Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to the Point after show with Kyle Mauer, Marshall heslaw, and Ian DeWitt. This is the show where the guys attempt to pick the winners of the weekly NFL games along with some healthy debate about current topics.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: Hey, Marshall.
[00:00:16] Speaker A: Kyle, Mild friend.
Hello, Marshall.
[00:00:20] Speaker B: Yes, hello. Welcome back into the studio.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: Little Tom. What's the. What's the guy's name off of Lord of the Rings? Tom Bombadil. Bombadil, right, right. Introduced to him last a couple years show. What a guy.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: Never got that far in the. In the show. Sorry, I need to. I need to get back to it.
[00:00:37] Speaker A: I'll shut up. Kyle and I are doing the man to man defense right now. That's right. And Ian is out sick. It's just kind of been a wonky season for our podcast. Some sickness, some busyness, and you know what? Life happens. Hope you feel better, Ian.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: Let's do. I like the one on one. I like the Mono Emano podcast.
I kind of enjoy. I don't know if you really do. I mean, I miss. I miss, you know, having our threesome, but. And it seems like it's been a long time. When was the last time the two of you were together in this studio?
Because it ain't me.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: I'm sure it was tentious.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: I'm still.
You guys haven't done a podcast without me.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: So you're available next week to pot is what you're saying.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: I am not. You gotta do it. Are you gonna try it? Are you guys gonna. This is gonna be the first pod without me.
Y' all should try it.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Just kidding. Let's get to our question of the day.
So I fill in because this. We need to put this chock full because we're not gonna have a pod next week.
[00:01:35] Speaker B: Yeah, we really gotta cram. Yeah. As much action as we can. Just kind of like the football weekend.
[00:01:41] Speaker A: I'm gonna talk about what's happening next week later as well.
[00:01:43] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: So they're gonna get a little bit of 2 for 1 on this.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: Excited about that. In lieu of our question of the day that we usually, like, do our cold open for the episode with, I thought maybe you and I would try and play this hip new game that I've been hearing about but haven't had an opportunity to play with somebody.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: It's very simple. My understanding is it's called Mind Meld or something like that. And I heard about it from a band that I love called Lucius, which is in my mind kind of the quintessential. Quintessential band. That is so good. But you haven't heard of them like that. Yeah, yeah. The kind of band that I can sound pretentious when I talk about you.
I try to. I try to. It takes. It takes great effort.
So they were talking about. This is something that they do all the time with their bandmates.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Well, describe it to me.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: The game is simple. It's a one on one thing where you are attempting to say the same word.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: I've played together. I know it.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Okay, you know this. You know this word.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: Oh, I know it.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: We're gonna do 1, 2, 3. We say. We both say a word.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: I don't know what your word is. Right, right.
[00:02:48] Speaker B: Okay. Then we take those two words.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: We try and meet in the middle.
[00:02:51] Speaker B: We try and meet in the middle. So if I say spaghetti and you say.
[00:02:57] Speaker A: That was my first word. Oh, my God.
[00:02:59] Speaker B: See, we're off to a great start. And. And you say plate. I don't know. We could then. And then we both try and say the same word. We might say meatball. Yes, that's where my mind was going.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: Okay, we're on.
[00:03:11] Speaker B: We're good. So we try and do this each time, and I think you continue with the same words that you just said until you eventually do me in the middle.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: All right, I'm in.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: This might take a while. You and I, this is a measure of, like, how differently we think.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: All right, I'm in.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: Okay. All right, let's.
No, I actually haven't thought about a. A word, but I will come up with some quickly. We're going to try and do this and try and make it. I'm not terrible. Radio. I'm ready. Okay.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: This isn't radio, by the way. It's podcast.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Okay, ready? One, two, three.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: Music and Yoda.
[00:03:45] Speaker B: Okay, okay, okay. Okay, ready? Hold on, hold on. Do you have a word?
[00:03:55] Speaker A: I don't have one. Yeah, go ahead.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: Okay, ready.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: One, two, three.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: John Williams.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: Oh, John Williams.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: John Williams and Jedi.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Jedi.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
All right. What's a good word for that?
[00:04:13] Speaker A: I'm ready.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: Okay, ready. One, two, three. Symphony. Oh, okay. Okay.
[00:04:19] Speaker A: Star Wars.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: Star wars and symphony.
Okay.
[00:04:25] Speaker A: All right, I'm ready.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: One, two, three. Soundtracks. Oh, Dual of fates and soundtrack.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:04:33] Speaker A: You know where I was going?
Yeah, I'm familiar with it. I got you. Dual Fates.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: And soundtrack and soundtrack. Okay, okay.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: All right, you ready?
[00:04:43] Speaker B: All right, ready.
[00:04:44] Speaker A: One, two, three.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: Phantom Menace.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: Oh, Qui. Gon. Phantom Menace. Okay, I know where we're going.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: I know where we're going here. Okay.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Okay. You ready? You sure you're ready?
[00:04:54] Speaker B: I don't know, Jim.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: Okay.
Two, three.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Obi Wan.
Dang it. Okay, that was my backup word. That was my backup word.
[00:05:03] Speaker A: Obi Wan.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, we can do this. We can do this.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Clues are being said.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: Okay, I got it.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: I got it.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: Come on. Don't overthink it.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: Okay.
Okay.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: One, two, three. Dual saber.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Oh, Lightsaber and duel.
Okay, we could get this.
[00:05:28] Speaker A: Marsh, I don't think we can get lightsaber and duel.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: Okay, we need a good one here. Lightsaber and duel. Okay, no, no, that's not gonna work.
[00:05:45] Speaker A: This is gonna suck.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: I know.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Should we do a reset?
[00:05:47] Speaker B: We can do a reset if we've. We backed ourselves into a corner.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: One. One more, and then if we don't get it, we reset.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it could be functionally a reset. Okay.
Like, if it takes us nowhere.
[00:05:59] Speaker A: Ready? We can reset right here.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: And duel.
Okay.
Okay. Okay. Let's go.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: 1.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: 1, 2, 3, 4.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: Jedi and force. Okay.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: We're so close.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: We were just dancing around this. Come on, man, sync up.
Look me in the eye. Okay.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: I gotcha. Jedi and force.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: Jedi and force. Okay, ready?
[00:06:29] Speaker A: One, two, three.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Padawan.
[00:06:32] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: All right.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: Sith and padawan.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: Sith and padawan.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: Okay, hold on. There's a word for that word for that.
[00:06:42] Speaker B: A padawan Sith.
Oh, I know it. I know it. I got it. We got the word. This is easy. This is. This is underhand. This is a softball, buddy. This is a layup.
This is. This is a tush push. Okay? This is guaranteed. This is easy. Come on. You don't have to Google the word. You know the word.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:07:01] Speaker B: You know it. You know it. It's going to hit you like.
Come on.
You know this word?
[00:07:08] Speaker A: I think it's.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: What's the Sith pad? 1. What's the word for that? We're ruining. We're outside the boundaries of the game here. Come on, you can do this. I believe in you. Our listeners are yelling two words.
[00:07:19] Speaker A: Are you tweet. Okay, I'll just do it. I'll do it.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: One, two, three.
[00:07:24] Speaker B: Apprentice.
[00:07:25] Speaker A: Oh, you. The word is acolyte.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: Apprentice.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: The word is acolyte.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Okay, when do they say acolyte?
