Next Year Is Ian's Year

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Order your Romantasy top 100 scratch off poster today for yourself or the reader in your life. It makes a great gift they will definitely love and use. Get 15% off any order on Celebrate Shop while also supporting this show. When you use code pat, that's P a t at checkout on C E L E G R E a t shop. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Welcome to the Point after show with. [00:01:17] Speaker C: Kyle Maurer, Marshall heslaw, and Ian DeWitt. [00:01:21] Speaker B: This is the show where the guys. [00:01:22] Speaker C: Attempt to pick the winners of the weekly NFL games along with some healthy debate about current topics. [00:01:28] Speaker B: Let's go. [00:01:29] Speaker C: We're here. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Hey, buds. [00:01:31] Speaker C: It's a zip. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Is it? [00:01:33] Speaker B: Hey, this is it, guys. [00:01:35] Speaker C: The season's done. [00:01:36] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. You're right. No, I'm pa. What? [00:01:40] Speaker C: You guys ready for the next one? [00:01:41] Speaker B: End of Jimmy Neutron next season. [00:01:42] Speaker C: The next season of Formula one racing. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Whoa. All right. Yeah. [00:01:47] Speaker C: It's coming up in March and I have been thinking about getting into it a little. Little bit. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Really? [00:01:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I've been looking. I, you know, I've been watching some, like, highlights. [00:01:57] Speaker B: Name me one racer. [00:01:59] Speaker C: The Red Bull guy's name, you're right, is like vendor step or something like that. [00:02:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it. [00:02:07] Speaker C: There's. I've been watching a lot of highlights and I'm kind of getting a little interested in watching it. I think it would be fun. [00:02:14] Speaker B: What I like you talking about Max. Verstappen. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Verstappen it. Yeah. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:02:18] Speaker C: And there's snap. There's. What I like that F1 does is they have a streaming app that you can literally pay 10 bucks a month and watch Every single race. [00:02:33] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:02:34] Speaker C: Isn't that kind of. [00:02:35] Speaker B: That is actually. I was like, would you pay 10 bucks to watch every football game ever? [00:02:39] Speaker C: 100%. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Like, to have the ability to go back and watch ever? That'd be pretty sick, actually. [00:02:43] Speaker C: I know, like, the NFL plus exists, but it's not the same. Same. [00:02:46] Speaker B: It's not that. [00:02:47] Speaker C: Because you can literally only do it on your phone, which is tr. [00:02:50] Speaker B: Disappointing. Disappointing. All right, Kyle, hit us with our question of the week. [00:02:54] Speaker A: You guys. This is our officially final episode of this Season of the 2024, 2025 NFL season Last episode, and we're going into the offseason, and listeners of the show will remote recall that we always take a break. [00:03:15] Speaker B: We'll. [00:03:16] Speaker A: You will hear from us a little bit in the off season. We'll check back in with a couple of things, but we're done with football. [00:03:21] Speaker B: But you think we might have some guest hoes? [00:03:23] Speaker A: Guest hoes? [00:03:25] Speaker B: Hosts. [00:03:26] Speaker A: Okay, you mean in the upcoming season? Next year for the. [00:03:33] Speaker C: For the point after or in the off season? [00:03:35] Speaker A: In the off season. [00:03:36] Speaker B: In the off season. [00:03:37] Speaker A: Thank you. Okay, sure. Maybe it's possible. The question to you guys is, now that football's done, there's no NFL real stuff to talk about. What are the topics? Make some pitches. Like an earnest pitch. What are the topics you could podcast about or you would with your homies, Maybe not even with us. [00:03:58] Speaker C: Oh, so this is. Does not have to be football related. [00:04:01] Speaker A: But if I get into the studio and actually earnestly pot about something, what would. [00:04:05] Speaker B: What would I want our listeners to know? That we are going to make a Nerd herd pod. [00:04:09] Speaker C: Oh, yes. [00:04:09] Speaker B: Of which we will have all types of different nerd topics. We might even dump our first episode on this channel just to see if any of our listeners might be interested. Of which all of the nerd variety will be welcomed. None will be ashamed. Except for Star Trek. You may stay home. All right. [00:04:31] Speaker C: What? [00:04:32] Speaker B: I've made an executive order. Each of us get one. You get one, and I get one. [00:04:37] Speaker C: We can never talk about Marvel. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Okay. I'm more of a DC guy anyways. You heard it here first. The nerd heard without Marvel. Besides that, I would be able to do a podcast about my feelings. [00:04:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:04:51] Speaker B: My counselor would want to talk about feelings. By that, I mean I actually. You inspired me, Kyle. You did a podcast privately for your family, interviewing different family members, and I always thought that that was fascinating, the idea of it. I'll be honest with you, most of my family I don't really like, besides a handful and I wouldn't really care to know, but the ones that I do, I'd really wanted. It'd be cool to do that. It'd be fun for the seven of us to listen. Right? But yeah, I thought that'd be fun. I don't know if it'd be fun for other listeners. It'd be Fun for the 7. [00:05:33] Speaker A: It doesn't have to have a big audience, but it would bring you to the microphone again. [00:05:37] Speaker B: That would bring me. That would bring me. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Okay, that's a good one. [00:05:40] Speaker B: You got anything on hearing? [00:05:42] Speaker C: There would be two potential topics. [00:05:44] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:45] Speaker C: That I would go great. That I would feel like, very comfortable making content on. The first one would be books. Like, picking a book, talking about the book, reviewing the book. You can figure out whether you'd want to include series or just individual books. Like, do you include Lord of the Rings as one book, or do you break it down into the three parts? [00:06:10] Speaker A: Sure. Just like a recorded book club kind of thing, kind of. [00:06:15] Speaker C: We're just, like, talking about, like, hey, like a book review almost. [00:06:19] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:06:20] Speaker C: And another one that I would be. I would love to do would be like, a movie on movies specifically. Like, watch a movie and then talk about the movie specifically. Like, what I liked about the movie, what I didn't like. Kind of like a movie review, but more like my own, like, personal thoughts on the movie. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:45] Speaker C: And, like, what I like, because I just watched, like, I love Oscar season. [00:06:50] Speaker A: Oh. [00:06:51] Speaker C: Mostly because it's like, oh, man, I want to see what these movies like. Okay. I see this movie's, like, nominated. I want to know, like, I want to watch it. I want to see. Is this. [00:07:00] Speaker B: Do you go into the media about movies? Like, do you listen to podcasts about movies? [00:07:04] Speaker C: There's a couple YouTube channels I watch about movies. There's, like, a channel that does, like, film studies. That's very interesting. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Those are good. Have you ever heard of Cinephile? [00:07:15] Speaker C: Yes, I have heard of Cinephile. [00:07:17] Speaker B: How about Cinephobe? Cinephobe is where they find movies that are prorated on Rotten Tomato, find out if they had a fair shake or not. And so they watch all movies that are under 40% and then break them down in all very serious matters to see if they should have got a higher rating or lower. I think you'd actually be very fond of it. I'll send you the one that has the. One of the George Clooney nipple suit Batman movie. I'll send it to you later. [00:07:44] Speaker C: I do think that gets a bad rap. [00:07:46] Speaker B: I'll send it to you for private audience. [00:07:48] Speaker C: I. I mean, like, I just watched Nosferatu, the new one. [00:07:53] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:07:54] Speaker C: Mostly because it. I heard good things about it, and so I wanted to watch it. And it was quite good. I mean, it's a little. It's not scary, per se. [00:08:05] Speaker A: The trailer just looked too scary to me. [00:08:07] Speaker C: It's not. It's not really scary. [00:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:10] Speaker C: But it's. I love, like, a good, like in when a movie takes advantage of the medium and, like, really makes something, like, cinematic to watch, like, really experience it. It's like, a big reason why I really liked the new Batman with Robert Panson. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker C: Because I felt like that movie did just a great job of, like, making cinematic moments. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:37] Speaker C: I constantly talk about that movie. Especially when they first turn on the Batmobile. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:43] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. [00:08:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:08:45] Speaker C: What an epic scene. And Nosferatu is very. Has some, like, scenes where you're not like, oh, but it has, like, just some, like, really cool, like, callbacks to the original movie from, like, the silent film. That's very interesting. Like, they have scenes where the movie's in color, but there are scenes at night that they do in black and white. [00:09:05] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:09:05] Speaker C: And it's just really cool. And Bill Skarsgard. Fantastic. [00:09:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:10] Speaker B: All right. How about you, Kyle? What would you pot on besides being a dad? Hashtag dad pod. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Yeah. It's kind of funny. We all have all these interest. I feel like you guys are scratching the surface too. Like, I know particular Marshall you would talk about other if I asked you to do, like, a college basketball pot. You would do it if I asked. [00:09:25] Speaker B: You to do a college basketball. I hate college basketball. [00:09:28] Speaker A: Come on. [00:09:29] Speaker B: I low like you. I asked you before we started if there was any person you hate, you couldn't come up with a person. I'm the entire person of college basketball. I hate. [00:09:42] Speaker A: Goodness gracious. This guy. [00:09:43] Speaker C: That's intense. [00:09:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of a little bit overblown. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Can you give me anything else you think I would do? [00:09:49] Speaker A: You'd probably do one about wrestling. [00:09:52] Speaker B: All right. Keep that on the deal. [00:09:53] Speaker C: Oh, wwe. [00:09:54] Speaker A: You'd probably do a college football pot. [00:09:55] Speaker B: The Royal Rumble. [00:09:56] Speaker A: You probably do a Notre Dame. [00:09:58] Speaker B: I would do it. Listen to three. [00:10:00] Speaker A: Come on. [00:10:01] Speaker C: How do you feel about uso? [00:10:03] Speaker B: Oh, I'm all in main event. J. Yeah. [00:10:07] Speaker A: Okay. I've. I've done many podcasts in the past before point after. This is. I don't know, probably my fifth or sixth different. [00:10:14] Speaker B: Would you say it's your favorite? [00:10:16] Speaker A: Honestly, it's in close contention. It probably is. It probably is at this point. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Ian. It's my favorite that I've ever done. How about you? [00:10:25] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:10:26] Speaker C: Yeah. Hundred. [00:10:27] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Most of the mods I did before were related to my profession in some way, to the industry that I was in. Some of them were pretty serious and others were more whimsical. There's one I did with the Commish listener to this show for a number of years, and we got say we. [00:10:47] Speaker B: Were the favorite when the Commish is out there sitting. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Come on Commission. I. Yeah, we had a lot of fun with our show and we had a loyal following and we did silly songs and raps and jokes about the industry and anyway, I really enjoyed that sort of thing. I love talking about the work that I do when the community that I exist in and my business and the stuff that I study and learn and try and be great at. Oh, and I've been a part of a dad pod with some friends here and talking about fatherly stuff. So that's really fun. But as far as the future, I'd really love to. I would be very interested in maybe the nerdy one, because along with my friends, I mean, you know, we'll debate some kind of nerdy stuff. I mean, we were in it. We were in a debate just the other day about Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. Me and Ian in our. In our group chat. It's true. And that could make great podcast. Podcast material that nobody needs to listen to. But, you know, we're, you know, we're three white guys with some microphones, so we have to podcast. It's kind of obligatory. [00:11:44] Speaker B: Thanks. [00:11:46] Speaker A: Anyway. Craft beer. I would talk about. And Oreos. I would probably do a podcast about. [00:11:51] Speaker C: How many episodes make of Oreos. [00:11:54] Speaker A: More than you think. Probably. [00:11:56] Speaker C: I'd be impressed. [00:11:57] Speaker A: I could probably do one just about the Tolkien verse. I could probably do one about James Bond universe. All of those are, you know, interests. I don't know U of M history. What do you want? I could do one about the city of Jackson. I could do a Jackson pod. [00:12:18] Speaker C: That's interesting. [00:12:19] Speaker A: Is it like that? I feel like. I feel like. [00:12:21] Speaker B: How many subscribers do you think we would get for a Jackson, Michigan pod? [00:12:25] Speaker C: I don't know. Not many. [00:12:27] Speaker A: It'd compete with this one. [00:12:28] Speaker C: You get like, Bart, Holly and hey. [00:12:32] Speaker B: Bart, Holly wishes he had that one after wishes. We need to get celebrate on jtv. [00:12:38] Speaker C: We need to have like all six ads just like immediately like this, you guys. [00:12:46] Speaker A: This episode of the Point. [00:12:49] Speaker B: Just kidding. Just Kidding. Just kidding. [00:12:51] Speaker A: My gosh, that's ridiculous. [00:12:52] Speaker B: What if we played all six of those at once? [00:12:54] Speaker A: The audience to our listeners? [00:12:55] Speaker B: We wouldn't do that to you. [00:12:57] Speaker A: We're pretty far in. And people want to hear about football. [00:12:59] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Best super bowl we've probably ever watched. People want to hear about it. [00:13:05] Speaker B: But to be fair, we did just have a great 12 minutes. All right, let's talk some football, guys. We had the Super Bowl. Your favorite part about the super bowl, besides the ad that had the kid growing up with a cowboy hat made of skin. [00:13:19] Speaker C: That was disturbing. [00:13:21] Speaker A: That was weird. I liked the halftime show the best. [00:13:23] Speaker B: My favorite part, actually. Our first question comes from Raquel Kendrick's stylist. Did him dirty. Those pants looked bad. [00:13:33] Speaker A: Polarizing. They were polarizing. [00:13:34] Speaker C: What were they? I actually. [00:13:35] Speaker B: I like the pants. [00:13:37] Speaker C: I didn't have any problem with the. [00:13:38] Speaker A: Pants, but, yeah, I don't know. There were people who thought that the bell bottom look was a bit much. [00:13:45] Speaker C: And I thought it was fine. [00:13:47] Speaker A: I didn't mind it at all. [00:13:48] Speaker C: There's like, a cool shot of him, like, leaning over with the microphone with his dancers behind him and the bell bottom flares going. I actually thought it looked pretty good. [00:13:57] Speaker A: I genuinely thought he looked pretty cool. The jacket was cool. The whole look, I thought worked. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Anyway, ready for the Drake album? [00:14:06] Speaker C: You guys have thoughts on Kendrick Lamar's Pure for Amance? [00:14:11] Speaker A: I thought it was fantastic. Yeah. [00:14:13] Speaker C: I'm not a big. So I. I don't know Kendrick Lamar. I don't listen to his music. I knew one song, Not Like Us, going into it. That is literally the extent Kendrick Lamar exposure. [00:14:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:29] Speaker C: And so watching that is not my style, if I'm being honest. It's not my style. But what I appreciated about the halftime show, and first off, because I knew the cultural context of not like Us, the tease was kind of funny. Serena Williams dancing was kind of funny. And I thought they. They did a great job of, like, building that up. And then when it hit it, it slapped pretty hard, you know, it was pretty good. [00:14:58] Speaker B: You got the whole Serena Williams part of that. [00:15:01] Speaker C: Yeah, He. She used to date Drake. [00:15:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:15:04] Speaker B: He was, like, obsessed with her. [00:15:05] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:08] Speaker C: So. But I like. So while I can, like, recognize that his version of rapping is not necessarily, like, my, like, go to. I can appreciate. I. I was just like, you know what? This isn't my kind of music. But I love the fact that we have our first solo rap hip hop artist doing a Super Bowl. And so while this isn't my style of music. I love the fact that people are watching this and they get to experience a genre of music that probably should have been more relevant in the super bowl well before this. [00:15:40] Speaker A: Agreed. Amen. Well