:34:10] Speaker A: You can see the potential for this guy, he's going to grow into a leader and I just have a supreme talent, but an actual leader. [00:34:16] Speaker C: For to be that young, to be a rookie and to have that kind of composure not only in the game. [00:34:23] Speaker B: In that history of a franchise too. [00:34:25] Speaker C: Just so cool. [00:34:26] Speaker A: How often do you have kids that young stepping up and being like the role model for your organization? RG3 how often does that happen? [00:34:33] Speaker B: And they ran him into the ground. [00:34:35] Speaker C: So I'm not thrilled that Jaden Daniels exists in the nfc, but I am like happy for him and for the commanders. It's not hard for me to say that. I mean it's a little hard because it's still. [00:34:49] Speaker A: We understand. But when you just put on your Rob Low NFL hat as a fan, they they earned. [00:34:56] Speaker C: They deserve that win. They 100 deserve that win. So, so kudos to them. [00:35:01] Speaker B: In our next game we're going to talk about comes from Jamie. Jamie Hessler writes in and this is kind of a diatribe, so stay with me here, Ian, because you get a shot at you before you even get to answer. So just you ready? It's easy for people to say that Mahomes gets special treatment while all quarterbacks in among all the quarterbacks in the league, especially superstars who seem to get the same special treatment as he does, I believe that. But Mahomes is simply turning into Brady and someone that wins all the time. When you look at the numerical data, the two teams that got the most penalties called in their favor were the Vikings and the Bills this year, while the Chiefs, you can't find them. They're middle of the pack. They have 115 beneficiary penalties called on them in their favor or called in their favor against the other team. One, Minnesota had 132 Buffalo had 130. It's a weird narrative, but I get it if you're sick of seeing the Chiefs win. And please don't let Ian say oh well, he's a chief and of course he's going to say that. All that call. Because for sure, I for sure know that Mahomes gets calls like that. But it's a weird narrative. You don't go 14 and one by getting the calls every game. You don't win three Super Bowls by getting all the calls. They have great coaching. They probably have one of the best defenses in the league and they have an offense that can create and play to their own pace. Ian, you got a shot at before even speaking, so defend yourself. [00:36:34] Speaker C: I mean he did have some penalties that Were a little questionable in this game, if we're going to be, like, honest about the. The officiating. There was some calls that were pretty bad. There was a roughing the passer call early in the game where the dude, he. He literally is throwing the ball and I think Will Anderson hits him in a clean tackle and he got a rough. [00:37:03] Speaker B: He just gets up in his. Girl didn't hit him right in the head. But it was close. [00:37:06] Speaker C: It was close, but it was like at a time where almost every quarterback takes that hit and no flag is thrown. But Patrick Mahomes got the flag. Patrick Mahomes got another roughing the passer because he slid down and 2. No one even touched him in that, by the way. They ran into each other and he took over him. [00:37:25] Speaker A: Funny. Kind of funny. [00:37:26] Speaker B: Then there was a late hit going out of bounds. [00:37:28] Speaker C: Late hit. Which the only thing I do not. This is like a new thing where some of these guys and Patrick Mahomes does it the most. And some of these other quarterbacks are learning. Well, I'm just going to do this where they try to milk it for everything it's worth and stay in bounds and kind of tote the edge. And then they make a big deal when they get hit out of bounds because the guy's like, screw this. You're going to go out and you're going to stay out and I'm going to hit you. And honestly, I think the coaching should be tackle them and take the 15 yards. Send a message that you do not get to get up and play with us this way. Get out of bounds, stay out of bounds. Don't play with your food and knock him out because what Patrick Mahomes did. [00:38:20] Speaker B: I love it. I love it. [00:38:21] Speaker A: What Patrick Mahomes did bring the passion. [00:38:24] Speaker C: Was he, like, toted the line, got lightly shoved and flopped. Yeah, he flopped and he got a flag because of the flop. And I'm sorry. That's stupid. That's stupid. Now it's. It's one of the great quarterbacks. I'm not taking anything away from him because you're right, Jamie. You don't get 14:1 because of penalties. You get there because you're. [00:38:51] Speaker B: But this just annoys you. [00:38:52] Speaker C: But it does annoy me, okay? And I don't like. I hate flopping. I hate it. It's bad for the sport. I hate it when I watch it in soccer. It's stupid. No one likes it. It's stupid watching him do it. It's stupid watching Josh Allen do it because I've seen him do it. It's stupid when Matt Stafford does it. And I love Matt Stafford and I hate when he flops. I hate when any quarterback flops. I don't care what team they're on. Okay? So, yeah, I don't like it. [00:39:24] Speaker B: I'll tell you. Like, to me, I look at it and say, like, if they're gonna. If it's kind of like if the NFL is going to have a rule, we're going to exploit it until you change it. And I don't blame them one bit. I don't blame the Chiefs. I don't blame Patrick Mahomes. If the defender is going to be a and run at him with a thousand miles an hour and he's going to slow up before he gets out of bounds and you're going to give him two, then change the rule. They're not going to. Because they're going to try and protect the quarterbacks. Because there's a reason that Peyton Manning only had to play and go up against Tom Brady. Because those are the only two quarterbacks that were good enough and healthy enough by the end of the year. Because everyone else was getting injured. Yeah, there's a reason that, you know, Lamar has to go through all these other. And I think that other quarterbacks. And I think that's because they're protecting the quarterback. It's proven. [00:40:14] Speaker C: It's hard because the quarterback is. The role of the quarterback is changing. We are no longer looking at just like the Brady and the Romos and the Roethlisbergers and the Mannings just sitting in the pocket. These guys are becoming running quarterbacks, scrambling quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes is all over the field running around. [00:40:38] Speaker B: He is literally the running quarterback in the playoffs. Like him and Josh Allen. Like, and I know Josh Allen, I