When does anybody ever say acolyte? Nobody watched that show. By nobody, I mean me.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: Just because you have kids doesn't mean that I'm not right.
[00:07:44] Speaker B: Apprentice and acolyte.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: All right, let's do a reset.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: Reset. Okay, ready?
[00:07:52] Speaker A: Yeah. One. One, two, three.
[00:07:54] Speaker B: Puppy.
Puppy and pepperoni.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: Puppy and pepperoni.
What? I know what I want to do.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: But how close we were and you got that wrong.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: You got that wrong. I thought that was a layup.
[00:08:11] Speaker A: I hate you. All right, let's go.
[00:08:14] Speaker B: Puppy and pepperoni.
[00:08:15] Speaker A: Okay, that's easy.
[00:08:16] Speaker B: All right.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: One, two, three. Sausage meat and sausage.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: Meat and sausage. Okay, we can do this.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: Oh, that easy.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: One, two, three.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: Hot dog.
Okay. Hot dog and kiel.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: I know where we're going. We're going.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: We got this. Okay. One, two, three.
[00:08:35] Speaker A: Bun. Yeah.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: There we go.
[00:08:39] Speaker A: Thank you. Yes.
Holy crap. We just picked up audio on a mic that no one's using right now because that's amazing.
[00:08:49] Speaker B: Thank you, Marcel. We got there.
[00:08:51] Speaker A: Can't believe you didn't say acolyte. I can't believe you didn't say apprentice, my young.
You're right. He doesn't say it.
Oh, gosh, that was good. Well, let's move on to our mailbag. Our first mailbag comes from Justin Matson. Justin Matson writes in hot take both one seeds this upcoming week.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Lose both one seeds. That's a Seattle Seahawks who are going to be taken on the 49ers. The 49ers, and the Denver Broncos who are hosting the Buffalo Bills.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:09:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. It's not a crazy prediction, Justin. I don't know if this is a hot.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: That's a hot take. Is it both one seeds to lose? Yeah.
[00:09:33] Speaker B: Well, if you. Yeah. If you step us out. Step out of the circumstances.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Stroke right there for a second.
[00:09:40] Speaker B: You know, ever since I had kids, it start to. I like, slur. I startle.
[00:09:44] Speaker A: Like strokes on your kids.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: This happens. I just like, I'm st. I can't get my words out.
[00:09:49] Speaker A: Children are going to listen to this.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: I can't get my kids names right. I'm just.
Patrick.
Like, I sound like I have a problem.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: Are you okay?
[00:09:58] Speaker B: I'm not sure.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: All right, well, losing both one seeds, it's nothing to mince words over.
That's a big deal.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: It is undeniable.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: Huge deal.
[00:10:09] Speaker B: I agree. You're right. It would be a big deal. But at the same time, looking at the matchups, it wouldn't.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Shockness. Okay. This take fair.
[00:10:17] Speaker B: I'm like, I'm trying to side with Justin and say it's not crazy. That really isn't. I mean, the Niners upsetting the Seahawks, that seems like a reach to me a bit. It would shock me a little bit, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities. The Niners look like I don't know. They're seem. They seem like maybe the team of destiny for this season. It's.
It's kind of crazy. But Justin, I think I'm kind of with you, man.
[00:10:43] Speaker A: I just.
I don't know. Lose. Having a week of, of a buy is big. That's huge. It's a week of rest.
[00:10:52] Speaker B: It really is.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: That's huge.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, these teams are not missing notable players and, and 49ers are.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: Hurt left, right and center.
[00:11:00] Speaker B: Absolutely. George Kittle is gone.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Buffalo, I mean, they have a player going off the field every other drive.
[00:11:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:09] Speaker A: Josh Allen getting banged around the whole first half and getting hit the second. I mean, like.
[00:11:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's crazy. And now he's about to go against an even better defense.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
So it would, it would be a lot, but it was. It'd be crazy. That's one of the. One of my disappointments with this past weekend is the lack of upsets because we were so close.
Like the number two seeds, both of them went down to the wire. Both number two seeds were so close to being upset. And.
Well, actually I should say the, the Patriots weren't super, super close for a lot of that game. It looked like, it looks like fairly close. But at least the, the Bears looked like they were very close to being upset. It took like a historic comeback necessary. And the same with the Panthers and Rams. That was very close to being a major upset and it would have been by betting odds, one of the greatest upsets in postseason history. It was incredibly close to being that.
So I was, I was a little disappointed in the lack of upsets given how competitive these games were over this weekend. Maybe we get them next weekend.
[00:12:11] Speaker A: I'll tell you. Speaking of the one thing I was frustrated about this weekend, my one thing was the Chargers and Patriots. I thought that game was a snore fest. It was the one game that I felt I could have fallen asleep at any point in this game and not been surprised on how it. The score looked when I woke up.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: What were you going to miss? The quarterback's getting sacked a lot more.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: He just. I, by the way, the entire game I just thought, oh, Justin Herbert's getting hit really hard.
[00:12:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: That's all I could think of the entire game. Like, I thought Drake may played special in terms of like his running ability. That was something that both quarterbacks were.
[00:12:48] Speaker B: Their team's leading rusher, which is crazy.
[00:12:51] Speaker A: To think about with both of those teams. Yeah.
But I mean, not really that crazy. And their running backs aren't that amazing in la. But also I would have been surprised if Stevenson or Henderson were not leading rushers for the paint for the Patriots. So.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: Sure, sure.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: But that game was a snore fest to me. The other ones could have been game of the week, any week of the season.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: Totally agree. That weekend did not disappoint.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: And let's start off with the first one. Carolina.
[00:13:23] Speaker B: Wow. Wow. What was the spread to begin? It was double digits. It was a double digit betting spread.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: 10 points.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: That's amazing that they covered in that kind of. That kind of a fashion. And we're in position to win going into the final two minutes.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: I think that the, the Panthers showed me more faith that they're on the right track than any losing team did this weekend. Would you agree with me on that?
[00:13:48] Speaker B: I'd have to think about that. You know, the Jaguars definitely have a case that they're kind of on the right track, man.
[00:13:55] Speaker A: I think the Jaguars showed me they're the same Jags.
[00:13:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. Was it a bad Jaguars game?
[00:14:02] Speaker A: No, but. But you were dethroned by one player.
[00:14:06] Speaker B: That's fair. That's fair. They were in a position to win that game. And one more final defensive stance there at the end would have silenced everyone and put them into the divisional round again. And it's been just such a dramatic change for the team.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: What showed you more and what team do you have more faith in going forward? Carolina?
Green Bay?
Jacksonville or Philly? Phil or the Chargers?
[00:14:38] Speaker B: I want to say.
I want to say Green Bay.
Oh.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: Seriously? Yes.
[00:14:46] Speaker B: I'm not joking.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: The team that choked away. By the way, there aren't chokers. Sorry, I need to change my words.
All right, rewind.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: Green Bay is missing a lot of important talent.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: Mostly between the headset when they're coaching.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: Okay. All right.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: All right. And.
Oh, it's not Toyota Thon anymore. So that would probably be why Jordan.
[00:15:11] Speaker B: What are you gonna argue that he had a bad game?
[00:15:14] Speaker A: No, I just would say that he and clutch moments didn't play well.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Oh, all right.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: You look at the box score. He had a great. He had a great game. Look at his Spock score.
You know, I think that this is.
And this isn't on our take. It's. It's something I've been struggling with for a while. I've been trying to find the right time to talk to you about.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:15:38] Speaker A: I think this is your fault.