said. Well said, and respectfully done. And I. I'm. I'm with you in that. I. I am actually a pretty big fan, and I have a tremendous respect for him. I think, like, he's definitively entrenched himself now as like, the ambassador for the culture, you know, like the. [00:15:55] Speaker C: That's. And that's what I actually felt like it was. Yeah, it felt like it was like a very, like, cultural moment. [00:16:00] Speaker A: And it's amazing that he's now having his victory lap right now. This is, like, the ultimate climax for any kind of bash, if you will, or a campaign or. [00:16:17] Speaker C: Is that the first time, like, a straight up diss track has been at the Super Bowl? [00:16:22] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. And what a diss track it was. [00:16:26] Speaker C: I actually felt like the entire performance was a diss track, and I think it flew over people's heads. I think it was like, oh, no. [00:16:34] Speaker A: Yeah, all of it was. I mean, the reason it's all shaped like a PlayStation controller, you know, and the Uncle Sam and all of the moves and the guests and the choreography and the lights and just every. Every element to it was. Was very layer. But that's very on brand for Kendrick to do things that are that sophisticated, that layered. It's kind of a. It's kind of a meme at this point. How much loyal fans. Kendra of Kendrick are, like, dissecting his work and even to an. To going overboard in, like, reading into everything he says. [00:17:07] Speaker B: He just. [00:17:08] Speaker A: You know, it's a joke. He just said, hey. And everybody's like, whoa, there's the deeper meaning, you know, but, you know, a haystack. Yeah. I mean, like, the guy's got a Pulitzer. I mean, it was. [00:17:18] Speaker C: It's a needle in a haystack of our society. [00:17:22] Speaker A: Exactly. It's very much like that. But, I mean, he's a genius. He's. He's a brilliant artist. I think he is deserving of the moment. And. And he rose to the occasion and put on a cool show. [00:17:32] Speaker C: Yeah. It was not my favorite part of the Super Bowl. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Oh, tell us what was the 3P? [00:17:39] Speaker C: The three turnovers. He got his 3P. Come on. Isn't that what everyone wanted to see? The 3P? [00:17:46] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Yeah. You think that everybody is happy right now? All the. All of us kind of like Impartial fans. Yeah. [00:17:54] Speaker C: I think most people are probably just like, this is gonna be the thing. At the end of the day, no one was like, super jazzed about this matchup, and the game itself wasn't that entertaining. If I'm being completely frank, nobody's going to disagree. [00:18:15] Speaker B: A bold Take that for the first time in 728 days that we finally don't have a Chiefs championship. And it wasn't a great game. It was an awful game. It was awful to watch. So it was a blowout. [00:18:27] Speaker C: It was a blowout. And that's why I said it wasn't. So there's two ways you can view this game. You can view it from the entertainment value of like, this is just not fun to watch a team get their absolute butt handed to them, clearly outclassed in every way, shape or form. It kind of validated my opinion, which is why I was glad I picked Philly. Because I was like, the only reason people were picking the Chiefs to begin with is because it's what's like, oh, you know, it's the Chiefs, right? You know, they're. They go, they're gonna have this chief magic. [00:18:59] Speaker A: They did it all season. [00:19:00] Speaker C: They did it all season. You can't cut them out. But. And I felt this way. I was like, man, but on paper, the Eagles are just so much more talented. They're so much better. [00:19:11] Speaker A: Right. [00:19:11] Speaker C: And you know, I was glad that that's exactly what happened. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Did it make you feel validated as a Lions fan knowing that they would have got their butts kicked by the Eagles? [00:19:22] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. You're never going to know. [00:19:24] Speaker B: I heard a few Lions fans say that, and I was like, oh, I. I didn't even think of that until. [00:19:28] Speaker C: I. I really felt like the Eagles were just in a much better place than we were. They were. They were health. They were extraordinarily healthy. At this point in time in the season, they didn't have very many injuries. I think they even got. [00:19:42] Speaker B: Didn't Graham come back playing in the game? [00:19:44] Speaker C: Yeah, he was in the game. So like, even, like one of their star players that was injured came back to play the game. Their defense was phenomenal. I mean, their defense is nuts. [00:19:54] Speaker A: I. I still feel like that's. That's a little bit of coping for alliance fan to. To believe that, because I genuinely think that the Lions had. I'm so upset that they didn't get the championship opportunity like they really deserve. [00:20:11] Speaker C: It's hard to know because it's like you would have. You Would have had the number one offense going up against the number two defense effectively. Maybe even the number one offense or defense. It would have been number one versus number one. We. We have seen that play out in the past, by the way. [00:20:29] Speaker B: And you know what wins championships, Kyle? [00:20:32] Speaker C: Please tell me. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Defense. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Defense. [00:20:37] Speaker C: I live my life. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Go ahead, Ian. I'll let you have the floor. [00:20:42] Speaker C: But. And I was actually, I'm. Sometimes I'm glad we wait a couple days to like, do the pod because it lets me process my feelings. Because once the game was done, everyone was like, oh, you know, does this like, change people's opinions of Jaylen Herzogen? Yada, yada, yada. Is he a top five quarterback? And I'm like, you know, Jalen Hurts played a good game. He played a great game. [00:21:04] Speaker A: His best two games of the season, the last two games of the season. [00:21:07] Speaker C: So I'm not. I am not gonna fault him. I'm not gonna take anything away from Jalen Hurts. He played a great game, 100%. You want to know what he. What this reminds me of the Seattle Seahawks with Russell Wilson. [00:21:20] Speaker A: I actually think that that's a decent comp. And I have heard that comp from. [00:21:23] Speaker C: Others carried like, it's hard to go wrong when your defense is playing at that high of a level that deep. Like, the Philly defense was a terror out there. I mean, they were making Mahomes look like a high school quarterback out there. They made him look bad. People want to say, like, oh, he looked unprepared. Ah, I'm not going to take. You're take. You're giving. You're not giving the Eagle the Deagles. You're not. Yeah, you're not used to be the. [00:21:50] Speaker A: Steagalls, like 100 years ago. Remember that? Yeah. [00:21:53] Speaker C: You're not giving the defense of the Eagles enough credit there. They were all over him. They got. What was the pressure rate? It was like higher than 50%. And they never blitzed, right? They never blitzed. [00:22:06] Speaker B: Zero blitzes. [00:22:07] Speaker A: Zero blitzes the whole game. That's sty. [00:22:11] Speaker C: They were getting pressure with just their front four. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Not Vic Fangio style. That's the opposite. [00:22:16] Speaker A: He's the pressure king. No, he's not aggressive, but he dials. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Them up when he needs to say in zero. That's not him. Think of the Dolphins last year. Blitzed all the time. That was Vic Fangio. Of Vic Fangio. [00:22:31] Speaker A: Sure, sure. [00:22:32] Speaker C: So the defense was all over the place. They have arguably either number one or number two. I. I'd actually give it to the Eagles I think the Eagles probably had the best O line this year in terms of play. They had the best O line. Any quarterback's going to look great with the best O line in the league. You know, they sold out against the run against Saquon. They shut him down. I mean, he didn't. [00:22:55] Speaker B: What period? [00:22:56] Speaker C: Like he did almost nothing. [00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:58] Speaker B: I think at one point it was 25 carries for 56 yards. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's pretty close to his finish. [00:23:02] Speaker B: That. [00:23:02] Speaker C: Which is fine. It's like a small sacrifice the Eagles made. I think the Chief's defense was kind of banking on. Well, we just got to shut Saquon down and force Jalen to throw it. And I think for the most part, that would have worked. The only problem was, is the Chiefs offense couldn't do. They were. There was three and out like every other thing. They were just out there too long and they kind of blew up on them eventually. [00:23:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:25] Speaker C: And what you had a pick six that turned the game to 17 0. And then they. What, did they turn it over or did they. They turned it over right before the end of the half, too. And so you had. And they were like right at like the five or ten yard line. I mean, they got free 14 points just from short. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Can I throw my two cents in here? Ian? I honestly, to piggyback on your point, I just want to hammer home Jalen Hurts played a different game than Mahomes did. Like he played a whole different sport. [00:23:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:59] Speaker B: No quarterback. I think it would take a miraculously terrible quarterback to not win in the shoes that he was in with the line that he was behind with the skill position that he had in the performance that they had in that game. And defense, like, I think it would take what Kenny Pickett throwing the ball into the ground to lose the game. Yeah, it's a stretch. [00:24:27] Speaker A: That's a stretch. His scrambles were hugely impactful. He was the. [00:24:31] Speaker C: He had two big runs. He had two big runs. [00:24:33] Speaker A: All their biggest runs were. Were him. Yeah, you know, he. [00:24:37] Speaker C: And he did. You gotta give. He had a couple darts there. [00:24:40] Speaker A: See, the question. They were pretty good to me is. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Would Kirk Cousins have done it? [00:24:44] Speaker C: Not this season. [00:24:45] Speaker A: I. I doubt they'd be super bowl champions. [00:24:47] Speaker B: Would he have won that game on Sunday? [00:24:50] Speaker A: Oh, that's. Yeah. I don't know. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. [00:24:55] Speaker C: What Kirk am I getting. Am I getting the Kirk before the Achilles or the one after? [00:24:59] Speaker A: I. I don't. [00:24:59] Speaker C: I don't know if it was the one before play. [00:25:01] Speaker A: That game. I think. I think if you're an Eagles fan, you're probably happy with who you have starting under center for the coming years, for sure. [00:25:13] Speaker C: I don't. [00:25:14] Speaker A: I don't feel. I don't feel like anybody's under the illusion that you have, like, one of the best quarterbacks in the game, but I think that they're probably not complaining about some overpaid guy who didn't get the job done. [00:25:26] Speaker C: Yeah, this is kind of why. And it was something I tried, and I'm not. I don't think I did. I was perfect at this. But it's something I want to get better at, though, is I don't want to rank players anymore. Not in, like, a traditional 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I feel like I didn't do that as much this year because I really. The more I have watched and the more I think about it, I'm like. It's really like, okay, who do you want? Who's better, Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen? It's like, dude, you're gonna take either one of them and you're gonna be freaking happy about it. Like, it doesn't matter. Who do you want? Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes? Again, you're gonna be happy with whoever you have because they're both amazing generational talent type quarterbacks. [00:26:10] Speaker B: Right. [00:26:10] Speaker C: There's, like, tiers of players. [00:26:13] Speaker A: It's so fun to rank them, though. [00:26:15] Speaker C: It's fun, but I Even blindly. Okay, okay, all right, I'm gonna name some quarterbacks. [00:26:23] Speaker A: How much more do we have on the Super Bowl? It was a bo. This season's over. I've got. There's other things I want to talk about. You guys have more in the Super Bowl. [00:26:30] Speaker B: I'm good. [00:26:31] Speaker C: You don't want to talk. [00:26:32] Speaker B: I'll say, Jamie, I'm sorry. [00:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah, we're sorry. Jamie, you're a loyal listener to the show, and for that, we respect you and we're sorry about the Chiefs losing. [00:26:41] Speaker C: Oh. I was like, why are we saying sorry? But, yeah, I mean, you know, it's hard to watch your team lose the super bowl after they've won the previous two. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:26:53] Speaker C: And to have like, oh, I'm so sorry. [00:26:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:57] Speaker B: Can I tell you two fun things? [00:26:59] Speaker C: You know what? Yeah, hold on. I'm sorry, Jamie, but I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry that you watched your team lose. Because you want to know what? I have a feeling you actually feel just fine because you're like, ah, we got. We got three Super Bowls in the last, like, couple years. It's. It's all right if we don't get the three Pete. [00:27:17] Speaker B: All right. [00:27:17] Speaker C: All right. You're still in a good spot. [00:27:19] Speaker A: What's with the Heslov family? [00:27:21] Speaker B: We're not allowed to win this year. [00:27:22] Speaker A: No, The Hesslers. Oh, don't like. Will not root for the local team on principle. [00:27:30] Speaker B: More on that in the off season. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Okay. [00:27:33] Speaker B: For the ninth time straight, the team traveling west has defeated the team traveling east in the Super Bowl. 20, 25, 24, 19, 15, 13, 9, 6, 3 and 2. Oh, the team traveling east lost to the team traveling west. [00:27:54] Speaker C: Now, this is going to be an interesting one to measure next year because the game is on the east or the West Coast. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Oh, and so I'll be traveling. [00:28:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So we just might not come with it. Might not count. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Next. Where is it next? [00:28:07] Speaker C: San Francisco. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:28:10] Speaker B: Also, fun stat. Did you know that devonte Smith is the fifth person to win a National Championship, Heisman Trophy and a Super Bowl? [00:28:20] Speaker C: Oh, that is not the stat I thought you were going to say. [00:28:22] Speaker B: He's also now has a touchdown in the super bowl, the National Championship, the SEC Championship, the Rose bowl and the Iron Bowl. [00:28:29] Speaker A: Holy moly. [00:28:30] Speaker C: I thought you were going to mention the fact that he's the only. He's the first Alabama receiver. [00:28:35] Speaker B: He's the first Alabama player to ever score in the super bowl and win it. Isn't it ever score, period. [00:28:41] Speaker C: That's crazy. [00:28:42] Speaker B: That is. Isn't that nuts to think no Alabama player has ever scored in the Super Bowl? [00:28:48] Speaker A: People are listening to this. Probably hate me and think I'm so stupid and don't deserve to be on a podcast about football, but devonte Smith won a Heisman. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:56] Speaker C: Holy cow, was that, like 90 years ago? [00:28:59] Speaker B: He was good. [00:29:00] Speaker A: Well, you gotta be good to win. [00:29:02] Speaker B: But you gotta see that highlight tape. [00:29:04] Speaker A: I feel like I remember the heism. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Reminds me of Jeremiah Smith as best, like five, six weeks of the Buckeye season. [00:29:09] Speaker C: Do you think. I mean. Never mind. It's kind of a stupid question. I was gonna say, like, would Trevor. [00:29:14] Speaker B: Lawrence have won this? [00:29:15] Speaker C: No, no, no. Like, because they gave the mvp. They gave the super bowl mvp. [00:29:20] Speaker B: Okay. [00:29:20] Speaker C: To Jalen Hurts. [00:29:21] Speaker A: Right? [00:29:22] Speaker B: It should have been Cooper DeJean if his birthday. [00:29:26] Speaker C: Pick six. There was. There was a defensive. There was a defensive player that had, like, a high pressure rate in a couple sacks in there. I think he even had the force fumble. They felt like maybe he would have been a better candidate because you can't give the MVP to the whole defense, but, you know, you feel like The MVP was the defense. [00:29:47] Speaker B: Right. [00:29:48] Speaker C: So it's like you kind of want to pick the best player on the defense that night. [00:29:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. [00:29:53] Speaker C: I think, you know, I'm not saying he didn't deserve it. He played good enough to, to earn it. I mean, I'm not. I mean, out of all the offensive guys, I mean, yeah, you can't give it to the O line. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Also, our loyal listener Micah, who is like our Eagles fan, who hasn't said. I don't. I've been trying to get away from swearing. He hasn't said jack shit about the Eagles since. I don't know. At the beginning of the year when I asked him what his take on the. You know what, Micah? I talked to him a week before the superwe goes, hey, remember the take I had? The Eagles are going to stumble at the very beginning and people are going to count them out. And then Jalen hurts going to lead them to a Super bowl championship victory over the Chiefs. Oh, my goodness. Like he gave us some like, prolific thing. And I was like, hold on. And I just was like, I didn't hear from you all year. Come on, man. But I don't know if he listens every week. So I'm like, you know what? I can't get mad via text, so I'm gonna say it. But now he'll really know. [00:30:54] Speaker A: Micah, we want to hear from you. Even, especially even your reaction to that imper impression of you. [00:31:00] Speaker B: I think that's gonna get me in a bad spot. He was gonna smoke some meat for me this summer. I don't know. I think I might just lost. [00:31:05] Speaker C: You know what I really like about the outcome of this game is that Marshall has to live with the fact that Nick Siriani is a Super bowl winning coach and Josh Allen is the mvp. [00:31:21] Speaker A: What a season for you, bud. Yeah. Notre Dame. [00:31:26] Speaker C: All right, we got any more takes? [00:31:28] Speaker A: Nothing else on the subo. I'm done talking. Super. [00:31:30] Speaker C: Do we have any more hot takes? I feel like there was one more in there. [00:31:33] Speaker A: I really want to get to our weekly segment. I'm so excited about it. [00:31:35] Speaker C: Yeah, but I feel like there was another. Was there, Was there a hot take that we missed that we don't want to be rude about? Gentlemen. [00:31:43] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Seth Baxter wrote in and said, okay, this game proved it. Mahomes is not the goat. [00:31:51] Speaker B: Screw you. [00:31:52] Speaker C: Not yet. Not yet. He's still young. I think people forget he's already won three. Super. He's still on pace. [00:31:59] Speaker B: This is the greatest seventh year, seven year stretch of a Quarterback ever. It took a ten year gap of Tom Brady not winning a Super bowl after he won his third to be the fourth. [00:32:10] Speaker C: To be very precise. [00:32:13] Speaker B: Precise. [00:32:14] Speaker A: To be precise. Yes. [00:32:16] Speaker C: He has be clear in all seven years that Patrick Mahomes has been a starter, he has never known anything less than the AFC Championship game. [00:32:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:32:28] Speaker C: So just kind of like, you know, let that sink in and that's something. What, four, no, five, Five out of his seven seasons ended in a Super bowl appearance. [00:32:40] Speaker A: That's pretty crazy. [00:32:41] Speaker B: That's crazy. That's wild. [00:32:42] Speaker C: And that's to start his career. That's nuts, dude. [00:32:46] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:32:49] Speaker C: Don't forget, don't forget what happened with the Patriots with Brady. They had like a, what a lull there where they were always relevant. [00:32:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:58] Speaker C: But eventually they popped off again. You're gonna. I have a feeling you're gonna see that with the Chiefs. Maybe, maybe not, though. Andy Reid might retire, so who knows what that's going to shake out. [00:33:08] Speaker A: But he's the best PED coach in the business. He's still good. [00:33:10] Speaker B: The best. Looks like I've ever heard of anybody that looks like somebody is. Andy Reid looks like a person that would wiggle his fingers at a donut tray and say, don't mind if I do. Makes me Google every time. Let's hear our weekly segment. Ian, give us what we're going to be doing today. [00:33:24] Speaker C: All right, so we're at the end of the season. It's all done. We are going to go through and we're going to hand out some awards of our own. We. We saw the. The NFL honors on Thursday before the, the big game. There were some big awards that got handed out there, but these, I think these are bigger. [00:33:43] Speaker B: These are the big, they might say the biggest of awards. [00:33:46] Speaker C: That's right. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Let's hit them with the first one here. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Ian, you didn't explain what it is. [00:33:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:50] Speaker A: So awards for the stories. [00:33:51] Speaker C: The stories. So these are some storylines throughout the season that we thought were kind of important. We have some before we get to the. The main stories, the main courses. There's some honorable mentions. [00:34:05] Speaker B: Somebody call them appetizers. [00:34:06] Speaker C: Appetizers. Appetizers that did not quite make the cut. We didn't quite know if they were good enough, but maybe still relevant to kind of like say, hey, this was a thing that happened and don't forget about it. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:34:19] Speaker C: The new kickoffs happened. Yep, there was. And as a result of the new kickoffs, there was a significant decrease in the amount of concussions that happened. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Remarkable. [00:34:31] Speaker C: Two storylines that Kind of. And you could even combine Turpin into the kickoff because that dude was a beast on the kickoffs. Oh, from the Cowboys. [00:34:41] Speaker B: Any other honorable mentions? [00:34:44] Speaker C: So the. We. We didn't really know what to say about the Chiefs, but they had a. [00:34:47] Speaker B: Weird season and just strange wins. [00:34:49] Speaker C: Just strange wins. [00:34:50] Speaker B: It was short wins. [00:34:51] Speaker C: It was a strange thing. Didn't quite know how to. [00:34:53] Speaker B: Small margins, how to capitalize on that. [00:34:56] Speaker C: And the one that I actually thought was noteworthy was just the Rams defensive rookies, kind of, especially down this stretch, really turn it on. [00:35:07] Speaker A: So much for F them picks. [00:35:08] Speaker C: Yeah. Like their picks turned into actual good players. [00:35:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:11] Speaker C: And now they're apparently selling out and getting rid of some of their best players in Cooper Cup. I don't understand that one, but that's a different story. All right, so we're gonna go through some awards. And, you know, I'm a Lions guy. You guys know this. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Give me a couple lines. Awards here. [00:35:26] Speaker C: Ian, I got two Lions awards to give you. One is a more positive one. One's a little bit. Maybe not so positive, but it felt noteworthy. Let's start with the positive. The Lions get the Tricky Daddy award. [00:35:41] Speaker B: Trick daddy. [00:35:42] Speaker C: Trick daddy. What's that? What's that? Oh, what's that song? [00:35:47] Speaker B: Oh. [00:35:54] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. They had the Lions. I mean, I know their season didn't end the way they wanted to. They sported the number one offense in the league, and it was just a bunch of fun plays. They totally just made the Cowboys look like a high school team with some of their trick plays. Panay Sewell was about to throw a pass and then just trucked through some people for a net loss of a couple yards, and people loved it. [00:36:23] Speaker B: It just made me smile. That's. That's the award. They made me smile. [00:36:27] Speaker C: Fumble. [00:36:28] Speaker A: Fumble. [00:36:28] Speaker C: Fumble. It was great. [00:36:30] Speaker A: It was great. I've rarely. I can hardly remember in history a team that was more fun to watch for an entire season than the 2024 Lions were. [00:36:40] Speaker C: They were. [00:36:40] Speaker A: It was musty TV every week. [00:36:42] Speaker C: They were prime. They were prime. [00:36:43] Speaker B: But the other side of that sword. [00:36:45] Speaker C: Is the lines also earn. If you've ever watched Monty Python, the Black Knight Award. Tis but a flesh wound. Get over here. [00:36:55] Speaker B: Bite your arm off. [00:36:56] Speaker C: Gosh, man. Everyone knows they had the most amount of people on the ir. [00:37:03] Speaker A: What are you gonna do, bleed on me? [00:37:05] Speaker C: Yeah. They had 22 people on IR at one point, a vast majority on their defense. We all know how that ended for them. So they. They held it together for a good portion of that season, which is why they get the Black Knight award, but. [00:37:20] Speaker B: I almost feel like they could be the duct tape award. They were just held together by none but scotch. [00:37:25] Speaker C: It came apart at the end there, though. [00:37:26] Speaker B: Yeah. But it saddens me to give out the Jean Valjean award. You know, we're talking about somebody that had just quite the redemption. Redemption arc, some might say. And that goes to Nick Sirianni. I wanted him fired. So does all of. Probably 75% of the people that are going to be at the. What is it where they drive up and down the street, the people sing. I'm so over them. So I'm over him. But I had to do that. The other one I wanted to give out because you might hear I didn't have much voice this morning. I sounded like this when I woke up. The mono Award. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Goes to Sam Darnold. [00:38:12] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:12] Speaker B: You know, because he had mono before. [00:38:14] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Also had a pretty notable season. He was hoisted on shoulders. Three weeks later, Justin Manson wanted him removed from the premises. [00:38:24] Speaker C: I've never seen a player go from being like, hoisted and. Hold on. [00:38:30] Speaker B: Did you really? Because Jameis Winston, that's every week he plays. First quarter hoisted. Second quarter, fire him. Third quarter hoisted. Actually, it could be third pass. [00:38:39] Speaker C: Winston's a different story. [00:38:41] Speaker B: We'll get to him in a little bit. I think we're going to talk. He's. He deserves a segment on her. He does a part of our segment. Hit us with a couple other awards here, Kyle. [00:38:49] Speaker A: I'm gonna say that the started from the top now we're here award goes to the Washington Commanders. And I award them this notable prize because I think they went about a turnaround in the right way. This is evidence the rest of the knee. The league should be on notice that the. Possibly the best way to turn a franchise around. Clean House at the top. [00:39:19] Speaker B: Get rid of your owner. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Start at the top. [00:39:21] Speaker B: It makes Kyle smile. Any idea of an owner losing something he really wants. [00:39:27] Speaker A: And the results speak for themselves. You're oust the worst owner. And that team is now. Now the gem, the star, the. The focal point of the league now the bright future of the NFL because we've ousted a terrible owner like Clean House. All these. A lot of other franchises should be taking notice and saying maybe. Maybe our problem is not like we need to pay what other. [00:39:52] Speaker B: And your owners should be covering up any idea or thought of their team doing this because don't look at them. You need to pay attention to the. You know, the Steelers, they've never had a losing season. Same owners Come on. Keep it in the family. [00:40:09] Speaker A: It's all for. It's all for now because they. They hold all the power. They are not losing any sleep. [00:40:15] Speaker C: What? [00:40:15] Speaker A: They have power. They have all the power. Very concentrated power, but still, it's amazing what happens when you clean house and start at the top. [00:40:26] Speaker C: I can think of a couple teams that should maybe consider doing this. [00:40:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah? [00:40:30] Speaker C: Maybe a certain team in Texas might want to consider doing this. [00:40:34] Speaker A: I agree. Those Texans, man. [00:40:37] Speaker C: We. We. All right. I got an award. This is a weird one you get. You bear with me here. The Pamela Anderson Award. [00:40:45] Speaker B: What? [00:40:47] Speaker C: I did not approve of this name. [00:40:49] Speaker B: Somebody likes to jog. [00:40:53] Speaker A: Take me to the beach. [00:40:54] Speaker C: It's a bust. Oh, but wait, it's not a bust. [00:40:57] Speaker A: The best kind of bus. [00:40:58] Speaker C: The best kind of bust. [00:41:02] Speaker A: Keep on going. Don't stop. Hold it together. [00:41:06] Speaker C: Maybe we should rename this the Christian Cristiano Ronaldo Award because of his bust. [00:41:10] Speaker A: Oh, okay. [00:41:11] Speaker B: I never thought of that one. [00:41:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Who would have thought of that? That would have been a much better title for this award. It's Bryce Young. [00:41:17] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:41:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:19] Speaker C: Bryce Young. Come on. This dude gets benched mid season. We all agree he's a bust for several games. Everyone is like, you are the worst. Comes back. [00:41:29] Speaker A: Who? [00:41:30] Speaker B: Not the worst. [00:41:32] Speaker C: Who is this guy? [00:41:35] Speaker A: I think we were gonna say this. [00:41:39] Speaker C: This guy literally went from, like, crying on the field because he was trying so bad to being. [00:41:46] Speaker B: You would think we prepped for this pod the way we just did that in unison. You'd think we actually prep for this pod way more than we really do. [00:41:55] Speaker C: Don't let people into our secrets. [00:42:00] Speaker B: Can you give me another Wardian? [00:42:02] Speaker C: Yeah. This is, I think, my personal favorite award. If I had to give an award for the biggest storyline of the season, this would be it. [00:42:12] Speaker A: I agree. [00:42:13] Speaker C: This is the number one story of the season. You've heard it. It's the Hard Knocks award. And if you watched Hard Knocks before the season, you would have watched Giants ownership, gm, coach, or a body in that room talking about Saquon Barkley. And what do we do with Saquon Barkley? And what did they do? They took a shot that no one was going to buy him and that he wasn't going to leave. And the guy. Was it the owner of the gm? I think it was the owner. [00:42:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:44] Speaker C: Was on record saying he's going to have trouble sleeping at night if Saquon Barkley, their most popular player, goes to the Philadelphia Eagles. And what did he do? He not only went to the Philadelphia Eagles. He went there once, isn't even over there anymore. So it's not funny. [00:43:06] Speaker A: I left. I left. I like it. Philadelphia reference. Okay, continue. [00:43:11] Speaker C: He not only went over to Philly, a division rival. A division rival, but he then proceeded to have one of the most prolific rushing seasons of a running back we've ever seen, especially in modern history. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Right. [00:43:30] Speaker C: Very close to breaking the record. He did, in fact, break the rushing record for regular and postseason combined. [00:43:39] Speaker A: Incredible. [00:43:40] Speaker C: And he won a Super bowl in his first year out of the New York Giants. Saquon Barkley, I. You deserve just a. [00:43:49] Speaker B: A good applause just for me. [00:43:51] Speaker A: And this whole story of, like, how the. And then meanwhile, the Giants are the worst team in the NFL. [00:43:58] Speaker C: They are. [00:43:59] Speaker A: They get the number one pick, do they not? [00:44:01] Speaker C: No. Titans do. [00:44:02] Speaker A: Oh, the Titans do. The Giants are very close. They were very close, but the Giants were an absolute disaster. [00:44:08] Speaker C: The teams that were bad this year were really bad. [00:44:10] Speaker A: Really bad. The Giants were a total train wreck. And now there's just, you know, this abundance of entertaining public evidence of how much of a mismanaged organization they are. [00:44:25] Speaker C: No team is ever gonna agree to do a Hard Knocks like that again after that. [00:44:31] Speaker A: I think you're absolutely right. Like, because it's so funny that of all the years, like, that's the year and that's the team that we got to see inside that room for some of the most freezing cold takes and the. The clips. [00:44:46] Speaker B: But I want to be in the room where it happens with that stuff because we saw the one side of it. I want to see the other side of it. I want to see the team that gets sake one. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Well, yes, that would be really awesome. And I. And I hope actually that you're wrong. That some teams will sign up to. Yeah. To do it because I. I do think it's fascinating. It's made great content. In fact, I think I love. Argue that a lot of that has been more interesting than some of the other Hard Knocks in the past where we're just seeing training camp, whatever, yada, yada. Oh, like, it's crazy. This GM stuff like, that's fascinating and impactful. So I'd love to see more. [00:45:19] Speaker C: You got to give credit to Hard Knocks because they. They do some pretty good work. I. I'm pretty skeptical. I'm not sure as a fan of a team, I would appreciate Hard Knocks being in my. My team's business during the season. [00:45:36] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:37] Speaker C: I can. I feel like that might be a distraction. [00:45:40] Speaker B: Notre Dame had hard. Basically the Hard Knocks version of it with NBC. [00:45:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:45] Speaker B: And I loved it. Like I got more access than I ever thought I would have. And this is like saying I. There's never been a hard knocks team winner, super bowl. And sure, Notre Dame didn't win a natty, but they won more than they ever have with doing it. [00:46:03] Speaker C: It was just. But I will say, as distracting as it could be watching the AFC north clips, it was very well done. And it was really interesting when the Bengals and the Steelers were going to be playing each other and they did. [00:46:19] Speaker B: Like access they had was great. [00:46:21] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. The montage they put together of them talking about different players and like people and then flashing immediately to that team and then talking about the opposing things that they're talking about doing. It's like this is. It was really cool to watch that. [00:46:36] Speaker A: It was very good. [00:46:37] Speaker C: I love you just like as fans. You like. Oh, man. That's the stuff you love. [00:46:41] Speaker B: Speaking of things we love, let's talk about the boot scoop boogie award. I'm talking about Alan Jackson. [00:46:48] Speaker C: I don't even know you get it. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Alan Jackson, a country singer. You think I don't have experience in the. [00:46:55] Speaker C: I don't. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Disappointed in you. [00:46:56] Speaker C: I don't like country music. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Bring the same energy to him. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:00] Speaker B: All right. What it goes to Lamar. Lamar and Josh Allen. Just the MVP race. We've gone on about it many weeks. I'm not going to get carried on about it. There we go. I'm skipping next to the. No, we're not off season award. The Eber Fluss award. [00:47:16] Speaker A: No, it was the doctor. [00:47:17] Speaker B: I know. I'm just teasing. See, I did that because it was bad timing. It was a good joke. Okay. The Doctor who award. You get it because Doctor who. Time time machine, Time management, clock management. [00:47:30] Speaker A: Spell it out. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Goes to Eber Fl for how bad he did against the Lions. And in general, flu would really need. [00:47:36] Speaker C: It spelled out like that. [00:47:37] Speaker B: Do you think Eber flu sounds like somebody that you would rather have as a plumber or as a mechanic? [00:47:44] Speaker A: Eber flu plumbing that actually he should be cleaning chimneys. [00:47:49] Speaker B: No, I wouldn't. [00:47:50] Speaker A: The flus. [00:47:51] Speaker C: I feel like he should be like a dentist. [00:47:53] Speaker B: No, I would rather have Patricia cleaning. [00:47:55] Speaker C: Eber flu here telling you to Eber Fl. [00:48:02] Speaker A: All right, I think we're losing listeners by the minute. [00:48:06] Speaker C: Kyle, do your second. [00:48:07] Speaker B: Speaking of things people won't agree with, Kyle, give us your award. Next. [00:48:11] Speaker A: The peanut butter and pickle sandwich award. [00:48:13] Speaker C: Goes to the Absolutely disgusting. [00:48:16] Speaker A: It's actually so. It's one of my favorite sandwiches. I love the peanut Butter and dill pickle sandwich. And I've had it since I was young. I heard you thinking to it, and I. I would. I would eat one right now if you served me one. Peanut butter and dill pickle. That's it. It's very simple. It's very good. I think it's great. And I have evangelized this particular sandwich to a lot of people, to my own children. [00:48:34] Speaker B: Evangelized. [00:48:35] Speaker A: I have. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Look at the vernacular you're using. [00:48:38] Speaker A: I've introduced this sandwich to a lot of different people, and invariably the result is the. The expectations are extremely low, where everyone said, oh, that's gonna be. There's no way you're getting me to eat that. And reluctantly, I can. I can be persuasive at times if I need to be. Maybe not so much on this podcast, but in certain contexts, I can convince you to take a bite of a sandwich you might think is trash. And every person who does says, well, actually, it was okay. Yeah, it was not that bad. I love it. But everybody else says, thought it would be terrible, but it really wasn't that bad. So. The peanut butter and jelly. The peanut butter and pickle sandwich award goes to the Denver Broncos. [00:49:19] Speaker C: Look at that. [00:49:19] Speaker A: For starting at the floor with expectations and exceeding them. [00:49:25] Speaker C: Wow. Really? They really bucked up. Yeah, they really ponied up. [00:49:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, they. What did they do? They. [00:49:37] Speaker C: Wow. That was. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Oh, I was trying to think of. Let's ride. Let's ride. That's it. Broncos country. [00:49:46] Speaker C: Oh, that's right. [00:49:47] Speaker A: That's trying to. [00:49:47] Speaker B: That's what you were trying to get. When you. Please rewind. 15 seconds to. [00:49:53] Speaker A: Okay, stop. We're torturing our list. [00:49:56] Speaker C: Go to the next one. [00:49:57] Speaker B: The beginning of the be. The Orai being made in Lord of the Rings made the same noise. [00:50:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:04] Speaker B: All right, the next award. [00:50:05] Speaker A: Oh, this one's appears to be called the Icy Hot award. [00:50:10] Speaker C: Sorry. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Why? Because backs are back. Specifically running backs. [00:50:18] Speaker B: If that didn't make you smile and you're a listener, you, sir, could go to hell. [00:50:24] Speaker C: Who made that joke? I don't know. [00:50:27] Speaker A: I didn't even notice that one before until it was you. I didn't. You did that. I did not put that in. [00:50:34] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:50:34] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:35] Speaker B: It was me. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Anyway. Running backs. [00:50:37] Speaker C: Let me tell you my joke. [00:50:40] Speaker B: We had a whole week podcast about running backs losing their value, and here we are. [00:50:44] Speaker A: Kyle, I know we've talked about it a lot. It's been a running narrative, like it's a whole story. I was just. Freakonomics did an episode about this about the devaluation of the running back. And of all. All the positions in football, the. The proportional increase in their salary has been the lowest or it's been the smallest increase over time relative to all other positions. So as the league continues to grow, as salaries increase for all positions, the slowest growing salary is the running back effectively decreasing and decreasing in monetary value. [00:51:14] Speaker C: Do you think this is just a question. Do you think the running backs success and thusly their cost is directly correlated to the O line they have. Because if you have a bad O line, of course, of course their value goes down because their production naturally goes down. [00:51:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think anybody can argue that. [00:51:36] Speaker C: Who was the. Oh, who was the running back? Who left? Who was he? Oh, he was great. And then he left and he went to the Jets. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Oh, Dalvin Cook. [00:51:49] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no. He. Le'Veon Bell. Le'Veon Bell. [00:51:52] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:51:53] Speaker A: After his holdout, fantastic with the Steelers. [00:51:56] Speaker C: Came back, played for the jets and they were. He was terrible, but right. He. [00:52:01] Speaker A: It happens. There's a. There's a lot of examples of. Of backs running off, falling off at a certain point. But this, this season I thought was kind of interesting because in the past off season, we saw a lot of notable running backs change teams. You know, I think there's a pretty long list. And then a lot of them had really great seasons and were pretty impactful for their team. Did not just like patent the stats for themselves, but their teams did overwhelmingly quite well. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Kyle, do you want to know what I love about you? [00:52:29] Speaker A: What? [00:52:30] Speaker C: Every single moment you start talking, I feel like you're about to open up a spreadsheet. [00:52:35] Speaker A: Maybe I am. How do you know I don't have a spreadsheet right now? [00:52:38] Speaker C: Let me get my spreadsheet out for you guys. [00:52:40] Speaker A: Let's just look at the data. [00:52:43] Speaker B: I've been crutching data over here. [00:52:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So I got a list of like some of the players that. [00:52:48] Speaker C: And no one does a better Kyle impression than Kyle. So I actually. [00:52:54] Speaker A: I loved that Derrick Henry changed teams. Here's just the list of the players. [00:53:00] Speaker C: See, he's actually doing it. He's doing it. He's doing it. [00:53:04] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:53:05] Speaker C: Go ahead. [00:53:05] Speaker A: Doing a thing. Should I continue? [00:53:07] Speaker C: Yes, I will continue. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Okay, here's just a list of the players who changed teams. [00:53:12] Speaker B: I love you, man. [00:53:13] Speaker A: Okay, running backs who changed teams this previous or recently and how they performed relative to their history. Lastly, Derek Henry had his second best season of his career. Derek Henry is already King Henry before he came Here he's already one of the best backs we've ever seen. [00:53:32] Speaker C: A lot of people thought he was not going to be what he used to be. [00:53:36] Speaker A: A lot of, a lot of people. [00:53:37] Speaker B: Thought he wasn't going to be good unless he was, you know, behind like somebody in an eye formation. Right. [00:53:43] Speaker A: A lot of people, we're not naming names, but a lot, a lot of people. Derek Henry comes out and has the second best season of his entire career. In his first season with the Ravens, Saquon Barkley had his best takeaway. Barkley was already in the upper echelon, was already recognized as one of the best backs in the league. He comes out and has his best ever season and his first with a new team after transferring, so changing teams. Josh Jacobs had his second best season of his career transferring over to the packers, who are one of the most run heavy teams in the NFL. And he performed, he put up, he looked great. Meanwhile, Aaron Jones leaves the packers, goes to the Vikings, has the second best season of his long career as well. These are veteran guys who've played a lot of seasons. Joe Mixon has played a lot of seasons. He had the fourth best season of his career transferring over the Texans and he's been in the league a lot longer than I think many of us realize. James Conner has been in the least a long time. Eight seasons he's played. This was his best season ever. This was his first number one season of his career as he transferred over to the Arizona Cardinals. [00:54:42] Speaker C: Wow. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Tony Pollard, best season of his career. He had the best season of his career as he transferred over the Tennessee title. [00:54:49] Speaker C: Eckler to the Commanders. He played pretty well over there too. [00:54:52] Speaker A: Austin Ecker had an all right season. Wasn't like sniffing a thousand yards for the year, but he was a valuable player for the. [00:54:58] Speaker C: I know they technically were both at the Lions already at the start of the season, but the that running back duo made the Lions offense run. [00:55:06] Speaker A: I'm looking especially at that, that top five, Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Jones and Mixon. Those are all playoff teams. Those are all run heavy teams. Those are teams that were significantly impacted by the addition of a bell cow back playing for them. So as running back position undervalued, is it in for a resurgence? Our team's going to approach the free agency in the draft a little differently this year because of the seats. I don't know, maybe that's a little bit overblown, but it was interesting to watch how significant that position played a role in the 2024, 25 season. [00:55:41] Speaker C: For sure. Speaking of a role of sorts. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Go on. [00:55:48] Speaker C: There is. We got an award here. This is called the Born. For this award, Jameis Winston needs to be in sports media. This man is a gem. I watched almost every single, like, clip of him from like his time in New Orleans and it was, oh my gosh, amazing. I mean, I watched Captain Jamo Jameson Winston. [00:56:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:18] Speaker C: Hunting for treasure into the bathroom. [00:56:21] Speaker A: Did you see him when the guy was like, did you ever play special teams? And he's like, imagine you're looking at the moon and there's all 11 ostriches running at you. [00:56:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:30] Speaker A: And you got a piece of corn on your chest. Like. He comes up with the craziest stuff. [00:56:35] Speaker C: Yes. [00:56:36] Speaker B: I love him. [00:56:37] Speaker C: He is. [00:56:37] Speaker A: I adore him. [00:56:38] Speaker C: He is unapologetically himself. [00:56:40] Speaker B: Yes. [00:56:41] Speaker C: And I love it. Every second of him. When he. There was a clip of him sitting down at a restaurant eating a beignet in the shape of a W and he had like a 20 minute conversation with this beignet before he finally ate it. Some of the questions he was asking some of the guys was like, at media night. [00:57:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:04] Speaker C: Was hilarious. He's great. I know he wants to Saquon where. [00:57:08] Speaker B: He should be a quarterback next year. And he said the Giants. [00:57:12] Speaker C: I just think, I mean, I don't know. He's not starter worthy. I think we all know that. And I hope someday we just get more. I just want more, Jameis. I just want more of it. [00:57:25] Speaker B: Hit us with our last award, Kyle. [00:57:27] Speaker A: Completely agree. And the King of the north award. Well, is this actually a fitting title? Basically the interesting storyline for this season was just how incredibly dominant and strong the NFC north division was. Much more than we really anticipated. We. We expected it to be a battle. We made some predictions in the off season that this is going to be interesting. Maybe those Bears are going to like be spicy and then the. The packers and Lions and so on. We did not expect the NFC north to be officially like the best division in the NFL. [00:58:06] Speaker C: Not only the best division in the NFL. This was statistically the best div. Football history. [00:58:11] Speaker A: That's wild. That is wild. [00:58:14] Speaker C: And for the final game of the season, legendary. Like let like a epic moment to like win the North. You have to play the final game of the final regular season Sunday night. Y both teams going in with 14 wins. Loser hits the road. Winner takes the number one seed. Crazy. [00:58:34] Speaker A: You have a 14 win team as a five seed. [00:58:37] Speaker C: Can we just ignore what happened in the playoffs? [00:58:40] Speaker A: Yeah, right, you can. Because for the regular season it was wild. And it was. It didn't play out exactly as we thought it would in every regard. But it was interesting to see and it was so cool because, you know, we've grown up in the NFC north division our whole life. We've always been watching Lions and Packers, the Vikings and Bears all these years and never have we come anything close to this where it's like hugely competitive and there are several teams being in the like Lombardi conversation. [00:59:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:59:10] Speaker A: This is crazy. And it actually looks like the future is bright. These teams are. These. There are great coaches in this division. I think some of the best coaches in football are in the NFC North. If you had to stack these four. [00:59:22] Speaker B: Up, minus Ben Johnson. [00:59:23] Speaker A: The other four. [00:59:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Ben Johnson's going to have to prove himself over there. I'm not. [00:59:27] Speaker A: He's got to prove it. He's got to prove himself. [00:59:29] Speaker C: He's a head coach. [00:59:30] Speaker A: It's a. He's a first time. He's an unproven head coach. But the other three are great head coaches. 100 and there is a lot of. There's a lot of young talent in this division. We might be in for the glory years ahead of the NFC North. [00:59:42] Speaker C: The black and blue division's back. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:45] Speaker A: It's kind of fun. Anyway, enough about that. That's cool. Anything else? [00:59:50] Speaker C: I think that's. We don't have picks. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Those are the stories. This is when you look back years from now on 20, 24. What happened then? These are the stories that we will remember. Oh yeah. That was the year of the. Of the back hurdle, the backwards hurdle. Oh, you know, the. [01:00:05] Speaker C: The Jaden Daniels Hail Mary. [01:00:07] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow. [01:00:09] Speaker C: Play the year. [01:00:10] Speaker A: Yep. [01:00:11] Speaker B: The Beers receiver yelling at the crowd and then getting the Hail Mary throwing on him. [01:00:16] Speaker A: AJ Brown reading a book. [01:00:17] Speaker C: We didn't even include the Bengals. Joe Burrow trying to recover from that terrible defense. I mean imagine if they snuck into the playoffs. [01:00:27] Speaker A: I know. [01:00:28] Speaker C: I think they could have done some damage. [01:00:30] Speaker A: That's true. [01:00:30] Speaker B: I think the Bengals could beat the Eagles right now. They play next week. [01:00:34] Speaker C: No. Their defense is terrible, but. [01:00:35] Speaker B: All right, fine, fine, fine, fine. Nothing else we want to talk about, guys, before we go. [01:00:40] Speaker C: Guys, it's been a good season. [01:00:42] Speaker A: It has been. I love you guys. [01:00:43] Speaker C: I want you to know I'm sad that things for. For both of us, Kyle or Marshall, didn't end the. The way we hoped. [01:00:52] Speaker A: Better luck next year, guys. [01:00:53] Speaker C: Next year. That's what they want. [01:00:54] Speaker A: I want to thank the fans. I want a tribute to the fans of this show. Our loyal listeners are there with us. Every week. [01:01:01] Speaker C: The reason we do this next week, Kyle gets his steak because he won. [01:01:06] Speaker A: Thank you for bringing that up. [01:01:08] Speaker C: But I just want to mention that. [01:01:10] Speaker B: I want to thank you for listening to the point after. We want to thank the listeners. [01:01:17] Speaker C: Only one to pick the eagle. [01:01:20] Speaker B: For listening to the show. This is the part where I tell you thank you. I've been doing this every week, and I don't just tell you thank you at the end of the year when everybody can say thank you. I do it every week because you guys are great. No, I'm talking to you. You know who I'm talking? Come on. I'm talking to you. For the last little bit here. I want you to do me a favor and just listen real carefully to the end here. You ready? Come on. Let's end this season the right way. Ready? Do it with me, guys. You ready? [01:02:02] Speaker A: What? [01:02:02] Speaker B: Come on. [01:02:03] Speaker C: What are we doing? [01:02:03] Speaker A: What are we doing?