joked, only at 20 yards rushing, but like, there's something about their saving the running ability until the playoffs. [00:40:50] Speaker C: Look at the four quarterbacks in the championship games. Jalen hurts runs. [00:40:57] Speaker B: They have an amazing run to start the game. [00:41:00] Speaker C: To go up 7:44 yards or something like that. [00:41:02] Speaker B: Yeah, he like bulldozed two people. Yeah, he was great. [00:41:05] Speaker C: Pretty good. He, he. They do RPOs with him all the time. Lamar Jet or Josh Allen all the time. Patrick Mahomes all the time. Jaden Daniels all the time. All four of these guys. I'm not saying they're run first, but they have the ability to run on you and they will. That's the new quarterback style. It's. That's what it's going to Become. And so that's why, like, a guy like Jared Goff, people are kind of, like, lukewarm on him. It's like, well, you look great in the pocket, but, man, like, you suck at running. Like, he. His game hasn't evolved. Right? So I don't. They're gonna have to figure out how to treat them once they become a runner, though. And I don't think they've really thought about it before, but now you have so many quarterbacks that play this way. [00:41:54] Speaker B: Yeah, they got rid of it when, like, Kenny Pickett did, like, the fake slide. Like, that's an easy fix. This, I don't think is an easy fix, and I don't think that that's something you're going to be able to easily get out of the game. But I do think, to Jamie's point, we're watching a goat become the goat. Oh, yeah. [00:42:11] Speaker C: If we. [00:42:12] Speaker B: If we can talk about how Tom Brady is great and you guys couldn't get sick of him and I got sick of him forever, then I can do the opposite, because I can. I am enthralled by watching Mahomes, and I know that it drives you guys nuts. [00:42:25] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Let me read the text message that you guys sent to me and said that it would be the least. Least exciting thing for the Chiefs to be in the Super Bowl. [00:42:36] Speaker C: This. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:38] Speaker C: To be very clear here. To be very clear here. Something. Yeah. I avoided that. You can have clear a matchup where I've already seen, and I can be uninterested by that. I've seen the Chiefs in the playoffs. I've seen them in the Super Bowl. I know what I'm getting. It's not that I don't think watching Patrick Mahomes isn't impressive. It's just like, I don't know. I've had chocolate ice cream, like, four times in a row. Do I really want a fifth day in a row? Like, I mean, I could. I would, and I would eat it, but would I prefer some variety? Yeah, for sure. Everyone wants variety. They get burnt out from watching the same stuff. Yeah, but am I gonna appreciate watching him win again? And a 3P and know, like, this dude is on pace to match Tom Brady, and eventually you could potentially have a new conversation about who's the goat. Yeah. I'm gonna appreciate it. [00:43:36] Speaker A: Sure. It's interesting. We were there to see it. [00:43:39] Speaker C: That doesn't mean I don't want to watch something else, though, every now and then. Right. Like, would I want to rather Watch Josh Allen win his first Super Bowl. Yes. Yes, I would. [00:43:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:43:48] Speaker A: Yeah. That's more interesting to me. [00:43:50] Speaker B: We did have, we did have one game that wasn't brought up by a listener and it's the Rams and Eagles. We talked about how great the Eagles fun game. Choke the game away. [00:44:01] Speaker C: Love that game. Only because it was a pure snow game down the stretch and I love snow games. [00:44:07] Speaker B: Do you know Saquon Barkley had four 60 yard touchdowns against the Rams this year? [00:44:13] Speaker C: He had a couple of them here. [00:44:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:15] Speaker B: That's crazy at two in each game. [00:44:17] Speaker A: Just incredible. [00:44:18] Speaker B: I only really have two stats I need to talk about when it comes to this game and they're going to make you smile. So just get pissed. Look at the. Look at me and then get ready to smile. Okay. Sean. Hockey is reffing the game this upcoming week against with the Eagles and the commanders. Philly is 60 in games with Sean Hockley. Thank you. I got one of you. Okay. My next one. Guaranteed to make a smile. No team has lost to Kirk Cousins and won the super bowl the same year. This year the Falcons beat the Eagles. Oh yes. We're getting ready for one of those Kirk Cousins stats that I really like so badly. So. [00:44:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:59] Speaker C: So the Eagles are going to make it to the Super Bowl. Tragic. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Did you watch him on the pregame table? [00:45:06] Speaker B: He's actually pretty good. Talking about Mahomes, I liked what he. [00:45:10] Speaker A: Had to say and I thought his, I thought you were going to bring up his comments about like sometimes it seems like it feels like we don't play the same position the way that he can and everybody cracked up at it. It's very funny. And I put Elston was charmed a little. [00:45:26] Speaker B: Very self deprecating. [00:45:27] Speaker A: The ability to like have, have that awareness, that humility and just like just praising this, this great player. So that was, that was really fun. I enjoyed listening to him. [00:45:36] Speaker C: I thought the Rams were the better team in that game. I know Sake. What Saquon did was pretty remarkable. But I, when I was watching the game like they never. Their defense is young that. I don't know what his first name is but Verse, he's good. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Jared Verse. [00:45:56] Speaker C: Jared Verse. Is that it? And then they had another guy but he got injured. I just like watching the Rams. I felt like they have a higher ceiling than the Eagles did in terms of both the passing and the running. And then obviously I think the Eagles defense is, is better but they're like they're more experienced. I just like liked watching the Rams more. I thought they were a more interesting team. And I was absolutely peeved that Stafford basically just threw that ball away on that fourth down. Yeah, it was a bad throw. I have no idea what he was doing. And I was infuriated that that's how the game was going to end. [00:46:37] Speaker A: That's a bummer. [00:46:38] Speaker B: Did you see the Rams and Raiders thing from over the week? This, this is a great one. There's a report that the Rams last year drafted Byron Young and that the Raiders had thought that they drafted Byron Young. [00:46:56] Speaker C: What? [00:46:57] Speaker B: What? The Raiders picked in the third round defensive lineman Byron Young from Alabama. Seven picks later, the Raiders picked defensive lineman Byron Young from Tennessee and oh, no. [00:47:18] Speaker A: What? [00:47:19] Speaker B: Four months later, Byron Young from the Raiders, who people said was one of the craziest draft picks of the entire year, most people had him as an undrafted free agent, was drafted third round by the Raiders. Four months later was cut, didn't even make the roster for the like regular season. And Byron Young for the Rams is in potential to be defensive player of the year for rookies. Probably a top three at least. So it's really kind of like a funny thing to think of. Like that's the Raiders in a nutshell. [00:47:59] Speaker C: Speaking of the Raiders, amazing Max Crosby was on, I think NFL Network for most of the week. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:48:07] Speaker C: Very interesting to listen to him. He was actually pretty good. [00:48:11] Speaker B: You just want him on the line. [00:48:12] Speaker A: I want him on the line so bad. [00:48:15] Speaker C: He would be awesome on the lines. I just thought he was. [00:48:18] Speaker A: You grew up here. Come on. Come home, bud. [00:48:20] Speaker C: It was. He was funny when he was talking about the lines. He was like, I just, I kind of hate that team because they decided to get good when I'm in the league and I can't enjoy it. [00:48:30] Speaker B: Totally. That's spoken like somebody who went to Eastern. [00:48:33] Speaker C: He was pretty like intelligible when he was talking and I really liked listening to him. I thought he doesn't. He doesn't have like the look of a guy you would see on the desk at the end because of like all the tattoos. I think sometimes people think that's a little intimidating, but I actually like thought he was really fun to listen to. I liked him. I watched a lot of clips of him talking about football. [00:48:58] Speaker B: Yeah, he brought some. A good, a good perspective to the table. I'm excited to see kind of who are some of those people from our ilk when they retire, go behind the desk and become play by play or commentary people I enjoy being able to know. I watch them like when, when they were. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:49:17] Speaker B: I want to see Champ Bailey or. I want to see. I want to see Bubba Frank's tight end from the Packers. I want to watch, like, random. I. I want to see Dre Bly. [00:49:25] Speaker C: Yeah. It's just funny because, like, some of these. [00:49:28] Speaker B: Let's get Peanut Tillman. [00:49:29] Speaker A: Some of these guys get long. I mean, Keyshawn Johnson is still in Jalen Rose, you know, like, Give me Ocho sings. I remember watching them when I was young, and they're still doing it, like, decades later. [00:49:40] Speaker C: So something that I think is funny that Terry Bradshaw. I've noticed this. I've noticed this this year that they're doing a lot more is on, like, bye weeks. They're bringing in players and they're like, having them a part of the crew. [00:49:56] Speaker B: It's a little bit of a tryout. [00:49:57] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like, they're seeing, like, does this person have, like, the carrot. The. The charisma to, like, do this? I like it because, you know, you could avoid like a Romo type of situation where he's got his catchphrases. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Did you. [00:50:12] Speaker C: And he talks about time where he was like, he would not. [00:50:16] Speaker A: What was. [00:50:17] Speaker C: Cook. [00:50:19] Speaker A: Let him cook. [00:50:21] Speaker C: Did you hear that? He wouldn't stop talking about J. What was it? Jason Milano or whatever. [00:50:30] Speaker A: It was so amazing. Me and Thane were watching the game, like, oh, man. Thane was like, don't hurt yourself, Tony. [00:50:37] Speaker C: He's. He's really gotten bad. I actually have gotten to the point where I can't stand listening. I can't. I used to love listening to Romo because of, like, we all did. We loved. [00:50:50] Speaker B: We were on record being like, the first four games were like, he's predicting the plays. He knows the breakdown. And then after that, he's like, I got a five year deal. We're good. [00:51:00] Speaker C: Yeah. He kept bringing up one of the Bills. [00:51:05] Speaker A: You know, you can just see Jim up there giving this look. Like, what the third time. [00:51:12] Speaker C: He kept bringing up multiple times throughout the game. It was like, I don't know his first name. It was like Jason Milano or something like that. He's a defensive player for the Bills and be like, oh, the Milano effect here and here and here and here. And some people are like, he wasn't even. He wasn't even in. Involved in the play. He wasn't even there. So. What are you talking about? Matt Milano. That's what it was. [00:51:35] Speaker A: That was funny. [00:51:36] Speaker C: It was just like, he's kind of. [00:51:37] Speaker B: It was a good weekend of football, to be honest. I enjoyed it while I Didn't have games that I wanted to go my way. I thought they were good games. I enjoyed them. This is the first week I can say that because usually I'm grappling on them. [00:51:49] Speaker A: It's a role reversal because I look back on this weekend and this happens a lot because this is. We're at the point of the season where every game kind of matters and you know, we go through the whole regular season and like the majority of the games, I don't particularly have a strong opinion about the outcome. It's football. I love watching, I love the. Seeing the stories unfold. But what happens, happens. We're now late stage in the season and there's only a few teams left. And these are, you know, stories that we followed this whole way. And a few of these teams I have some. An attachment to or maybe some aversion to, maybe, but there's only a few left. And I actually care about the outcome of each game. And this is a weekend where four out of four games, my preferred outcome did not happen. Four out of four. Each time, like, the team I wanted to win lost and, well, it cared more about some games than about others. But in each case, I was a little disappointed in the outcome. And each game I wish would have gone on a little longer. In each game it felt like, ah, this team should be winning and they didn't. And each, like this end of this season, this doesn't seem right. And, and I look at the matchups we've got in championship weekend and I'm just scratching my head going, how do we get here? This is not. This doesn't seem like how 2024 season should have