What, what specifically happened to the, to the Packers. Oh, really?
[00:15:47] Speaker B: Okay, wow. Explain.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: Well, you're a fan of two teams.
[00:15:53] Speaker B: And that's for business.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: What? I mean, okay, to this extent, your kid was wearing Lions gear during the packers game.
You know, how do you know that? Kind of sacrilegious. I have my sources and, you know, the. I haven't seen the Lions come up and have such cataclysmic downfalls and say, I think you started wearing a lot of Lions gear, so.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Cataclysmic downfall. That's dramatic.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: Did you watch him in the NFC championship?
[00:16:19] Speaker B: I would say, well, yeah, I stood the entire game in front of my tv.
Okay.
[00:16:24] Speaker A: You don't need to give me bona fides about, you know, how much you stood versus sitting.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: It was incredible.
[00:16:29] Speaker A: But I. I'm blaming this on you.
[00:16:32] Speaker B: I thought they were going to win that game at halftime. I thought they were gonna win.
[00:16:36] Speaker A: See, Notre Dame has lost because of me.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:40] Speaker A: But more because I just haven't been a good enough fan. I just. I need to step it up, and I'm recognizing that as a fan. I need to get more intense.
I need my life to be determined by the outcome of most of these games. So.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: I'm willing to put some more things on the line next year.
I'm just. This is a real gut check.
[00:16:58] Speaker B: I'll shoulder some blame.
[00:16:59] Speaker A: I'm telling you right now. When they lost, all I could think about was texting Justin Manson. Don't worry, though. This is Kyle's second team.
Come on. These are the only things that go through my head during those.
[00:17:12] Speaker B: Justin, that wouldn't be funny. Justin's a classy guy.
[00:17:15] Speaker A: You don't think that we would have that conversation about you?
[00:17:17] Speaker B: I mean, I think you would initiate something like that. I think Justin would rise above it.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: He would rise above it.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:17:22] Speaker A: All right, well, we'll check this text messages off air.
Our next question comes from Eric Giannunzio. I really want your answer on this one. You were the. Really.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: I.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: We got this question, and while Ian isn't here today, I. I knew when I saw the question, I thought I weren't. I want to know Kyle's take on it. Okay.
Eric Ganenzio writes in, lamar Jackson is at the point in his career where he will get more coaches fired for his inadequate play because he is a major talent. But he will never be good enough to win the big one. And everyone thinks he is.
[00:18:01] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Geez. Fun. She's a fun part of this show.
So I appreciate you, Mr.
Gina Deal.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: Just.
[00:18:10] Speaker B: Just weaving yourself into the fabric of this program.
[00:18:13] Speaker A: The way I say fun and the way you say fun is Different. Like you say, fun, and I hear.
I hate him.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: No, G brings good content to the show. Like, it's not a question. This isn't a take that's sent into the program that I can just be like, yeah, thumbs up. Totally cool.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: Good one.
[00:18:31] Speaker B: Good one, dude. Yeah, that's a funny technique in fire for us. That's good for content. That's good for the, you know, the. The quality of the program. For listeners. So, gee, stick around. Keep sending this stuff.
[00:18:46] Speaker A: It's.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: It's incendiary.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: What's your response?
[00:18:50] Speaker B: That it's nonsense.
That it's absurd.
You know, while. Although there is, it's within the realm of possibilities that coaches come and go and partially as a result of the outcome. I don't. There's precedent for that. I'd have to think about this. But there's precedent for this where there's talent and expectations placed upon that talent. And when there's a. Ultimately a failure to execute, then the coach becomes the scapegoat.
And sure, I mean, I'll concede with G that that could happen. That could happen to the Ravens, where a failure to win the championship during the prime of Lamar's career could result in coaches losing their jobs.
That's not a crazy take because you.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: Do think majority of the time, I bet would probably be 99% of the time. I can't think of a owner that would side with their coach over their talented to the nth degree quarterback.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he's really. He's really that talented. So what are you. What owner is going to say, well, what we need to do is upgrade at the quarterback position.
That will get us over the hump. Let's go find one of the quarterbacks who are better than Lamar and then we'll win the Super Bowl. That's the missing piece. What owner is rationally going to think that? I honestly ask anyone that question.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: What about Minnesota? Minnesota?
[00:20:27] Speaker B: What about them?
[00:20:27] Speaker A: You know, they. They didn't do the Kirk Cousins. They haven't done the Sam Darnold. They've progressively said no to their quarterbacks.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: And yes to o'. Connell.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Kevin o' Connell is the coach.
[00:20:44] Speaker A: Thank you. I looked at.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: You looked at me like, no, no, no, no. You're. You're totally right. You're totally right. But it's. It's the same with many other teams. You look at Bengals or Bills or. Or some other team with like a. With a franchise quarterback who is one of the top guys, who is.
You're.
You are thanking your lucky stars One.
[00:21:03] Speaker A: That works is that. I mean, like, can. Can you genu to that. Is that even true? What that Minnesota has over the last, I don't know, five to 10 years.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: Minnesota, in the history of the franchise has never had a quarterback with.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: Hold on.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: Lamar Jackson's talent.
[00:21:21] Speaker A: Okay, before you keep going on that, I'm just gonna let you know Justin will seek and destroy if you give a statement broadly about the Vikings. And don't I invite it.
[00:21:31] Speaker B: Yeah, Come on, Justin. Justin brings good stuff too.
[00:21:34] Speaker A: He is going to come after you.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: What I mean, he can bring, you know, I mean, like, I loved Dante Culpepper back in the day, you know, and the. The Vikings have had good quarterbacks, but in the history of their franchise, and this is not really the point that we're answering, but that team has never had a transcendent talent at that position. An elevator. Who was in the MVP conversation?
Well, the Ravens do. And if there's anybody who is making a rational argument who says, we've got everything else we need, we've got a great coach, we've got great players at the other positions, we've got good coordinators, the thing we need to do is upgrade at the quarterback position. Okay.
[00:22:14] Speaker A: I think that we can all agree that he is uber talented. Okay.
[00:22:20] Speaker B: As G said in his. In his take.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: The part that's not on here is that G wrote and compared him to.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: Shaquille o' Neal who won championships.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: Well, he won them, but was also had to go somewhere else to win them.
You know, he didn't win them in Orlando. He was supremely talented in Orlando and could not win. Could not get over the hump himself.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: And had to ride Miami's coattails with Dwyane Wade. He had to ride Kobe's coattails in la.
[00:22:50] Speaker B: Oh, that's a take.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: I'm. He's a dominant player, but he didn't get over the hump until he was alongside a.
[00:22:58] Speaker B: One could just argue that it's Phil Jackson. It's not Jordan, it's not Shaq, It's Phil Jackson who can put together.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: We'll do that on a different basketball.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: That's the common factor because he won all the championships with the balls and then won with the. The Lakers.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: Okay. He didn't win one with the Heat, though. So that's not our common factor for Shaquille o'. Neal. So we'll do that on a different. The. The dribble after. We'll do that one on the dribble after. But for G's point. I will tell you, I.
Lamar, I mean, did you watch the game against the Steelers? That dude had two passes all day.
That I would qualify as an elite, uber talented quarterback throw.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Right, right, right.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: Two plays out of 75.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:47] Speaker A: Like that's what we're looking at and saying I'm taking that over John Harbaugh. Now, I'm not saying I would take John Harbaugh over Lamar Jackson.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Are you.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Is G. No.
[00:23:57] Speaker B: Is G making that argument that they should move on from Lamar and keep John Harbaugh? No. But is that what G was that right back?
[00:24:03] Speaker A: G.
I will say that. I think from what G is saying, to look and say that Lamar Jackson is responsible for John Harbaugh's firing people that say no, that's absolutely ludicrous. Like, he is absolutely a significant determining determinant of John Harbaugh being fired because just simply in the fact that if they won that game, would we be having this conversation about Mike Tomlinson?
[00:24:32] Speaker B: Probably.
Everybody knew. Yeah, everybody knew it. Everybody expected that. Yeah. It's so crazy.
[00:24:38] Speaker A: So in such a, you know, back and forth league where games are in careers and livelihoods are determined by one game, I think that to me it feels irresponsible to say that he isn't involved in the firing of his coaches. Absolutely. He is.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I made that concession at the beginning of my argument that, you know, that is absolutely the case for John Harbaugh and it is within the realm of possibilities that it happens again that other coaches come in. Because when you take over the head coaching job, whoever it is, whoever gets the Ravens job, you will have expectations which are different than many other teams.
[00:25:14] Speaker A: I don't get what you're saying is silly. What's.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Well, it was the second. It was mostly the second part of the argument, but the beginning part, I was agreeing with G. You are actually right that coaches could be fired as a result of Lamar being under center for this franchise.
Because when you take over the head coaching job for the Ravens, that is not going to be the same as whoever takes over the head coaching job for Atlanta or Tennessee or New York Giants. They will have different expectations. Because the reality is that whoever's taking over the head coaching job at the Ravens has one of the most talented guys in the game under center. And the expectations are do something. The last guy could not take us farther. Don't just win our division. Don't just get us a playoff win or the to the divisional or conference championship like we've seen in recent years. We want super Bowls. That's your expectation. The other head coaching vacancies do not have those expectations right now. The Ravens job? Heck yeah, it does. Whoever is in there, your expectation is take this team to a Super bowl championship. We want no less. So the bar is higher for whoever takes the Ravens head coaching job. I will definitely argue that of all the head coaching vacancies, the bar is highest there. And so whoever takes that job, falling short of that, which they probably will, because the odds are always in that in favor of that 32.
[00:26:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's going to win.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: So you get a couple shots, you try and establish your culture, you try and set things up.
You have some injury, bad luck or whatever, miss on some draft picks, who knows what happens, and you don't get the super bowl, you're probably getting canned for another guy. And we start the coaching cycle. G is probably pressing on this take, and I, I think that that will very likely play out. What is that? Does that. Is that a.
What's the word?
[00:26:59] Speaker A: Concession?
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Well, yes, I do concede to, to that point, but does that. What does that say about Lamar Jackson, that you shouldn't have him, that he can't win championships? Uh, that's like. That starting to get to be a bridge too far.
[00:27:20] Speaker A: I think the part that bugs you is hearing that he can't win the big one because most people can't win the big one until they, until they do. Yeah, correct. And, and that's always been kind of a, A label that's so broad that you don't like to go down that road and, and, and label like we.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Already have, we have abundant examples like you don't have to be the most talented guy in the game to win the championship. You don't have to be the best quarterback in the NFL. The best quarterback in the NFL usually doesn't win the super bowl, and yet sometimes they do. And it's very much within the realm of possibilities. He's not.
His team isn't worse off because of him.
That would be a silly argument. So I'm, I'm. I'm kind of like maybe pointlessly responding to the second half of G's comment saying that Lamar's not good enough to win a championship. Baker Mayfield is good enough to win a, A championship. Bryce Young is good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Lots of these guys are. Aaron Rodgers can win a Super bowl this year. There's lots of players that are good enough to win the big one.
[00:28:30] Speaker A: You think Rogers is good enough?
[00:28:33] Speaker B: It's within the realm of possibilities. I Don't think it would be the worst quarterback to win the Super Bowl.
[00:28:38] Speaker A: That's a different question.
Would you rather be the.
As a coach looking for a free spot, would you rather go be a head coach for Lamar Jackson or be an offensive coordinator for the Lions?
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Oh, oh, oh, yeah, Probably. I don't know. These. The head coaches in the NFL are not normal people.
These are not well adjusted people. I think. I think that's a Tomlin quote.
They are.
They're a different breed.
So personally, me, yeah, I'd love to be in that Detroit locker room. I. I love what I see from there. That being a part of that, that just. That just seems like a culture and a unit that you will remember for the rest of your life and poised to, like, make that final leap and make history and change things for this enormous fan base that has been waiting for generations.
So, yeah, joining Detroit would be a dream. But if I'm the coach who says, like, I want that Lombardi or that legacy and which team.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: There's only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL, in the world.
[00:29:51] Speaker B: Correct.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: So I, I know that you have given these. This soliloquy about how great the Lions are. Don't get it twisted. You could be a head coach of one of the greatest skilled quarterbacks ever.
[00:30:05] Speaker B: No, yeah, you're right.
[00:30:06] Speaker A: It's a no brainer.
[00:30:07] Speaker B: It's a no brainer. Yeah. Every coach out there, they all think that they can do it. They all think that they're different, they've got the edge. They all think that I'm going to come in, I'm going to be the one to get it right. I could just fix the mistakes that the Ravens were making.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: I've heard a lot of people say some things, like Brian Dayball could be the person to come in and turn a team around about the Ravens.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:30:26] Speaker A: I've heard that. I'm like, whoa, I haven't heard that in a minute.
[00:30:29] Speaker B: Jeez. And right.
[00:30:30] Speaker A: I was like, wow.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Well, you know, G, thank you. That was some good content right there. I appreciate you, G. You're the best. I. I think it's worth looking at if you had to go from this week's games, you know, we kind of covered the Chargers and the. In the Pats.
Can I ask you. You know, we talked a little bit about Carolina being down, the storming comeback by the LA Rams, the blocked punt.
[00:30:57] Speaker B: And when they blocked the punt, I thought, the Panthers are going to do this.
Then they got points off of it. I thought they were gonna do It, I was kind of excited for him. It was, it was really cool. And then, and then nine, that final drive.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Wow. Nine, Kobe Parkinson.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:13] Speaker A: Just when they think he's out of bounds, I'm like, there's no way he's.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: And the legend continues.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: He's in. And I hate all those, you know, Rams at the end. Zoo.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Oh yeah.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: You know, nine's on the field. We got a chance, man.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: Years from now we are gonna be reminiscing about watching Stafford prime. Stafford, you guys, you just don't understand. Back in my day, it was special.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: Some of those throws he does make, you know, we, you know, the, the memes online or if Mahomes would have done that, we would have had a 25 minute segment on it in ESPN on SportsCenter.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: So there were off season comments that I made that were really poor. Cold water on the Rams ceiling. Because I kind of consider Stafford at his age and in his health to be a bit of a liability to the team.
And those are some of my worst takes in recent memory.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: Wasn't a good table.
[00:31:59] Speaker B: I mean, I didn't, I didn't go on and on about it, but I was not as optimistic as I should have been about.
[00:32:05] Speaker A: I don't think that you're in the wrong for having that, you know, question going on.
To me, the game of the week was Chicago and Green Bay.