unfolded. It's wrong. I'm frustrated. [00:53:01] Speaker B: Kyle, as somebody that's, you know, going on too many first dates lately, that's kind of how you want a first date to end. You always want a little more. [00:53:12] Speaker A: Okay. [00:53:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I, that's my take on it. [00:53:16] Speaker C: I mean, I, I remember when the Lions lost last year, I was like, depressed. Yeah, I was pretty, like, low for like several days. I was pretty, pretty depressed about that. [00:53:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:30] Speaker C: And when I, when they lost this year, I had already kind of hit acceptance by the time halftime hit. If I'm being completely honest. I was like, just the way the game was going, I was like a. [00:53:39] Speaker B: Weird word you used to describe yourself. [00:53:41] Speaker A: I appreciate you saying that because I was in denial like the whole time. I mean, we were on like the final drive and I was still like, this is not just. This is not happening. This is not happening. [00:53:51] Speaker C: Just felt like, welcome to Lions fandom. I've been there long enough, so I. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Know there's one word you use that I was like, I haven't heard that. I can't remember. [00:54:00] Speaker C: What did I say? [00:54:01] Speaker B: Relief. [00:54:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:03] Speaker B: So I have not heard relief from losing in the playoffs. [00:54:07] Speaker C: I want to explain this because this is not maybe a popular take, but it's how I felt is that when I. When the Lions lost that game. And then I, you know, I was processing that loss that night, and then I woke up and I did feel a sense of relief because over the past two years of this team and even. Even before this, I would stress out about, like, every freaking game. And some of the games I would stress out for, like, the whole week. I mean, last year in the playoffs, I stressed out about the Rams every single day. It was, like, unhealthy. I had, like, a. A very real unhealthy, like, level of anxiety and stress, not only when I'm watching them, but, like, when. Like, just like. Because I wanted a specific outcome. And this year it didn't help because everybody kept winning. So I kept stressing out because I was like, we have to keep winning because we want to get a home field advantage. We want to do these things. Oh, the injuries are piling up. This is stressful. Oh, my God, what's going to happen? Stress, stress, stress, stress, stress. And so when they lost, I was like, it's done. I'm. It's over. And that sucks. But I'm no longer stressed out. I no longer have all this anxiety. And I actually, like, that's why I felt, like, a sense of relief. And it brought, like, a level of peace in the fact of, like, I might have just watched the greatest season of lines football that they may ever have. And am I okay with that? Because they might never get to the Super Bowl. And I have to accept that reality because winning in the NFL, I believe. I firmly believe, is harder than any other sport because of the fact that by the time you get to the end, you have injuries on a lot of players. These players are tired, they're banged up. And I know other team, like sports have injuries, but I think. I think we can probably agree that football is in a little bit of a league of its own with how physical it is. And then on top of that, you get one chance. It's not best of seven, it's not a lot. [00:56:14] Speaker A: All. [00:56:14] Speaker C: Every other sport, I mean, maybe I don't know about soccer, I'll say that much, but every other sport in mainstream America, you Get a best of three, a best of five, a best of seven, and generally the better team comes out on top. You do not get that in the NFL. You get one game, and if you have one bad game, you're done. And we've seen teams. Green Bay Packers. [00:56:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:41] Speaker C: Wiped out by the Giants. New England Patriots. Wiped out by the Giants. The Lions wiped out by the Commanders. It's freaking nfc. [00:56:48] Speaker B: I'll tell you this, though. It is a bit refreshing to hear you say that because you have been spoken for as, like, the fan of the pod. Like you are the fan. Like, you give the perspective of fan and don't let. Don't let it be forgotten. Fan is short for fanatic. Fanatics are not calm. [00:57:10] Speaker C: No, no, no. [00:57:11] Speaker B: They are not relieved. That word is not used a lot. So it's kind of refreshing to hear you say that because. Vice versa, on the other side, I do not feel relieved from Notre Dame losing. That is a word that would not be in my vocabulary. [00:57:25] Speaker C: And if they. If. If they did this loss in the Super Bowl, I don't know if I would feel the same way either. [00:57:30] Speaker B: Sure. [00:57:30] Speaker C: I think that'd be harder. I think that'd be harder. Which is actually. Which is actually why I was like, thank God we didn't do this. [00:57:38] Speaker B: You're like, the super bowl. [00:57:39] Speaker C: Like that, but awful. To watch this in the Super Bowl, I would have been so depressed. [00:57:43] Speaker B: This is why I'm standing by the take. You do not want to watch the super bowl with other people. [00:57:48] Speaker C: I don't think. [00:57:49] Speaker B: You do not want to watch the Lions, Claire. If they were ever in a Super Bowl. [00:57:53] Speaker C: Claire tells me, she's like, but other people want to watch it with you. [00:57:57] Speaker A: I don't care. [00:57:58] Speaker C: Who cares if I could handle other. [00:58:00] Speaker B: People being there, who cares what they want? It's yours. It's not their Super Bowl. Yeah, it's like the same thing I said last night with Notre Dame. I do not care. [00:58:09] Speaker C: Something that I like kind of struck home a little bit was there's a commercial that I've seen play throughout the NFL season, and it's. I don't specifically know what organization, but it's a mental health commercial. I know that much. And it's the beginning of the commercial is a. As a family, they all got their jerseys on. They're all, like, getting ready to watch the first game of the year. They're all excited. They got food. They're hollering. They're, like, cheering their team on. They're super excited. And then they follow this family they just have a view shot of the living room the entire season. And you see, as the season goes on, like, the room gets messier, it gets darker. There's more. Just, like, clutter all over the place. The people start to look more and more. Like, they get angrier and more upset and more distraught. And by the