[00:32:15] Speaker B: Oh, unquestionable.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: Two separate sides of the coin when it comes to both teams.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:32:23] Speaker A: You know, I, I follow a couple barstool Chicago guys that were at the game and just watching. I mean they, the, the entire like background of them is like fire people. And now it's we love them.
[00:32:38] Speaker B: Can I just say that I can hardly think of a sporting event to attend that would have been a greater life experience than that game. As a Bears fan.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. They're going to write. Even imagine they're going to write mo like movies about that. I mean you have. If you weren't a Bears fan and you were there and you weren't hooked, that's the drug of all drugs. That's the high they will be chasing.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: To see how dejected they were in the first half and then to see them come alive as they increasingly became aware that this is possible, that they could do this, they could do this. The. And to just to be in Soldier Field that day would have been an unforgettable life experience.
There's a, there's a part of me that is, is happy for them to have experienced that because it just Looked like the most incredible thing any fan base could witness to take down your chief rival.
[00:33:38] Speaker A: You do not. In that fashion. You do not deserve a Super bowl as a Lions fan saying that about your rival.
That is where we will draw the line. The Bears draw the line.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: We'll consider the packers their chief rival.
[00:33:49] Speaker A: You can have two teams. Teams. I'm. I'm personally starting to become a little bit more okay with that. I am not okay with you saying that you're good with your rival winning a crucial playoff game. Not good with that. Personally.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: Don't. Don't mince my words.
Or. You're happy for them.
[00:34:12] Speaker A: They got to do that.
[00:34:14] Speaker B: Is that. Is that. Is that bad to say?
[00:34:17] Speaker A: I've never been a USC fan. I've been really happy that they beat us.
[00:34:22] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:34:23] Speaker B: I know it's a bit. It's very. I consider it gracious of me to say that. I'm not saying anything particularly good. I. Hey, I'm an NFL podcaster here and I am con. I'm granting that that fan base has not had much to be happy about for a really long time.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: And they have never had a great quarterback in history.
And the time that has been since they a won a playoff game or beat the packers in the playoff or. Or anything. Anything like this. All. There's all. I don't even need to go over the numbers. The broadcast covered them quite extensively. But historical significance, touchdown or quarterback. The significance of this for that team. It cannot be overstated.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: You're right, though. It was a religious event.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: Yes. And it was something to witness Saturday night.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: I was a religion.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: I was devastated at the end of the night. I won't. I won't lie to. I was like. I was crushed. I couldn't believe this happened again when. Only when they did it only weeks ago.
The same thing in that overtime game.
[00:35:25] Speaker A: But the stakes right now are the highest. Obviously. They've been.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: Exactly. Exactly.
[00:35:30] Speaker A: What's the equivalent of like the miracle in the Bible that converted people? Because this is. I'm not joking. It's a religious event and they convert non believers to believers. What's the equivalent? Is it turning water to wine? Is it. Is it walking on water?
[00:35:49] Speaker B: Oh, walking on water. Maybe. Yeah.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: I don't know. Welcome to the Catholic after.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah. Maybe the multiplication of loaves, like the feeding.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: By the way, as somebody who's got to be in the crowd going, he can't have more loaves, my friend. Go up there. Yeah, Jimmy.
[00:36:06] Speaker B: And he's.
[00:36:06] Speaker A: Watch me up There and ask him for another fish. And I swear to God.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: And Jesus says, watch me. Yep, here he goes.
He's done it again.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: You'd pull that. Another tilapia.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: He did another loafer bread. What? He can't. Another touchdown, Caleb.
[00:36:22] Speaker A: No way.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: That fade away. Fourth down conversion to Roma Dunes. A holy Moses.
[00:36:28] Speaker A: By the way, they would have absolutely killed DJ Moore if he didn't get that touchdown because he dropped one of their first downs on third and ten.
Chicago will remember DJ Moore differently forever.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: No question about it.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: How about the handshake, by the way? What's your take on that?
[00:36:46] Speaker B: Oh, man, I feel like Ben Johnson is a more interesting character than I gave him credit for. Yeah.
[00:36:52] Speaker A: Okay. Tell me why you enjoy it.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: I think he is positioning himself as a villain.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: Oh, thank you.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:36:58] Speaker A: It's really. I'm.
I'm slowly kind of endearing yourself to. I'm kind of liking the Bears.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: But I can't. But I can't. Because I'd be a Bandwagon fan and they haven't been good, and now they're great and I would jump on. But no, I can't. I won't. That's why I wouldn't join Philly when you were saying I was a Philly fan.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: Now you can.
[00:37:18] Speaker A: I could. Right now. They're going to fall apart. They should fire their coach, too.
[00:37:21] Speaker B: And they might. Yeah. I really can't tell you.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: The whole place down.
[00:37:24] Speaker B: I can't tell you what advantage they get by having Nick Sirianni.
[00:37:28] Speaker A: Nick Sirianni does a really good job of yelling at his star wide receiver on the sideline. Well, I've never seen a coach of the NFL.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: Can't you find somebody else who could do that?
[00:37:36] Speaker A: Have you. Can you think of anybody.
[00:37:38] Speaker B: Ask about it in the interview, out.
[00:37:40] Speaker A: Of their way, went down the sideline to scream at their player? I can't think of anybody like. Can you. I'm looking at the picture of every single NFL team right now.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Brian Dable. Brian Dable was pretty good at yelling at his guys and, like, getting red in the face. I don't know. Maybe he could. Maybe he could do it.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Maybe Andy. Andy Reid did with Travis.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: That was.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: They bumped. Yeah.
[00:38:07] Speaker B: That's not Sirianni level.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: Do you imagine Campbell doing that to St. Brown? Except his pants?
[00:38:13] Speaker B: Jeez. No. No. I never could because Campbell's a saint.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: Totally.
Other people, he's like, I'm gonna murder you.
[00:38:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Canonize the man.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: Very scared.
[00:38:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:24] Speaker A: Very scared of Dan Campbell. If he hears this to me, the Bears and Packers game was my number one game of the weekend. The one that was the most interesting. The one that I took the most away from it.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:38:35] Speaker A: As someone who's always looking for content. Yeah. And always I got a spoon. Just waiting to drink it all up. It was San Francisco, Philly.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Wow. Okay. Unpack it.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: The stakes of that game. I. I feel like the fallout of that loss is more impactful than any loss of any team in the playoffs currently.
So much so that there are rumors that John Harbaugh said that he wanted to have this week finish so that he could know what the lay of the land looks like before he had determines what team he's interested in. Yeah.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:39:10] Speaker A: So, yeah. Look at that and say I. He potentially was waiting.
He. He might have lost the gig in Miami to be coach and gm as some were reporting in Miami that it was on the table that they were going to hand over a lot of power. Hand over the keys.
[00:39:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:31] Speaker A: Since have hired a GM and that's off the table. So he might have lost that opportunity. Which is one in 64.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: You know, so in terms of opportunities in a league and now how you look at it and say, well, he could go be the person to get Philly over the hump.
He was over the hump.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: I mean, back over the hump again.
[00:39:58] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's fair.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: Sorry. Sorry.
Continue your point.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: He was waiting to see if Buffalo would have fired McDermott.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: If they would have lost or if.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: The packers become victims of the moment and let LaFleur go.
[00:40:11] Speaker A: Well, the floor with a new team president and on one year left on his deal after this year, they've said we are not renewing him as of right now.
[00:40:21] Speaker B: These are fair reasons for, for old John to, you know, bite his time.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: I, I a couple weeks ago mentioned something that I think I have become more indignantly steadfast stuck on.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: What's that?
[00:40:40] Speaker A: You want to see my Taurus stubborn moon rise?
Talk about culture being brought into a team from team to team. It doesn't happen.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: Okay. Okay.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: It.
We're in a different age in the NFL that it's about maneuvering and finding, exploiting matchups, inefficiencies and being a guru on both. On one side of the ball, if not both.
[00:41:08] Speaker B: Right.
[00:41:09] Speaker A: I would much rather take Flores than I would Harbaugh.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: Okay. As like, like I'm, as my head coach. You're, you're like, this is a X's and O's Schemer where. Who has superior abilities.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: I'm. If I'm.
Oh, God. It's hard for me to say the Raiders because I'm thinking Raiders because they have the Brady connection. But also they just fired the culture guru person of all, Pete Carroll. Yeah. But thinking of all the job openings currently. Gosh, what's a team? I could. If I'm the Giants.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah.
[00:41:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Who. Day ball could be seen as he was an offensive, you know, juggernaut in his day when it came to being with Josh Allen, but he's also seen as a overhead kind of person.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:59] Speaker A: If I'm the Giants, I would much rather have Flores. Okay. With that defense in front of him. Compared to taking John. John Harbaugh and saying we're going to change the culture of the New York Giants and the New York media doesn't have anything to do when it comes to John Harbaugh and the way that he. How consistent he was in Baltimore. We're going to take that consistency. We're going to bring it over here to New York.
I don't buy that if I'm a team, and I think this will be my take to look at and fast forward in the time vault next year. You ready for this?
[00:42:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:34] Speaker A: End of next year, I want you to look at all of the openings that we had right now. I want you to classify each one of those head coaches that took a spot and say, were they a guru of a position or a side of the ball or were they a culture? And I will guarantee you, winning percentage wise, the culture people will be lower.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: Oh, okay. I see what you're doing there.
You're probably right.
That doesn't mean I agree with you.
I think culture is real, but takes longer to establish.
I think it takes multiple years at least.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: What would you say?
Canales and Panther and the Panthers, what would you say he is?
Would you say he's an offensive guru?
[00:43:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Schemer. Right.
[00:43:24] Speaker A: Could it be fair in two years from now to consider him to be a guru, a culture person? Could Sean McVeigh. McVeigh be considered as a culture person in the fact that he has so many coaches underneath him that have left his tree?
[00:43:42] Speaker B: Right.
[00:43:42] Speaker A: Is. Is Shanahan a culture person from the people that are underneath him that have left to go get coaching jobs? Right. Or is he still an offensive guru? So I think where I'm coming from.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: They'Re not mutually exclusive, but continue.
[00:43:56] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, that's where I'm trying to get at and say when they are initially hired, they are Mutually exclusive. I don't know anybody who has been hired who is an offensive guru or defensive guru along with being the culture setter.
[00:44:11] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: McDaniels was not that in Miami. They went with him because he's a hot shot young coordinator. Right now they're probably going to recorrect and go the opposite way and say they want to find somebody that's going to change culture. Miami Dolphins.
[00:44:23] Speaker B: But.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: Mike McDonald for Seattle? Not the case.
Go up and down the list. Like there. I can't think of anybody who's a culture setter and the guru of one side of the ball. So no, that's a new hire.
[00:44:42] Speaker B: That's a new hire. Tell me one like a recent new hire.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: You're not talking about. What about like a Campbell.
[00:44:52] Speaker A: Culture? I don't think of him as an offensive guru.
[00:44:55] Speaker B: Well, that's what. Okay, then I misunderstood your question.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: I'm saying you can't have somebody who is both as a. I can't think of somebody who is both a culture person and a guru of one side of the ball.
Both of them at the same time. Who is a new hire?
I can't think of one. Sure. I can't think of a Tomlin mixed with. With a Mc Mike McDaniel. I can't think of a John Harbaugh.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: We have some legacy coaches right now that you would kind of put in that bucket who I kind of. I think of them as like the adult in the room.
[00:45:29] Speaker A: Maybe Shanahan, if he was fired, could be that.
I don't know though. It would still be labeled as the offensive schemer, correct?
[00:45:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: So I just think that that's something worth looking at. But I will fall back to. I feel like next year if we were to look at that, we are definitely going with higher winning percentage. And I'd be willing to take that and say fast. And this is a take that we will definitely not revisit in three years. Okay, fast forward at three years. If you're saying it takes time, fast forward at five years. Right. Look at these 10 openings that are in the NFL right now.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:04] Speaker A: The people who are hired that are offense or defensive schemers, whatever words you want to put experts of one side of the field. Yes, absolutely. Have a high, higher winning percentage than the culture people do over those five years.
That's something the sheets could look at. Kyle.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that would be interesting to kind of classify these coaches. It does seem like there's a. There's not an abundance of those kind of those non coordinator.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Special teams Coaches anymore.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:46:42] Speaker A: Or just like as somebody who caught. As somebody who coached special teams, I really enjoyed. I mean, I was in, you know, middle school football and ain't the NFL, but I always enjoyed the special teams coach who got the. You know, you're the. We fired our coach. You're the new coach.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: I'd be interested to kind of. Yeah.
[00:46:58] Speaker A: Hearing them go up and say, well, I know everything about the whole team because I'm, you know, not just stuck on one side of the ball, which I think they got a good point.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: But taking a look at coaching trends would be kind of interesting. And you're. You're sparking some curiosity.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:47:12] Speaker B: From me. Because it does seem like it's uncommon for, like a true assistant coach to make the ascension who wasn't a coordinator or to a college coach to come to pro.
For example, like some of those.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: Don't say his name.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: I'm not going to.
[00:47:34] Speaker A: I will walk out of this room right now.
[00:47:35] Speaker B: Not going to.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: Good.
Wait. Jim Harbaugh, I swear to God, if you say my guy's name, I'm gonna lose my crap.
[00:47:43] Speaker B: Sorry, I'm not going to.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: But anyway, sparking some curiosity for you. And that's. That's all I wanted. I'm interested, so thank you. I want to move on to our weekly segment, and it's gonna be a fun one.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: I like fun.
[00:47:56] Speaker A: I want to set the bar low, and I'd like to jump over that bar, if I might.
We're gonna play. It's gonna be simple, but it's gonna make you smile throughout the game. Okay?
[00:48:05] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: So if you at home are smiling, reach out to one of us. Let us know. I put a smile on my face. Dude, that one. That one that you said. I like that.
It's simple. Keep three, cut five.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:48:21] Speaker A: I'm not going to tell you the category. We're just going to keep three and cut five.
[00:48:27] Speaker B: Are we doing just, like, a single round of this?
[00:48:29] Speaker A: NFL is the category. It's one round. It's short, it's sweet.
Imagine this as it's the bottom. You've eaten all of the top of the ice cream off of the cone in your ice cream, and you're at the best part. It is.
Oh, you know what I'm talking about. It's flat, and you could bite through the cone.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:48:52] Speaker A: Right, Right. That's the best part, by the way. No, I'm just a plain Jane, regular cone guy. Not a waffle cone. Breaks apart too easily. Falls apart all over me.
[00:49:01] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: NFL is the cat.
[00:49:03] Speaker B: You really are 13, aren't you?
[00:49:05] Speaker A: All right, what was that you were pretentious about earlier?
What was it, luscious? Yeah, Lucius, whatever.