time the commercial is done, they're just sitting there. One person's going up the stairs. They're just done. It's dark. There's one guy, his beard is overgrown. There's food. The house is a disaster, and he just turns the TV off. And then it just flashes. Like, get help sooner or something like that. And I was like, man, like, what a real commercial to a target audience that feels that. Yeah, I was like, it's a really powerful commercial. And it actually kind of, like, I thought about it when, like, the wine's lost, and I was like, it's. I'm, like, having, like, a moment here about how my fandom works. [00:59:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:34] Speaker C: It kind of helped me come a little bit at peace, the fact that the Lions lost because I was like, you know, there's always next year when. [00:59:44] Speaker B: They win the super bowl with Robert Slot. [00:59:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:46] Speaker B: Let's hear our weekly segment from you here, Kyle. Our weekly segment where you usually dig into the sheets. We got some stats. Let's hear it from you there, Kyle. [00:59:56] Speaker A: All right, dudes, I want to talk about. I. I don't remember if I did this last year or the year before, but I want to take a look at our picks. I want to look at our record. [01:00:07] Speaker C: Oh, God. [01:00:08] Speaker B: How we did this year, Kyle, win. [01:00:12] Speaker C: I'm never super happy about this because I'm always. I think I'm always third. I. I suck at this game. [01:00:21] Speaker A: It's. It's still. You're still on the podium. Okay. You still got the bronze medalist. [01:00:24] Speaker C: Yay. [01:00:26] Speaker B: Every year. [01:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:28] Speaker B: You definitely have meddled. [01:00:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:30] Speaker C: I think I got second ones. [01:00:32] Speaker A: So what I like to do is take a look at the. How good we are individually and collectively at picking the games. [01:00:40] Speaker C: All right, I'm ready to be depressed. [01:00:42] Speaker A: Get to it. It's. It doesn't need to be. I try. We try to make it interesting. We. We. This is. I'm revisiting kind of the way that I did it a few years ago, where we take a look at how good we are at picking specific teams so we can look. Zoom out, big picture. We. For new or. Or old listeners of the pod, remind you how what we've been doing since before we started podcasting, we've been as a group, the three of us picking every single game the entire season, Picking just the winners, not against the spread, just winners and losers of every single game that goes on in the season and keeping track of which of us is getting the most correct and most of those predictions correct. And when we started this, when we started doing this podcast, we added some additional like parameters where every single week we need to pick a lock of the week, we need to pick an upset of the week, etc, those affect the points that we get. And at the end of the season, the person who has the most points gets a free steak dinner at. On at the. Paid for by the other guys who didn't win. So that's just a little contest that we have, but we keep track of the record that each of us and all the picks that we have made throughout the season. You know, so this year I have tallied up our percentages, like how effective we are at actually picking the winner and losers individually and collectively. That against the betting market too. And also how good we are at picking individual teams. Basically a measurement of how well we know each team. And there's some interesting stuff here. So let's, let's dive into that. I've reminded you how we did so this season. I came out on top with the most points. Marshall came in second. Ian got the bronze medal. [01:02:48] Speaker C: Hey, there was a mistake on there. Okay. So it could have affected things. [01:02:53] Speaker A: Oh, really? You found a mistake? [01:02:55] Speaker C: There was the first week we forgot to put in that San Francisco different beat, New York, Giant or Jets. [01:02:59] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay. [01:03:00] Speaker C: Which I had to look back because that was your upset pick. So we never actually logged that in. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Oh, great. [01:03:05] Speaker C: So I could be winning now. [01:03:07] Speaker B: You only got third place by three points instead of four. [01:03:11] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [01:03:13] Speaker C: You're right. [01:03:13] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Anyway, so I looked up because I was interested what chalk was this year, because I wanted to see if you just went the whole season picking the betting favorite, what your winning percentage would be. And I read a little bit about this and apparently this year was very good for the betting favorites. Unusually good. So I haven't been able to research enough to get to benchmark what it normally is, but it was pretty close to historically high on the season where a little over 70% of the time the betting favorite won the game. That is pretty high. That is actually unusually high. [01:04:11] Speaker B: I'd love to know what it is against the spread against the Lions are. [01:04:16] Speaker C: Really bad for that. [01:04:17] Speaker A: Ah, let's see. The favorites were closer to 54 of the time. The favorites won against the spread, but in terms of just win loss, we're looking at. We're looking at almost 71%. [01:04:33] Speaker B: Okay, that's a good one. I like that. Yeah, I like knowing the chalk. [01:04:38] Speaker A: So chalk was 71. But also keep in mind, as I said, it was historically high this season. Usually my understanding is it's somewhere in the 60s. 60s. So you're looking at more like two thirds of the time in most years, the betting favorite will win, and one third of the time there's an upset. Okay, so our record this season as a pod, we were at 64.7% as a pod. That's all right. Okay. [01:05:11] Speaker C: That's all right. I'm not going to be happy. That's better than 50. [01:05:14] Speaker A: A little higher. About a percent higher. [01:05:16] Speaker C: That's a D minus. [01:05:17] Speaker A: If you. If you take away our forced upset picks because you. I will remind you that we have established parameters, so we are required to pick against a favorite at least once every week. So there are 17 upset picks that we are required to play at minimum over the course of the season. So if I. If I removed those, we go up about a percent to. In the 65 to 66 range of the test. So we Pretty close to this. We are pretty good. [01:05:50] Speaker