[00:49:13] Speaker B: They're great.
[00:49:14] Speaker A: Yeah, look them up. NFL is the category. Keep three, cut five.
[00:49:18] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Cheese heads.
You cutting it? Are you keeping it?
[00:49:22] Speaker B: Are you participating or is this all me?
[00:49:24] Speaker A: It's all you.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:49:26] Speaker A: How could I participate when I know what the eight things are?
[00:49:29] Speaker B: Cheese heads. Keep them or cut them.
[00:49:33] Speaker A: A lot of grading of cheese heads is happening, which I thoroughly enjoy, you know, as a class A hater.
[00:49:42] Speaker B: Pains me to do this, but I'm gonna have to cut.
[00:49:44] Speaker A: Thank you. How about yelling? Who, dad, who, dad, who that, who that? Who gonna beat them Saints? All right. What about yelling, the Bears?
[00:49:57] Speaker B: It's not the worst, actually, I'm not. I'm not keeping it, but I'll grant that it's. It's a pretty cool association with a team. I like the history of that, and it's. It's very amusing and entertaining to me. It's one of the better ones that the NFL teams have.
[00:50:11] Speaker A: Okay, I'm gonna hit you with the next one. You ready?
J, E, T, S. Jets. Jets. Jets.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: Stupid cut.
[00:50:19] Speaker A: No. You don't like the spelling. You're a big speller. Your kids love spelling.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: Their children. It's what they do.
[00:50:26] Speaker A: Okay, you're cutting it. These are some. I don't know if you're gonna be happy with what you got at the end.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Oh, darn.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: What about Duvall?
Did you hear the. Before you give me your answer, did you hear the woman?
[00:50:42] Speaker B: I did.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Speak to Liam Cohen at the press conference and give him praise about. Baby, you're doing well. You know, she just made me smile. It was so endearing to have a reporter talk about, in a nice way, a coach after they had lost. But even when she said Duvall, I thought the entire time, like, she said Duvall. Wrong. It's supposed to be Duvall.
So what's your answer? You keeping it? It's a new one. It's trendy.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: It is very new. And I'm curious whether it, like, persists into next year.
Like, was this just, like, a 2025 thing people forget about?
I like it. I don't think I can, by the.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: Way, if you keep. If you don't keep it and you exit where I have to reveal all three at once.
So for the listeners, are you keeping it?
I didn't.
[00:51:35] Speaker B: There's probably. There's probably worse ones on the list. Okay, I'll keep it. I'LL keep it. Fine.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: I did negotiate right there with. With.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: That's a good move. I wasn't keeping track of how many I cut.
[00:51:44] Speaker A: We got three left.
[00:51:45] Speaker B: Okay, hit me.
[00:51:47] Speaker A: So you gotta cut one of these.
[00:51:48] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:51:49] Speaker A: What about terrible towels? That's, like, legendary.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: I'll keep the terrible towels.
[00:51:53] Speaker A: Wow. It's cool.
[00:51:55] Speaker B: That's. That's. That's staying power.
[00:51:57] Speaker A: Okay.
What about putting people through tables?
[00:52:01] Speaker B: Oh, man.
[00:52:02] Speaker A: You like a good table?
[00:52:04] Speaker B: That's a pretty good one.
[00:52:06] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: That's a good one.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Okay, so are you keeping that, or do you want to see what's behind door number two?
[00:52:14] Speaker B: Dang it, man. What are you saving for the end?
[00:52:18] Speaker A: Good. And maybe it's a zonk.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: I'm trying to think. What are they gonna do? What do the Arizona Cardinals have to.
[00:52:25] Speaker A: The Arizoners?
[00:52:28] Speaker B: What else could there be?
You're looking like those Atlanta F. Oh, no, you're.
You're going to do the. The Viking horn thing.
[00:52:37] Speaker A: Oh, the skull.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's not bad. The skull clap and then the big horn that they blow. Don't they do that? Then the Buccaneers, like, blow cannons or something like that.
[00:52:47] Speaker A: Cannon's pretty sick. Canon is a cannon.
[00:52:49] Speaker B: I don't hate the cannons. I'm going with tables. Keeping the tables.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: Going with the tables.
[00:52:53] Speaker B: What do you got? What I miss?
[00:52:54] Speaker A: All right, well, you will forever not be able to be known as the 12th Man.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: That's cool. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:53:02] Speaker A: The 12th man is pretty sick.
[00:53:03] Speaker B: It is. I like that. That was brilliant branding.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: So inspired to review our listeners. I. I would like to hear if anybody had a feel like they did a better 3 than Kyle.
The things that you cut.
Cheese heads. Kind of sacrilegious for you.
[00:53:19] Speaker B: You led with that. I didn't know where you were going. I didn't know what the group categories were going to be.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: By the way, I'm going to fill you a little bit of time right here. If you had the list of all five or of all eight, what three would you keep? I'll let you answer at the end, but right now, your five cuts are Cheeseheads. Yelling, who dat? Yelling da Bears. J E T S. Jets. Jets. Jets. And being known as the twelfth band. The things you cut or the things you kept Du Terrible towels. Putting people through tables.
Okay, I think you're keeping the tables.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: I'm keeping the tables.
[00:53:54] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:53:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I probably would switch out the Zeitgeisty Duval for the legendary. The legendary D. You said that wrong.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: Can you fix it?
[00:54:07] Speaker B: Du?
[00:54:08] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:54:09] Speaker B: Switch that out. For debars, actually.
[00:54:11] Speaker A: Really?
[00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:12] Speaker A: I thought you were a 12th man kind of guy.
[00:54:14] Speaker B: I love the 12th man and I actually think it's truly inspired.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: It's one of the greatest appropriate for you to keep because it's held over for so much longer.
[00:54:24] Speaker B: Well, zeitgeist would be present moment that.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: Well, the zeitgeist of the time.
[00:54:29] Speaker B: Well, it's not anymore now it's now it's legacy.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: I can't say zeitgeist of the time.
[00:54:36] Speaker B: That's a little redundant.
[00:54:37] Speaker A: It's like ATM machine.
[00:54:40] Speaker B: Kind of.
[00:54:41] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: Well, anything else you want to leave the listeners with or do I just leave them with ATM machine as the final thing of our. Of our podcast?
Do we predict the playoff games? Did you guys do that last week?
[00:54:55] Speaker B: Yeah, we do.
[00:54:55] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Well, how could we not? We got a great slate of games. The Texans are definitely going to beat.
Definitely going to beat the Steelers.
[00:55:06] Speaker B: How?
[00:55:07] Speaker A: It's a three point spread. I mean, put your house on it.
[00:55:09] Speaker B: I don't even know right now.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: I could care less. I don't want to know. I'm waking up tomorrow without having looked at the score and I'm knowing the Texans are playing next week.
Don't you tell me what the score is right now. I know you're doing it. Don't do it.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: Second quarter, two minute warning.
[00:55:24] Speaker A: It's going to be 14. Nothing's yours.
[00:55:26] Speaker B: It's a one point game.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Seven six.
[00:55:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:55:30] Speaker A: Oh, of course. Steelers winning.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: No, Texans are up by a point.
[00:55:35] Speaker A: That's not like here, buddy. Give me minus three and a half, though. All right, next week we have a great slate of games.
We have the Bears versus the Rams. Who's your pick in that one?
[00:55:49] Speaker B: Oh, man, that's a great matchup.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: I think we gotta be quick with these, right?
[00:55:52] Speaker B: I genuinely think that the. The Bears secondary is not going to hold up to that Rams passing attack.
So I think that the Rams will upset the Bears.
[00:56:02] Speaker A: I got the Bears winning.
[00:56:04] Speaker B: Okay. That's a good pick. I respect it.
[00:56:06] Speaker A: I'm buying Ben Johnson.
[00:56:09] Speaker B: Seeing them in the conference championship would just be crazy. It's been so, so long since we even had to think about.
[00:56:15] Speaker A: I love a villain as. I just love a villain.
Like, there's something about Ben Johnson.
Like, I saw a gambler who had bet like $15,000 on over one and a half seconds for the handshake.
Really? He took the over and it definitely was under.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: That was one of the shortest handshakes. I've ever seen.
[00:56:38] Speaker A: I've never seen a shorter one. I can't think of one like.
[00:56:40] Speaker B: Well, I certainly can't do that.
[00:56:41] Speaker A: Yeah, like, even the Harbaugh.
Was it Schwartz, him and Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, who when he was with San Fran and he was that. Who gave the handshake where they like, almost fought after the handshake that was even longer than.
[00:56:57] Speaker B: Oh, man, there's been some storied rivalries.
[00:56:59] Speaker A: Johnson one. So how about.
How about Pats versus whoever wins that game?
Are you taking Pats?
[00:57:07] Speaker B: No matter what, the Pats over the Texans or Steelers. Yeah, yeah, that's tough.
[00:57:13] Speaker A: That's our only determine undetermined game right now, but obviously it will be at New England no matter what.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: Yeah, Yeah.
I.
I think the Patriots would be the Steelers.
Not sure about the Texans.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: Okay, so a TBD right there.
[00:57:28] Speaker B: Tbd one.
[00:57:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Bills and Broncos. Remember both Bills and Broncos and 49ers and Seahawks. You said that doesn't really surprise me.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: If I think the Bills will upset the Broncos. Seahawks, I actually think that they've got a really good chance to get those Niners.
It won't shock me if the Niners somehow figure this out, but, man, I was talking to Thane for a long time, the Seahawks fan, and I was giving him crap because they've had a great season and we haven't heard as.
[00:57:55] Speaker A: Much anything from Thane.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Thane, we're calling you out. We need to hear more from you.
[00:58:02] Speaker A: Oh, hold on.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: When your team is awesome.
No, no, that's not him. That's not him. But his is delighted at the state of his team, as one can imagine.
[00:58:12] Speaker A: And I bet he is.
[00:58:13] Speaker B: They are well positioned for this game and they have played very well against their division opponents this season.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: So Seattle's defense scares me significantly more than their offense does. And their offense is pretty good. But when that offense gets a running game going, they're a scary team. But that defense scares the piss out of me. Like, there's something that offenses must just absolutely be having nightmares about.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Oh, 100%. McDonald has proven himself as one of the great defensive minds in the game, and it took a season to get established. But that's the difference between this team. I was actually looking at it. I was, like, trying to dig a little bit into the progression that the Seahawks have made.
And I had some, like, notes about this. A Seahawks comparison, and so much credit to Mike McDonald for the growth. Like the Seahawks, they were.
They were pretty average in terms of offense.
His like in 2023, they were slightly regressed, only slightly offensively in 2024.
[00:59:27] Speaker A: Last year, this year.
[00:59:31] Speaker B: No, last year, whatever. Basically the last two years they had basically an average ish offense in terms of points per game and yards per game.
[00:59:41] Speaker A: But defense, defense.
[00:59:43] Speaker B: Two years ago, 2023, the year before the year, the last year with Pete Carroll, the year before they hired Mike McDonald and that was the year that Mike McDonald's with the Ravens and their defense was unstoppable. Yeah, they were basically the worst defense in the NFL. And then in one year he took them from like 30th in yards per game and defense up to 11th and then. And then huge jump. Another leap this year from 11th in yards. Well, actually he's only 10th in yards per game this year. But they're first in points per game. The number one defense in terms of fewest opponents points against them this year.
[01:00:25] Speaker A: So you're locking in Seattle versus Thane.
[01:00:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:33] Speaker B: It really is. It really is a Mike McDonald masterpiece. And it demonstrates the time that it takes give. Give coaches a little bit of grace to establish what they've got. When, especially when you're at the bottom and you're having. You're having to build this up. Don't expect, you know, somebody to turn the Titans and Falcons around in one season to go from worst to or the Raiders, for example, next year. If you can get too competent, if you can get to middle of the pack and you're after, you can be one of the best. That's going to be a Mike McDonald like Ascension.
What was the question? What are we talking about?
[01:01:04] Speaker A: We're talking about Seattle and San Fran. That was your pick. I'm going to say that Seattle will beat San Fran and that they will lose in the NFC championship.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: Oh, a pre pick.
[01:01:15] Speaker A: A little pre pick. And I will tell you that the Bears will be in the Super Bowl. Wow. Wow.
[01:01:21] Speaker B: Okay. That's cool. That's exciting, man.
[01:01:24] Speaker A: That would be super bowl preview from the afc. Can you pick yours?
[01:01:28] Speaker B: My super bowl preview from who's going.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: To be in the super bowl from the afc. Because the listeners aren't going to hear from you for sure.
[01:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true.
[01:01:36] Speaker A: Whether Ian and I do a pod next week without you is beside the point. But that would be unique. By the way, maybe we'll get Thane to open the doors for us.
[01:01:45] Speaker B: Let's see, we've got five teams still alive.
[01:01:48] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. Steelers. They're in there.
You gotta have like a 0.3% at least in your book.
[01:01:58] Speaker B: I like.
There's not a team here that I would be less surprised by than if the Bills made it.
So I'm gonna. I'm gonna say that would be the least surprising to me.
[01:02:12] Speaker A: My final question I have for you. Okay.
[01:02:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:02:14] Speaker A: By the way, you say least surprising, and is that your pick? That's different.
[01:02:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:02:20] Speaker A: Has there ever been a more pressure to succeed in the NFL history than the Bills?
[01:02:26] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure that's such a hard thing to.
[01:02:30] Speaker A: He came in and everyone said, hey, just so you know, your two biggest rivals, they're not here. So you basically have to win it all. If you don't, it's been a failure.
[01:02:37] Speaker B: It's.
[01:02:38] Speaker A: If you don't, we're firing your coach and changing the entire structure of the organization.
[01:02:42] Speaker B: Absolutely. There's enormous pressure.
[01:02:45] Speaker A: There's ever been more pressure on a succeed. I'm going to tell you right now before our next pot. I'm going to go look at that next week or the week after. Whenever we pod next, I will let you know if there has ever been a succeed with more pressure.
Yeah.
[01:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a good one.
I. I like that. I think. And it's a great pick. I. Off the top of my head, I can think of none. Because as you. As you laid it out, like the.
[01:03:07] Speaker A: Seeds all kind of blend together.
[01:03:08] Speaker B: This is your opportunity. You better not squander this. You had better not. There's no excuse.
[01:03:14] Speaker A: Would you call.
[01:03:15] Speaker B: I mean, there are excuses like your team is not.
[01:03:17] Speaker A: Would you call me joker if he didn't?
[01:03:19] Speaker B: No.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: I want to thank you for listening to the point after this, the part where Ian turns off his headset and says, all right, Marshall, you got it. And so for that, we thank you.