B: We're pretty good. [01:05:51] Speaker A: In terms of picking the winner. [01:05:52] Speaker C: Pretty good. [01:05:52] Speaker B: We are right. We pick chalk. Kyle, come on. [01:05:55] Speaker C: We are collective. We're good. [01:05:58] Speaker A: Yeah. As a group. [01:06:00] Speaker C: We should all have. [01:06:03] Speaker B: We've been doing this for four years. We can pick chalk. We can't even. [01:06:09] Speaker A: That's not. [01:06:10] Speaker B: We can't even pick. [01:06:11] Speaker A: We were. We were a little worse than if we would. We would have done better this year if we had just always picked the favorite. We try. We try and make. We try and be interesting, spice it up. We challenge ourselves to make it interesting. And we also look at each other's picks and try and pick different. Each other. We do each other intentionally. [01:06:31] Speaker C: This is why some of us just fall short every year. [01:06:35] Speaker A: We're really not really that interested. At least I'm never that interested in what the betting favorites are. The only time I ever look at that is because I want to just make sure that one of my picks is actually technically an upset. But other than that, I'm not interested in the betting market. I only really look at, like, what you guys picked and try to pick a little different. [01:06:54] Speaker C: So I got to stop picking first. [01:06:56] Speaker B: I'll be betting 20 bucks on tails this. This year for the super bowl, if you're wondering. [01:07:00] Speaker A: Anyway, about two thirds of the time, we are correct in our picks. And slightly higher than that. The betting favorite is. So that's kind of interesting. I looked at our special picks. Our locks of the week. I came out on top of those. I got 15 correct. Two of them I got wrong out of 17 weeks. [01:07:21] Speaker C: That means. Yeah, that's. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Ian was second best of that. Ian, you got 14 correct and three. Three wrong. Marshall, you hit on 12, missed on five this year. That really hurts. [01:07:32] Speaker C: Record terrible. Hurts. [01:07:34] Speaker A: Who could beat on five locks but Ian, you sucked it upset. [01:07:40] Speaker C: I know. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Your subs. Marshall and I were the same. We were correct on our upset picks 41% of the time. [01:07:47] Speaker C: 41. [01:07:48] Speaker A: 41% of the time. We correctly picked an upset 41% of the time. [01:07:53] Speaker B: I was right 100% of the time. [01:07:54] Speaker A: Come on. How many helpful here? [01:07:56] Speaker C: I got at least one. I see that. I got Washington in there. [01:07:59] Speaker A: You were correct 12 of the time. Under offsets, you got two correct the entire season. [01:08:04] Speaker C: That's pretty bad. [01:08:05] Speaker A: That is pretty bad. Marshall and I got the same number. Seven of them right. Which is actually pretty good because this is. This is an upset that we're picking. We're picking a team that is not favored. And we did pretty good. Almost 42 of the time. We were right. That's not bad for. [01:08:21] Speaker B: That's better than what the odds are against the chalk, which is 30% this year. [01:08:25] Speaker A: Correct. So you might say when it comes to figuring out the most likely offset. [01:08:30] Speaker B: Of the week, you should probably be taking a look at our picks. [01:08:32] Speaker A: Marshall and I know what we're doing here. We figured this out. [01:08:35] Speaker B: Suck it. Ian, would you. [01:08:36] Speaker C: I'm over here. Correct. [01:08:37] Speaker B: Keep going. [01:08:39] Speaker C: There's another mistake. I saw. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Jesus. Somehow Ian's gonna get more and more points in this. Damn. [01:08:45] Speaker C: We had put Kansas City one. [01:08:47] Speaker B: Just stop it. Let's hear his stats. [01:08:50] Speaker C: No, this is funny. It doesn't affect anything. [01:08:52] Speaker A: Okay. [01:08:53] Speaker C: Can't. We picked. We monitored that Kansas City won the game against Chicago and San Francisco. So I just thought that was funny. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Even when the Chiefs don't play, they win. [01:09:07] Speaker C: All right, continue. [01:09:07] Speaker A: My picking record this year was 65.8% best in this crew. Marshall, 64.7%. Thank you. And even 64%. [01:09:18] Speaker C: 64 is not bad, though. [01:09:20] Speaker A: It was pretty cool. The margin between you two was much closer than the margin between. [01:09:24] Speaker C: Are you over there? [01:09:27] Speaker B: You win by four. Do you still win? Thank you. [01:09:32] Speaker A: So what's interesting here, what I really like to look at is our relationship with individual teams. So what this tells us is how well do we actually know These teams in the NFL. [01:09:46] Speaker B: The first year you did this, I've never been able to pick the Dolphins correctly since I was the worst person at picking the Dolphins, and I have been bad at them ever since. I can't wait to hear you say how bad I am with the line with the Dolphins. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Let me just take a look at that. You are. [01:10:02] Speaker C: I bet I know what our best team was. [01:10:05] Speaker A: You are correct. Picking the outcome of a Dolphins game two thirds of the time. [01:10:09] Speaker B: Oh, that's not good. [01:10:11] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:10:11] Speaker B: Not that great. [01:10:12] Speaker A: 66 of the time. [01:10:14] Speaker B: Whatever. [01:10:14] Speaker A: That's pretty. That's. That's pretty average. For what. So that's like, for a team I. [01:10:20] Speaker B: Like to listen to and hear a lot about, I'm average. [01:10:23] Speaker A: You. That's actually probably above average for you because your overall pick percentage is 64.7. And you were 66. Correct. [01:10:31] Speaker B: Slightly. Okay. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Dolphins games. So you're slightly better at that. [01:10:34] Speaker B: You've. [01:10:35] Speaker A: You've gotten to understand. [01:10:36] Speaker B: Do you have like a best and worst? [01:10:38] Speaker A: Of course I do. Of course I do. Let's go. We can do individually or combined first? Let's just go combined first. Okay. The. As a pod, the team that we knew the best. [01:10:55] Speaker C: I already know what this is. [01:10:56] Speaker A: The team we knew the best was the lines. [01:10:59] Speaker C: Yeah, the lines. Which is easy because we kept picking them to win, the most part. And they just kept winning. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Right, Right. So in fact, the highest percentage on this entire chart is me. [01:11:11] Speaker C: Yeah. For 94. [01:11:13] Speaker A: You're looking at these numbers. The number. The top percentage was. I was only wrong one time all season, and that was the Buccaneers game when they lost. So I was correct for every other Lions game because I picked him with a win and I also picked the Bills to upset them. And so that 94 is the top. [01:11:29] Speaker C: This just boded well for me because I was always going to pick the lines every single week. So. [01:11:34] Speaker A: Yeah, and you did pretty good. You were correct. You and Marshall were both correct 82% of the time. On the Lions. Our worst. As a pod. Let's see. The Steelers. As a pod. We were only correct about the outcome of a steeler game. About 53%. [01:11:54] Speaker B: Oh, that sounds bad. Let's hear the individuals here. Kyle. [01:11:57] Speaker A: That is pretty bad. [01:11:58] Speaker B: Best and worst. Let's start with Ian. Can you start with Ian? [01:12:01] Speaker C: Why do you want to start with me? [01:12:02] Speaker B: I just want to hear what you're good at. Start with the best. [01:12:05] Speaker A: Ian was shockingly bad. [01:12:09] Speaker C: I saw that. [01:12:10] Speaker A: Picking Ravens games. Shockingly bad. [01:12:13] Speaker C: I just don't know. [01:12:14] Speaker A: March. Ian went 6 and 11 when it came to picking the outcomes of a Ravens game. And again, this isn't picking. This isn't like whether the team win or lost. This is just whether we were correct in our prediction of the game. You know, whether we pick them to lose and they lost, whether we picked them to win and they won. If we were correct in our prediction, that's what is scored here. And so you were right six times, wrong 11 times. You're way off. This is like I must have kept. [01:12:43] Speaker C: Picking them to loot. I might. I don't know what I. I want. Kind of want to go back and. [01:12:46] Speaker B: See was that our lowest of anybody. [01:12:48] Speaker A: That was the thing that was the lowest of anybody on anything. You were deviations from the mean here. [01:12:56] Speaker C: To trigger me here. [01:12:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:59] Speaker C: It's probably because I would pick them to win games. [01:13:01] Speaker B: You don't like Lamar? [01:13:03] Speaker C: No. Oh, my gosh. [01:13:05] Speaker A: So moving down, what were my best teams? [01:13:08] Speaker C: What were my best teams? [01:13:09] Speaker A: Okay, your best team was the Lions and tied with the Jaguars. Random. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Wow. We need to get you a Jaguars. [01:13:17] Speaker A: Trevor, you were 14 and three. You were 14 and three. Picking the lions and the Jaguars And Tennessee. [01:13:22] Speaker C: And Tennessee. [01:13:23] Speaker A: Oh, my God. And the Titans, too. [01:13:25] Speaker C: So I'm really. [01:13:26] Speaker B: Titans whisperer. [01:13:28] Speaker A: Really good. [01:13:29] Speaker C: End up picking some bad teams here. [01:13:30] Speaker A: Yeah, that's really funny. Actually. I. I want to go over to Marshall. Let's take a look at you. Marshall, you were. You were really good at Lions, Chiefs. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:13:45] Speaker A: And Titans also. [01:13:46] Speaker B: Titans was first. [01:13:47] Speaker A: Let's go 14 and three. That. Those were your teams that you just. You had them pegged every time they played a game. You knew what was about to happen and you got it right 14 times and wrong three times. That's pretty good. But there were a few teams you kind of sucked at. The Niners, the Eagles, and the Saints. [01:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:10] Speaker A: You went eight and nine. [01:14:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:13] Speaker A: Niners, Eagles, and Saints. You just couldn't get right. [01:14:15] Speaker B: I can't pick San Fran. Right. They were like my kryptonite this year. [01:14:18] Speaker A: All of us struggled with the Niners. All of us. [01:14:20] Speaker B: They were my lock a couple times, too, and they lost me. [01:14:23] Speaker C: Kind of makes sense to struggle with the Niners because they had a down year. [01:14:29] Speaker B: And New Orleans was weird, too. Like, you didn't know who was playing at quarterback certain weeks. And you said my other one was Philly. I don't have an answer for Philly. I just suck. [01:14:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:41] Speaker B: How about you? Can we talk about what you suck at? [01:14:43] Speaker A: I think you just thought they would be. I think you thought the Niners would be better Than they were. I think. You thought the Eagles would be worse than they were. [01:14:48] Speaker C: Yes. [01:14:48] Speaker B: I kept saying Nick Sierra and how to fire him. Now he's a game winning streak and just never lose. [01:14:55] Speaker C: I'm surprised. [01:14:56] Speaker B: So what about Washington jumping over people backwards? [01:14:59] Speaker C: Washington's just one that I'm curious about because they were such an interesting team. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Marshall and I were 12 and 5 picking. The outcome of watching you guys, we were really good. [01:15:09] Speaker C: You hit their record. [01:15:10] Speaker A: You were so, so on them. You went 9 and 8. 52 here. Yeah, not so good. Not so good. [01:15:18] Speaker C: Some of these, I'm wondering, like, how much of an effect is the early of this early part of the season when you don't really know some of these teams? [01:15:25] Speaker A: Yeah, you struggle to figure them out and then they kind of confound you. Some of them do. My worst team was the Chargers. LA Chargers. I went 8 and 9. It was the only team that I was under 50% on. And they just kind of confounded me the whole year. I think that, like, I was high on them early and then low on them late or, or something to that effect, but I just kept getting them wrong. Essentially. [01:15:48] Speaker C: I was pretty bad with Seattle too. I went 8 and 9 with them. [01:15:53] Speaker A: Seattle was a pretty surprising team. [01:15:54] Speaker C: Those were Baltimore and Seattle were the only two teams I was below 50 on though. So I'm pretty. I feel pretty good about that though. [01:16:01] Speaker A: That's not too bad. [01:16:02] Speaker B: Sixteen and one picking the Lions. Good job, Kyle. [01:16:05] Speaker C: That is impressive. [01:16:06] Speaker B: Basically, just never picked against him. [01:16:08] Speaker C: Do you have any other stats? [01:16:09] Speaker A: I picked against them when the Bills came and I got that. Right. Yeah. [01:16:13] Speaker B: Say that one more time, Ian. [01:16:14] Speaker C: I was just asking Kyle if he had any other, like, interesting stats here that we can't see or we don't. [01:16:18] Speaker B: Know that you wanted to yank out of this data. [01:16:21] Speaker A: Dada. No, no, not that. Not that is separate from this. I prepared something else, but we just don't have time for it and it wasn't as interesting. So we'll save it for another day. [01:16:31] Speaker B: Okay. I love that we got two games that happen. Thank you, by the way, for breaking that data down for us. [01:16:38] Speaker C: I always like a good review of this season. For us, it's actually really interesting. [01:16:42] Speaker B: It's humbling. Now I'm just gonna. For me, it's like, you know what? [01:16:46] Speaker C: Humbling. [01:16:46] Speaker B: We're not as good as chalk. Like, I'm gonna go talk about that this week when I get back to work. [01:16:51] Speaker A: Like, that was disappointing, but we could figure out how we did in other years because as I Said I think that this was historically good year for chalk, but in previous years I think we may have been a lot more competitive with our picks. And I think a huge factor is the parameters that we set in the way that we make picks. [01:17:11] Speaker C: I'm thinking next year is my year. [01:17:13] Speaker B: I think next year we go with the spreads and we lock it in for the time that we like record the pod. I want to see how good we are against picking the spread. [01:17:26] Speaker A: Maybe we could. Why kicks what ain't broken? We can always talk working out. [01:17:30] Speaker B: We did talk about you should want something new. [01:17:34] Speaker C: We, we talked about the possibility of like, you know, I know some people like the fantasy league stuff, but maybe doing like a pickham's league instead where we actually invite people to join our league and we can pick together. So it wouldn't be just us three, it would be other listeners. So it's a possibility. [01:17:53] Speaker A: Right? [01:17:53] Speaker C: Require some work on our end. [01:17:55] Speaker A: It would be. [01:17:56] Speaker B: I'm willing right now. I'm committing to the fantasy football draft next year. [01:18:03] Speaker C: Wow. [01:18:03] Speaker A: Are you serious? You're going to be in the league? [01:18:05] Speaker B: I'm in only and I'm. You ready for this? Only for people that listen to our. [01:18:11] Speaker C: POD on a regular basis. [01:18:13] Speaker B: If that happens, I'm in. [01:18:15] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [01:18:16] Speaker C: A POD exclusive. [01:18:18] Speaker B: I will obviously allow Marco Baltadano. He's our champion. [01:18:23] Speaker C: The champions. [01:18:25] Speaker A: I don't know that we can. That we can shove him out. Maybe not. Anyway. Yeah, I like that. I'm with you pod listeners. Fantasy League next year. Join us. [01:18:36] Speaker C: We have 14 people. That felt like too many. [01:18:38] Speaker B: I think we need to do 10 and I think it needs to be the people that write into our pod and I think it needs to be people that listen pretty frequently. Okay, you heard it here first. These are the things I'm requiring for me to join it. If they are not done, it's okay. I don't need to be a part of it. Guys, we got two, two good games. Two conference championships coming up. First game, I want to hear who you guys got, Washington or Philly. Is anybody picking the upset? [01:19:06] Speaker C: Kyle, what you thought? [01:19:09] Speaker A: I'm going to pick the upset in both because that's what I want to happen. I want to see Washington and Buffalo go to the Super Bowl. [01:19:17] Speaker C: I have Buffalo winning that game. But like talking about. We're not even talking about any individual game anymore. We're just talking about both of them because he did both of them at the same time. But okay, I'm not taking Washington. I'm taking Philly. [01:19:30] Speaker B: I like Washington. [01:19:32] Speaker C: But you have Philly. [01:19:33] Speaker B: Do I? [01:19:34] Speaker C: You do. [01:19:35] Speaker B: That's going to be changing because I want Washington for sure. [01:19:38] Speaker C: If I'm the only one going Philly then I don't want to actively root for Philly though. [01:19:44] Speaker B: Who would want to do that? [01:19:45] Speaker C: I mean the only reason, the only reason I would ever root for Philly is for Saquon Barkley. But I feel like there's such a one dimensional team on their offense with him. But the commander's defense sucks so he could have a day. [01:20:02] Speaker B: He could break a record. [01:20:04] Speaker C: And Philly's defense is significantly better than the Lions. So I think they and they've seen Jayden Daniels now twice and I'm ready for Casey Buffalo. [01:20:15] Speaker B: If I was excited for Buffalo and Baltimore which it. It did live up, it was a great game. Every this is going to be great too. [01:20:23] Speaker C: If there's one thing I can say about this matchup, we've seen it a lot. Every single time. It's a banger. [01:20:30] Speaker B: I don't think there hasn't been a boring one. [01:20:33] Speaker C: There's never been a born. I know in the middle of the season they play in this past season they. They got up two scores and it was like not big of a as exciting as usual. But the game generally is a grind. It I will never forget the Buffalo KC game. I think it was divisional round when they went to overtime. The 13, the 13 seconds. That game was nuts. Unbelievable. I can still watch parts of like the last 32 minutes of that game. Still great football. I love that kind of football. I pray to God we're going to get that and I hope Buffalo comes out on top on that side this time. I'm ready for Buffalo to go win their first Super Bowl. [01:21:17] Speaker B: Nice. [01:21:18] Speaker C: I want that for them. [01:21:19] Speaker B: Well, we got no pod next week like Erie bros. We're going to give Kyle his his free stake after the super bowl where Kyle will have free steak and chocolate milk in the same place. It's really awkward. [01:21:34] Speaker C: And didn't we do dessert for the one who won the playoffs? [01:21:38] Speaker B: That was not agreed upon. Just because you're winning something doesn't mean. [01:21:40] Speaker C: I'm always good at the playoffs. This is the funny thing. I'm pretty good in the playoffs. What? No. Don't you dare. [01:21:47] Speaker B: No. I want to thank you for listening to the point aft. I want to thank you for listening to the point after for subscribing, for spending 80 minutes with us. You guys are awesome. I hope you have a great rest of your day. Tell somebody you love them and make sure you cheer on a team this weekend that you hope wins. Bye.