Wk 16: Hashtag Football Hashtag Podcast

[00:00:00] Speaker A: This episode of the Point after is brought to you by Selligrate. Selligrate is a brand I co own selling fun and unique gifts. Our specialty is Scratch off posters. Now I know we have a lot of listeners in Michigan, so today I want to highlight one of my favorite Scratch off posters. The Michigan County's Explorers map. This Scratch off poster is designed to get you exploring all the wonders this great state has to offer. It includes a beautiful and colorful map of Michigan concealed beneath the gold Scratch off layer. As you travel across the mitten, you scratch off each of Michigan's 83 counties one at a time. What you need to do to count a county as scratch off worthy, that's up to you. There's a white box on the poster where you can write in your criteria. You could challenge yourself to go camping in every county or eat a coney dog in each county or take a selfie in each county or listen to the Point after in every county. Enjoy your passion while exploring the most beautiful state in the nation. Get your Michigan County's Explorer's map today for any adventurous friends you have and grab one for yourself too. Just to see who can scratch off the most counties. Get 15% off any order on sellagrate shop. While also supporting this show, when you use code pat, that's pat at checkout on C E L E G R E A T Shop. [00:01:13] Speaker B: Welcome to the Point after show with Kyle Maurer, Marshall heslaw and Ian DeWitt. This is the show where the guys attempt to pick the winners of the weekly NFL games along with some healthy debate about current topics. Let's go. Ho, ho, ho. What'd you call me? Hey, boys. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Feeling festive? [00:01:33] Speaker C: Quite. There. You guys are both in straight up, like Christmas gear and I just. It's got a sweater on. [00:01:39] Speaker B: I declare Christmas. [00:01:41] Speaker C: He's got an office reference. And you have. You have raptors. [00:01:46] Speaker A: It's a beautiful Christmas. It's very warm actually, this Christmas. [00:01:50] Speaker C: I mean, what I can say about this is it's Sherpa lined. [00:01:53] Speaker B: I'm more of a pop reference kind of guy when it comes to like what I'm wearing for Christmas gear than I am like ugly sweater. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:02:02] Speaker C: Define. There is a debate, Okay. I think about what really is. [00:02:08] Speaker B: If it is an itchy, it's not ugly sweater. [00:02:10] Speaker C: Yeah. So, like, what defines ugly sweater? Because ugly sweater really started off as like ugly patterned sweaters that were hideous right from way back and now they've transitioned into really just who's got the silliest sweater? [00:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:02:26] Speaker C: Because the we are. Our work. Just had an ugly sweater. Did you win competition? I. I don't have an ugly sweater. Like, like, not like, seriously, I don't. [00:02:35] Speaker B: You didn't get in? [00:02:36] Speaker C: I didn't even know I didn't do it. [00:02:38] Speaker B: Wow. [00:02:38] Speaker A: I'm a little disappointed. [00:02:39] Speaker C: Well, I didn't want to buy. I didn't want to. I'll just be honest. I didn't want to buy another sweater that I'm not gonna wear right now. [00:02:48] Speaker A: But disappointed. [00:02:49] Speaker C: I have always been disappointed in the fact that when I have participated, I actually try to wear truly an ugly sweater. [00:02:57] Speaker A: Right. [00:02:58] Speaker C: And then I end up losing because. Oh, but it's not like on theme. And I'm like, this is the what it was. [00:03:05] Speaker B: The only thing that matters. [00:03:07] Speaker C: This is what it was. And everyone just like wins because they had a Santa Claus. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Maybe I'll get you a better one next year. [00:03:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:03:14] Speaker B: It's your Christmas gift. [00:03:15] Speaker A: You can pull off anything. [00:03:16] Speaker B: While we talk about gifts, guys, let's talk about question of the day. Best gift that you would ask for as a football fan. Number one. [00:03:23] Speaker A: Tickets. Lions tickets. Number one. What might be better than that? [00:03:27] Speaker B: You said what about just an old fashioned pig skin? [00:03:31] Speaker A: No, you said this is best. Best ticket, best gift. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Tickets. [00:03:34] Speaker A: I mean, tickets would be tickets to alliance game. It doesn't get better than that. That's best. [00:03:39] Speaker C: This is true. [00:03:40] Speaker A: Everything is. [00:03:40] Speaker B: What if I let you. [00:03:42] Speaker C: I'll. I'll one up this. [00:03:44] Speaker A: Oh, how could you one up Alliance? [00:03:45] Speaker B: What if I could. Hutchinson's good leg. [00:03:50] Speaker A: He needs it more than me. [00:03:51] Speaker C: I was like, what are you gonna do with it? Does he no longer have. Does he no longer have. [00:03:56] Speaker B: Maybe he has one leg. [00:03:57] Speaker C: He only has one leg. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Maybe. Let's keep going down this road. [00:04:02] Speaker C: I don't know. Bionicle man. [00:04:04] Speaker A: Okay. [00:04:05] Speaker B: I want that. [00:04:06] Speaker A: You're actually pricing tickets. We were looking. I was looking at pricing. [00:04:10] Speaker C: I'll tell you. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Tickets. [00:04:11] Speaker C: I'll tell you one thing. [00:04:12] Speaker A: Okay. [00:04:13] Speaker C: I do have. If I was to go to a game, like, really shell out the money. [00:04:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:19] Speaker C: Go all out. I would want to go. And they might be. This might happen next year. So I'll have to look into this. I want to go the draft to alliance packers game in Lambeau. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Oh, done that. [00:04:33] Speaker C: I've never been to Lambeau. [00:04:35] Speaker A: I've never been to Fort Field or what Lions game. I shouldn't say. Yeah. [00:04:38] Speaker C: So I've been to Ford Field for a Lions game multiple times. [00:04:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Me too. [00:04:41] Speaker C: But I've never been to a Lambo game. [00:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:04:44] Speaker C: And I want it is on my bucket list to go there for a Lions game. [00:04:49] Speaker A: Wow. [00:04:50] Speaker C: In the snow. I want it to be. [00:04:52] Speaker B: I watched Darren Rogers's last game in green for Green Bay. [00:04:55] Speaker A: That's right. You did. [00:04:56] Speaker C: You went to that game at Ford Field. Y. Oh, at Ford Field. I thought you were talking about when you like what I was like. Wait, I didn't know this cuz I thought you went to. [00:05:06] Speaker B: So tickets is number one. [00:05:08] Speaker A: I can't think of anything unless you. [00:05:10] Speaker C: Want to go like Fantasy island and say like a Super bowl win. But if we're being realistic. [00:05:17] Speaker A: Right. [00:05:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say tickets. [00:05:20] Speaker A: I don't feel like tickets. [00:05:21] Speaker B: What if I said the best answer is a field pass? What about that? [00:05:24] Speaker A: A field pass. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:26] Speaker C: Go on the field is like a high priority ticket. But I mean. Yeah, that would be awesome. [00:05:31] Speaker A: All right. Yeah, yeah. It's still. It's still a ticket. [00:05:34] Speaker B: I do think a fresh football. It just came out of the box. Rub it against your face. [00:05:40] Speaker A: Oh, I love it. [00:05:40] Speaker B: Fresh pig skin. [00:05:41] Speaker A: I don't want to put it down. [00:05:43] Speaker B: Hold on. Let's get a little asmr. You ready? [00:05:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:47] Speaker B: That's me rubbing my face up to the pig skin. [00:05:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I do love that. Oh, just the feeling of that ball in your hands. You want to just be all time QB like Ian always is whenever we play. [00:05:57] Speaker B: Ian's got a cannon secretly for having arms like a gazelle. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Oh, and Ian gets so frustrated every time he like throws a pick or an incomplete. Give it back to me. No, no, I'm still a quarterb. I'm going to make up for this. I'm going to get it back. So determined. [00:06:11] Speaker C: Although when we used to do this, I totally can understand how a quarterback can just like find a guy and you just get in groove with. [00:06:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:20] Speaker C: Because when we would play some of my better versions of myself. [00:06:24] Speaker B: Nobody wants to hear about fantasy football. We have a segment about that now. We want to hear about Ian playing quarterback. [00:06:30] Speaker C: The best games I felt like I played or at least rounds. I never played a great game, but yeah. Were when I had just a guy that I would just always throw to. [00:06:39] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [00:06:40] Speaker C: They would just always be available. I can appreciate that. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. You always had great pocket presence. [00:06:49] Speaker C: That's a absolute bull crap. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Not much of a scrambler, I don't think. [00:06:52] Speaker C: Okay, okay. [00:06:53] Speaker A: All right. [00:06:54] Speaker C: It's kind of hard when, you know, I don't have any blockers and if they touch me, you're just down. What we need to do if we ever did this again. I'VE actually been thinking about buying this for. For Lumen for when we do, like, events. Getting like flag football. Get the tags. [00:07:10] Speaker A: There you go. [00:07:11] Speaker C: I think that would be legit. [00:07:12] Speaker A: Okay. That'd be fun. [00:07:13] Speaker B: They're fun. We used to borrow them from Knights back in the day when I worked at St. John's guys, let's hear some of our mailbag questions. First one comes in, we're gonna go off the board, off of college. Okay. Clear to. It writes in. I don't think Bill Belichick will make a great college coach. Just not sure which coaching style, if his coaching style. I'm sorry. Will translate well. [00:07:35] Speaker A: Got it. Okay. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Claire. I think that's kind of the perspective. A lot of the criticism when he left, if you remember, was that he did not connect with his young players. But he was always a great Talha talent evaluator. He's always. We always said, what did he know that the rest of us don't? Why did he cut villain swole fork and everyone else kept him. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:07:55] Speaker B: Like, what did he know? We didn't. And that's kind of a big deal in college. And you don't think some of these NFL players would say, I want my kid to go play for Belichick? You don't think he's going to out coach? You don't think he has the ability to have a higher coaching level, just X's and O's in the game? The game is going on. I know talent level is different. It's going to take some time to get some people. And in today's ncaa, that could be a lot less of an amount of time than we think with what the transfer portal is. He already got his first transfer portal person this past, like two days ago. [00:08:32] Speaker A: He's a living legend. I think people, he's already in front of the line to get the meetings with the top. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Did you hear the country rumor? I love a good college rumor. I used to love a good NFL rumor. And now college is just legitimately the underleagues that are now paid for. I heard Arch Manning might get a call from Bill Belichick from Texas. Archie. [00:08:57] Speaker C: Wow. [00:08:58] Speaker B: To go play for Bill Belichick. [00:09:00] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:02] Speaker C: Manning playing for Belichick. [00:09:04] Speaker B: I love it. I love it. [00:09:06] Speaker A: It's kind of fun. [00:09:07] Speaker C: Arch. Now that's not Peyton's kid. [00:09:09] Speaker B: That's no. Or Eli's kid. [00:09:11] Speaker C: That's the other ones. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Correct. [00:09:13] Speaker A: Their nephew. [00:09:14] Speaker C: What's his name? [00:09:15] Speaker A: No, the other guy. Yeah. [00:09:17] Speaker C: Well, there's. Archie was their dad. Right? Archie Manning was the dad. And Then there was. Oh my gosh. It's not, it's, it's. Oh, I. You're gonna say the name and I'm gonna be like, ah, he does Cooper. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Okay, thank you. [00:09:32] Speaker C: That's right. [00:09:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:33] Speaker C: Cuz it. Yeah. He would do these like segments for Fox. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, I think, Claire, based on coaching style in game, I don't think there's anybody. I mean, he's proven it. He's a great coach in terms of the connecting to players. That's what's going to be interesting. But I'll say this. Randy Moss loved Bill Belichick. Loved him, I think. And there's a respect for that, you know. [00:09:57] Speaker C: Yeah. I think the big draw for recruits is going to be that he's going to know how to get them ready for the NFL. So he's going to be a lot more appealing to kids who are trying to get to that next step and he's probably going to have a lot of those connections to help those kids get set up for success. [00:10:17] Speaker B: And I don't know if you guys watch a lot of college football as much as I do. Maybe the acc, it's, it's not all that great. So North Carolina is the prize chip in the acc. If any other conference like the Big Ten or the big or the SEC was to take, that's the chip everyone wants. [00:10:36] Speaker C: And the way the playoffs are going to work for college Now, I mean. [00:10:40] Speaker B: ACC's got a shot. If you get to win the championship and you win the ACC championship, you're in the playoff period. So I like it. I like the question, Claire. We have a commission report, but instead of an audio, we did get a written in segment from the one and only Adam Silver, the commission. Kyle, hit us with what we got here. [00:11:00] Speaker A: Adam writes us, not in the mood to dissect this one. One of the worst games of Purdy's career and again, a game of missed opportunities, dropped passes, dropped interceptions, etc, blah, blah, blah. The team was on life support before this game. Now they're ready to be read their last rights hashtag, the party's over. [00:11:21] Speaker B: The Purdy's over. Oh. [00:11:23] Speaker A: Oh my gosh. That's a good one. You know, I'll side note, my co workers were telling me today that hashtags are on the way out. [00:11:34] Speaker B: What's a new thing? [00:11:35] Speaker A: Nothing. No? [00:11:36] Speaker B: How are we gonna find it? [00:11:37] Speaker A: Apparently Elon doesn't like hashtags. [00:11:39] Speaker B: Then I want to keep doing hashtags. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Hashtags are basically becoming a discouraged thing by the platform. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Can I ask A new question of the day. What sign would you like to be? The new thing. Because we can't do an ampersand because that's tags people. You can't do a hashtag. The number sign. Because that's a hashtag that's on its way out. Money, percent. The A. I like a good. And. Oh yeah, that could be cool. I like that as a. That could be up there. [00:12:14] Speaker A: Could have connotations. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:18] Speaker A: I don't know all of these. [00:12:19] Speaker C: Exclamation mark. [00:12:20] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. I do. Exclamation mark. Too many times in sentences. You need something that's not. [00:12:25] Speaker C: What about the asterisk? [00:12:26] Speaker A: I think the little tilde or. No, the little squiggle. [00:12:29] Speaker C: Yeah, the tilde. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:31] Speaker C: That's what that is. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. That's a little wave. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I like a good wave. [00:12:35] Speaker A: I could do that. It's not. Doesn't have like any other functional purpose and other. That's a good one. But I do think that hashtags are going to be a millennial thing. There's a. There's a short term future where if you say anything hashtag, you're gonna. It'd be. [00:12:52] Speaker B: I do think they called out. I want the title of this pod to be hashtag. [00:12:56] Speaker A: We can use it, we can embrace it. But subsequent generations after us are going to cringe whenever hashtags come up. Because it's dying. [00:13:03] Speaker C: They. Well, it's been overused. Yeah, I. I think hashtag has been overused for. [00:13:07] Speaker B: I want your entire commission report to be in hashtags next week. Commission. Hashtag commission. [00:13:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:13] Speaker C: One thing about just the. The Rams. [00:13:16] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Go back to the game. [00:13:18] Speaker C: The NFC west just in general. Such a fascinating division because the rams started at 1 and 4 and now they're leading the division. They're probably going to win the division. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Odds are likely that they know Smith. [00:13:31] Speaker C: No. Is there any word come out about what happened to him? [00:13:34] Speaker A: Still unconfirmed whether he's going to be able to play this coming week. It was a knee injury. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Not so. No. No tear. Nothing wrong there. [00:13:42] Speaker B: That's beneficial. Yeah. [00:13:43] Speaker C: Okay. So. [00:13:44] Speaker A: So you got maybe Geno Mrs. Sam Howell looked non. [00:13:48] Speaker C: Which if you out there, even with. Even with Gino. Tough game. [00:13:53] Speaker A: Tough. I love them. I love that team. I love that player. But if you can't keep your quarterback from hitting the dirt seven times a game, you're not a contender. [00:14:02] Speaker C: Well, and that's what's going to happen. They're going to get injured. [00:14:04] Speaker A: Yep. They're Going to get injured, and you can't compete if they're getting sacked as often as. [00:14:07] Speaker C: So the Niners, obviously, just an abysmal year, just in general. A lot of injuries. Not the most injured team in the league right now, let me tell you. But I just thought what was actually funnier coming out of that game, and I kind of texted this to you guys, was that the Rams went from the winning the highest scoring game of the season to being in the only game, winning the only game without a single touchdown. I just think that's hilarious. [00:14:40] Speaker A: It is. Wow. Back to back. [00:14:42] Speaker C: I know. That's just kind of crazy. [00:14:44] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Their running game is kind of a little wonky. They really. They're really kind of pass heavy with Stafford most of the time because I think. What is it? Kyrene Williams. Kyren Williams, which I did not know is cousins with Jamo. Kidding. Yeah, I did not know that. I did not know that. I found out that week that they. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Were cousins in the NFL. [00:15:07] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, That's. That's great. I did. I just like to hear commission. I'm sorry. Like, I like you as a person. I like hearing your demise, like, because you've gotten to laugh for three years at different teams falling apart. [00:15:26] Speaker A: I know. [00:15:27] Speaker B: It's your turn. It's your turn. And you can talk about Notre Dame if they lose to Indiana on Friday. And if they do, God help you if you say a thing to me on this podcast. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Oh, goodness gracious. [00:15:38] Speaker C: Wow. Wow. [00:15:39] Speaker B: The threat is answered. [00:15:40] Speaker C: It's pretty intense. [00:15:41] Speaker B: Our last question comes from. We got a little short mailbag this week, but we're going to hit, like, some NFL things, and I'm going to do that if it's okay with you guys. We have our biggest news, and we have some stats that basically go with a lot of these games. That's how we're going to navigate through these. Our big news today, if you guys are good with that, what do you think? [00:15:57] Speaker C: I don't know what you mean, but we're going to find out. [00:15:59] Speaker B: All right, our last question comes from Justin Matson, who is the Cousin Eddie of the NFL. So you're the National Lampoon Christmas vacation expert here, Kyle. [00:16:09] Speaker A: Right? [00:16:10] Speaker B: You've seen it more than both of us. [00:16:12] Speaker C: I am. I don't know. I've seen it pretty frequently. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Okay, well, both of you are experts. I've only seen it once. Describe to me cousin Eddie. [00:16:19] Speaker C: He's kind of crazy. Okay. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Cousin Eddie. Well, he's like a little trailer trash. [00:16:25] Speaker C: Is literally what they're Going for. [00:16:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:16:27] Speaker B: He's. [00:16:28] Speaker C: He literally lives in a trailer. [00:16:29] Speaker A: You don't want to take him anywhere. He's crude. He's happy. He's. You're. He shows up and you kind of put your hand in your hands and say, oh, no. [00:16:43] Speaker C: Here. This is the. The best way to describe this is because he basically plays the same character in Independence Day. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Oh, does he really? [00:16:52] Speaker C: What? Same kind of vibes, though. [00:16:54] Speaker A: Okay. [00:16:54] Speaker C: Like, all over the place. Reckless. Kind of ridiculous. Because it's the guy from Independence Day. That's, like, at the very end. Hey, boys. Back. [00:17:08] Speaker B: That didn't really help me, to be honest. [00:17:10] Speaker A: Character. [00:17:11] Speaker C: An annoying character. [00:17:12] Speaker A: Like, way don't want you here. So you could kind of go with, like, an Aaron Rodgers or something. Like. [00:17:17] Speaker C: No, we don't actually. Actually fits. [00:17:20] Speaker A: You know, you're kind of here. We don't want you. You know, we. The fans. You're, like, taking a. [00:17:27] Speaker B: For me, for me, for me. [00:17:29] Speaker A: I think. [00:17:30] Speaker C: I don't even know if Kirk Cousins would qualify here. [00:17:32] Speaker B: What about deshawn Watson? [00:17:35] Speaker A: No, he. He's, like, too toxic, too. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Okay. I went too far in the line. [00:17:39] Speaker A: Because this guy, he has, like, likable characteristics to him. You know, he's, like, happy, jolly. Like, give a big hug. But you also get annoyed by his crudeness and habit. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Do you think the Browns think Jamis Winston is the Cousin Eddie? [00:17:54] Speaker A: I could see it because. [00:17:55] Speaker B: A good one because they already mentioned him. [00:17:57] Speaker A: He was the first person that I thought of because he says the craziest things. Just like Cousin Eddie. So Jamus is in contention for Cousin Eddie. [00:18:05] Speaker B: What about Andy? Dawn intensity on 3? 1, 2, 3. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Maybe the things that he says are just not crazy enough. Not crazy enough. [00:18:14] Speaker C: Forgot about that. That's a great clip. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Those of you just Google indie Dawn Intensity clip. Yeah, I don't know if I got anybody. Is there a coach that's like, that? Everybody's like, g. This guy, like, is Mike McCarthy that, like, he's kind of. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Not jolly Jerry Jones, just because. [00:18:29] Speaker B: But he's not jolly. He's just clueless. Like, that's different, I think. [00:18:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:18:34] Speaker B: Is there any. Who do you think of as jolly? [00:18:36] Speaker A: The Jolly Jamis is Jolly James. [00:18:38] Speaker B: James is jolly. [00:18:40] Speaker C: You landed on Jamis, and now that we're on him, I don't know if there's anybody better if we can get off of it. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right, right, right. [00:18:48] Speaker B: Nick Sirianni. Nick Sirianni could be that he's crazy. He's pretty jolly, except for when he's yelling at his own coach on the sideline. [00:18:56] Speaker C: He's kind of aggressive though. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Yeah, he's like too. [00:19:00] Speaker A: Wow. We're really like, we're really analyzing this, man. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Next week I want the Grinch of the NFL. We all think of it. [00:19:06] Speaker A: Don't say it right now. Writing in about this. Of all things after, after Minnesota is looking dominant and and, and putting up. We're not getting your Vikings takes right now. I'm partially disappointed. I want to hear more. I want to hear more. Vikings love at this late in the season as they're 11 and two controlling their own destiny. [00:19:23] Speaker B: I think just a little bit of what you do with Green Bay. I'm gonna not talk about Green Bay. [00:19:29] Speaker A: Okay. [00:19:29] Speaker B: Because he lives the Minnesota lifestyle all the time. That this is the one place I think he kind of puts his hair down and kind of. Okay, let's, you know, get a little frisky with some other teams. [00:19:40] Speaker A: Love it. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Some different ideas. All right, Justin, let's talk some biggest news. We had a lot of good games that happened this week and the way I'd like to pick. I'm going to pick one game that we're going to talk about and we're just going to dive into a couple stats. The first one, I'm going to pick the Lions. I'm going to pick the Lions and Bills. Give me the score to that Bills game. Ian, what Was the final? [00:20:02] Speaker C: 48, 42. [00:20:03] Speaker B: And you guys know that there's only one team in the NFL with 15 players on the IR. The Lions. Oh, I'm sorry, it's not 15. It's 22. [00:20:13] Speaker C: They have an almost an entire defensive roster on the ir. [00:20:16] Speaker A: That's insane. A lot of those have their own Honolulu flu. [00:20:20] Speaker B: Wow, that's a great for. That's amazing. Now, David Montgomery, one of their newest additions, most likely out for the rest of the season. Do you guys know what his over under is for rushing yards for the year? [00:20:32] Speaker C: He is under a thousand right now. [00:20:34] Speaker B: It's 775 and a half. Do you know how many he has right now? [00:20:38] Speaker C: Probably exactly that. [00:20:39] Speaker B: 775. [00:20:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:20:41] Speaker B: Whoa. Wow. That's Bonko. Let's also talk about the Lions game because Jared Goff, the first person to ever throw five touchdowns and no interceptions and lose a game. 400 plus yards too, while also winning a game with five interceptions. That is a mind blower right there. So, Josh Allen, we're going to talk a little bit. I'm going to kind of just give you something historic when we get to the Ravens when it comes to MVP race because I actually think it's closer than a lot of people think. I think we're very prisoner at the moment. Depending on how these last couple weeks go for the Ravens, I have a. [00:21:20] Speaker A: Lot of notes on that. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Josh Allen, last three games, he has been sacked zero times, fumbled zero times, zero interceptions, and one negative play. That was when he took a knee. He has 704 passing yards, 151 rushing, and 10 total touchdowns. [00:21:35] Speaker A: First quarterback in history to get two back to back 40 plus point fantasy point games. [00:21:40] Speaker C: Dude's insane right now. [00:21:41] Speaker B: He's killing it. It's. It's nuts. [00:21:43] Speaker C: The eye test is like, out of this world. He is like a drone over New Jersey right now. [00:21:48] Speaker B: It's scary. Yeah, it's scary. But, like, honestly, like, I look at some of what happened with the Lions and I think for weeks I've been saying, you can't be injured this much. And Ian, every week you've been like, but they are. And you know what? You were right. But you're right until you're not. And this is one of those where it's like, gosh, there's so many holes in this defense and it's been getting worse and worse in terms of the holes, they've been getting more and more. [00:22:11] Speaker C: Yeah. So I. I mean, obviously you're not going to look at what the Lions have going on with their defense and be, like, happy about it. If anything, there's a lot of Lions fans who are trying to cope. Most Lions fans are pretty much aware that is probably. It's probably not going to end up in a Super bowl right now. You just can't. You can't take a defense that has legitimate practice squad guys on it to a Super Bowl. It's just not going to happen. You don't. You legitimately don't see those teams in the super bowl for a reason. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:45] Speaker C: There's just too many holes now. And when Montgomery goes down, you're just like, yeah, like, that's. That was like. That felt like the death blow to me more than any of the other defenses now, I think. Here's a. So, just from, like, some positive things to think about. [00:23:07] Speaker A: We need them. Thank you. [00:23:08] Speaker C: Because I don't. While the Montgomery going down is obviously a major bummer, I have felt in the last several weeks, Gibbs has actually been the bigger performer for the running backs. Obviously, it's not a dig on Monty. Of course, Monty has been absolutely phenomenal for us all season. But Gibbs has had a little bit More of a workload probably because Monty, who got injured, I think in one of the previous games, he was out for most of the game. He was out for a majority of this game. [00:23:41] Speaker B: The Bears game. [00:23:42] Speaker C: Right. Thank you. And so he's already had to shoulder a lot of it. And I think he's gonna. I think offensively they will be fine. I really do think they're going to be just fine. They got enough weapons. Tim Patrick. [00:23:56] Speaker B: Wow. An addition that I scoffed at. [00:24:00] Speaker C: Yeah. He's really come alive. [00:24:02] Speaker B: I openly made fun of Ryan Blackmore saying, was Tim Patrick a good addition for the Lions? And I said, He's a fifth W receiver. Who cares? [00:24:09] Speaker C: He's been great. [00:24:10] Speaker B: He said three touchdowns in two weeks. [00:24:12] Speaker C: He's been great. Tim Patrick. LaPorta J O. Yeah. Their offensive line, St. Brown Golf has been playing amazing pretty much all year. [00:24:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:22] Speaker C: Gibbs is still a threat. That offense will be fine. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Agreed. [00:24:27] Speaker C: The defense will not be fine. [00:24:30] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:30] Speaker C: The biggest thing. And this is where if you watched the whole game, you noticed it. You noticed it the worst in the linebackers. They have one linebacker that is actually competent in Jack Campbell. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:44] Speaker C: You have Quan Alexander and Jamal Adams. [00:24:47] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:48] Speaker C: Jamal Adams wasn't even a linebacker when he was good. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:51] Speaker C: And so they're. They're playing him. And the Lions know that their linebacker position is so bad that they're still looking for more people. They just signed another guy off the practice squad for. Oh, where do they. It was like the Broncos or Steelers or something like that. [00:25:04] Speaker B: Regardless. But they're a. Defensive plays 1. One way they play, man. They play risky and they don't have the personnel to do that right now. Will they adjust? Will Glenn. Is it Glenn Allen. [00:25:15] Speaker A: Allen. [00:25:16] Speaker B: Aaron Glenn. Sorry. That. Will he adjust? [00:25:18] Speaker C: He's got. He's going to have to do something. This is what kind of was underrated last year is they did adjust the way their defense operated and they basically. Basically just left their guys in the back secondary on an island because they were like, you guys suck anyways. We're just going to worry about stopping the run and stopping everything in front of us. And that's why so many teams near the end of last year were passing so much on them, but they weren't scoring a lot of points because your front seven was tough. They don't have that this year. Now your back half, you're going to have to figure that out. Kirby and Branch are good. Tarians. He's okay. He's sticky. Very penalty prone. But he's a rookie. [00:26:04] Speaker B: But you're Right. I mean we can talk as long as we want. There's holes and major holes. And this week Josh Allen had about three plays that were like there. I can, I can't think of maybe two other people that can do that. They had their way with them running across his body. 60 yard bombs right where you think it's going to the person who's 20 yards in front of that person, but it's actually going 20 yards behind them. Like it's crazy right now here. Tore him apart. He's. It's only happened okay one time. Steve Young had 340 yards passing, six 60 rushing yards, two passing touchdowns and two rushing touchdowns in a game. Steve Young's the only person to do it. Josh Allen's done in back to back weeks. [00:26:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:45] Speaker A: This is nuts. [00:26:47] Speaker C: He's out of this world right now. And the thing for the Lions is they, they're obviously they're going to the playoffs. They even David could still win the division. This is what's kind of crazy. This is kind of where they've put themselves that they're kind of in this injury prone status right now, but they actually are still have a shot to. [00:27:04] Speaker A: Clench the numbers round by would be huge. [00:27:07] Speaker C: It'd be massive. [00:27:08] Speaker B: I don't think there's a team that would benefit more from it. [00:27:11] Speaker A: No. [00:27:12] Speaker C: Here's what they have to do. They have to win their next two games. They have to. They have no choice. [00:27:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:18] Speaker C: If they want like they, obviously they like everyone wants to win, but if they want to win the division and they want the number one seed, they have to win the next two. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Actually. [00:27:27] Speaker A: They have to win the next three. [00:27:28] Speaker C: Probably, I hate to tell you, probably the next three. But if they win the next two and the Vikings drop a game, which is actually likely because the Vikings and the packers are going to play each other and if there was a game that the Vikings were going to slip on, that's going to be it. You got to hope that you got to help there because then you have the division locked up going into that matchup. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:49] Speaker C: And if the Eagles slip, which I don't think they will. [00:27:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:53] Speaker C: They're really good. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:56] Speaker C: But if they did slip, then they can potentially lock up the number one seed before the final week, which would be huge because then you can get an additional additional week. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:06] Speaker C: For your starters. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:08] Speaker C: They're going to probably have to win out. And I don't know if they can beat the Vikings right now. I'll be honest, I don't know if they can do It. [00:28:14] Speaker A: That's a challenge. That's a challenge. And going into the postseason, the. I'm looking at the NFC competition, you're looking largely at tough, tough offensive matchups. [00:28:23] Speaker C: And a lot of these defenses are actually going to be pretty tough. [00:28:26] Speaker A: I mean, the Vikings have a strong defense. That's really tough unit to go up against. But you know, a lot of the other teams we're looking at the Rams, the Buccaneers, the Eagles, the Packers, a lot of those are teams with like hot offenses. Right now. You. Oh yeah, you can. The Lions right now, they can't, they can't stop those teams. [00:28:45] Speaker C: They can't. [00:28:46] Speaker A: The Eagles teams are going to put 40 plus points on them. [00:28:49] Speaker C: The Eagles, I think everyone wants to crown the Bills because of Josh Allen and his amazing gameplay. That's great. The Eagles are the most complete team right now though, to me, on both sides of the ball. They're healthy, they're playing their best ball right now. They. This is mind boggling. I don't think I've ever seen this before. They held the Steelers to two possessions in the second half. [00:29:18] Speaker B: First time since 2009. [00:29:20] Speaker C: Two possessions. They had a 10. [00:29:22] Speaker A: Like that fourth quarter drive of the. [00:29:24] Speaker C: 10 minutes and 30 seconds, 29 seconds. How do you. How you just killed the clock? Like imagine being the Steelers and thinking like, okay, we got maybe like one, maybe two more possessions. [00:29:35] Speaker B: We'll punt the ball away when they. [00:29:37] Speaker C: Never saw it again. Like, you just don't, you just don't see. [00:29:40] Speaker B: You don't see that a lot. In the end, you don't. In today's NFL, that's pretty ass happy. Out of bounds, move the ball. Like that doesn't happen a whole lot. And talking about some of these high powered offenses, there's. Can I go to my weekly. Piss Kyle off with a stat. [00:29:58] Speaker C: Go for it. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Do you guys know that right now Toyota Thon is going on in Green Bay? [00:30:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:04] Speaker A: Is it? [00:30:05] Speaker C: This is a thing that they've had with like Jordan Love because he's been like insane during. [00:30:09] Speaker B: So Jordan Love, not during Toyota thon. He has 3,800 yards passing, 29 touchdowns and 25 interceptions. Okay, so 38, 29 and 25 during Toyota Thon. [00:30:21] Speaker A: Okay. [00:30:22] Speaker B: It's a smaller area. 3,200 yards passing, 26 touchdowns and only two picks. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Whoa. [00:30:30] Speaker B: There's a petition currently in Green Bay for Toyota Thon to be extended. So I really like that. I, I'm all about any of, any of that happening. But you know, in, in the world that is these great offenses, you Know, we see some of these terrible teams, like the Bears. Like, I think the Bears are going to upset the Lions this week. [00:30:54] Speaker A: Wow. [00:30:55] Speaker C: I don't know. The Bears have been. I. I'd have to find it. [00:31:00] Speaker A: I find them painful to watch. [00:31:02] Speaker C: But the problem with the Bears. [00:31:05] Speaker B: Can I tell you what their problem is? That they need a new. [00:31:07] Speaker C: They need to do everything is what. [00:31:09] Speaker B: Let me think. The packers need to change divisions. The Vikings need to fall off. Lines need to fall off. Caleb Williams gets better. New offensive defensive coordinator. Need at least three linemen. A new coach, a new stadium, maybe new gm, new president, new owner. Something like that. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Simple. [00:31:21] Speaker B: That's all they need. [00:31:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Get in their stocking. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Lions have done that in a rebuild, right? Isn't that part of your rebuild strategy? [00:31:27] Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. Detroit could do it. Come on. They're just your neighbor. Ask for some tips there. [00:31:32] Speaker C: Since they fired Eber Floose, generally you would hope to have kind of like a. [00:31:38] Speaker B: A bump. [00:31:39] Speaker C: Like a bump. They have been worse. They are. I can't. Oh, man, I wish I could find it. I can't find where it was. But basically they are being, like, heavily outscored. Heavily. Their offense is anemic under. [00:31:53] Speaker B: I love a good anemic Under Thomas brown. [00:31:55] Speaker C: It's like 65 to, like, 5, 10. Like it. They are being massively blown out totally in some of these games. And you watch? I watch. I don't know why I put the games on last night to watch Vikings and Bears. It was awful. Yeah, they were terrible. It was bad, bad, bad. [00:32:16] Speaker A: I thought this guy was supposed to be good at, like, not taking sacks. Wasn't that one of his strengths in college? [00:32:22] Speaker B: I. Notre Dame sacked him eight times the last time they played. [00:32:25] Speaker A: He takes. He's been taking more sacks than any rookie that we've seen in many, many years. It's alarming the amount of time he's. [00:32:35] Speaker C: He doesn't know how to. Oh, here it is. Bears have been outscored under Thomas Brown 65 to 19. [00:32:44] Speaker A: It's pretty bad. [00:32:45] Speaker C: That's bad. [00:32:45] Speaker A: That's bad. [00:32:46] Speaker B: Teddy Bridgewater recently won a state championship in the state as a coach. Undefeated. Yep. No, not undefeated. They lost twice. But he only gave up 12 points the whole season. Somehow they lost twice. Holy. And gave up 12 points the whole season. Yeah. And the Bears have given that up in three weeks or have scored that much. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Way to go, Teddy. [00:33:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:10] Speaker B: Shout out to Teddy. He's one of our guys. Like, our pod doesn't really thought. Like we said, well, we should be a Colts Fan. We really all love Teddy. [00:33:17] Speaker C: I think every Teddy Bridgewater has been unanimously loved by pretty much everybody. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Did Justin miss him? I'm sure Justin. That was the. That was the peak. [00:33:26] Speaker C: Like a tragic end to his. [00:33:28] Speaker B: We want to hear. Justin, what Christmas character you think Teddy Bridgewater is? [00:33:33] Speaker A: Right. [00:33:34] Speaker C: Cindy L. Who. [00:33:36] Speaker B: Wow. Pretty endearing. [00:33:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:39] Speaker B: I always think of the Grinch when he goes, Santa, bye, bye. And then he bites the Santa plate. That's one of my favorite scenes in all of Christmas movies. [00:33:46] Speaker C: I love Teddy Bridgewater. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Don't do that. [00:33:50] Speaker C: Stop it. [00:33:51] Speaker A: Okay. All right. [00:33:53] Speaker B: I bet you do. Speaking of things that we weren't expecting to hear, how about Jonathan Taylor? We were talking about our Colts. Can I talk about Jonathan Taylor? Guys, he dropped the ball going into the end zone. It's a pandemic. It's the new coven. [00:34:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:06] Speaker C: Unbelievable. [00:34:07] Speaker B: The Bears or, I'm sorry, the Broncos. Since Jonathan Taylor got fumbled at the goal line, they had 24 unanswered points put on him. The defense forced three turnovers. And that was the momentum change because we're looking at these Broncos that beat the Colts. They're carrying $90 million in cap and dead money. Dead money money going to nobody that's playing. They have a rookie quarterback, the sixth one taken, and they're 9 and 5 with a prime spot at AFC Wildcard in the Colts. We. We guaranteed Anthony Richardson to at least have a rushing touchdown and a passing touchdown every week. It's just. Yeah, they sold all their goods on him. [00:34:51] Speaker C: Who's their. Who's their coach right now? [00:34:55] Speaker B: The guy. I'll look it up. But he's not been as impressive as what I hoped he would be. But it's just disappointing because, you know, Shane Steichen is a guy. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:35:07] Speaker B: And he was from the Eagles. He was kind of the hot shot coordinator that everyone thought would be the quarterback whisper, and he wasn't. You know, we're jumping around a lot of these teams and it's just baffling because we can talk as much as we want about these side characters and the side pieces of the NFL. There's only a few main. Main people we want on the squad. Right, right, right. And as much as we talk, like to talk about kind of the NFL as a whole, there's four or five, you know, teams that we're really looking. Do we think somebody from the outside is going to take it? Do we. Is. Should we be talking more about Minnesota? [00:35:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:35:44] Speaker B: Should we be talking more or Pittsburgh. [00:35:47] Speaker A: Or one of these, you know, Pittsburgh. [00:35:50] Speaker C: I mean, I don't know. Pittsburgh kind of. I don't know. Maybe. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Should we talk more about the Texans? Should we talk. [00:35:57] Speaker C: So isn't Stroud's kind of having a rough year, though? [00:36:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he hasn't been great. But I mean, that. It. There's. Are we going to get bit in the butt for not having talked about some of these teams? Are we going to look like idiots for not. [00:36:13] Speaker C: Well, maybe we try to talk about. [00:36:16] Speaker B: We do. We try to talk about every team in. Like, that's the true thing. [00:36:20] Speaker C: I mean, it's. So we've. We've mentioned Minnesota and Green Bay pretty frequently, I feel like. And those are out of the teams in the nfc. I mean, that's your top four right there. That are. Any of them. Any of them could find their way in the super bowl, if we're being honest. Any of them. [00:36:39] Speaker A: I don't know that we're that kind of show. Like, we're not. We're not news. We're not. We're not Sports Center. You know, we're just like. We're just fun guys. You know, we're a group of fun guys. [00:36:51] Speaker B: Chill guys. [00:36:51] Speaker A: We just. We're just chill guys. We just talk about whatever week. [00:36:54] Speaker B: You guys know what Chill guys. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Week to week. [00:36:57] Speaker C: No, no. [00:36:58] Speaker A: What? What? [00:36:58] Speaker B: Oh, give it a Google later. Our. Our young listeners know what chill guy is. We're a couple of chill guys in here. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, we are chill guys. I'll take that. I think. [00:37:06] Speaker B: Take it. No, it's a good compliment. Trust me. Okay. [00:37:09] Speaker A: You would tell me it wouldn't make me look bad. [00:37:11] Speaker B: I would. [00:37:11] Speaker A: In front of the little kids who listen. [00:37:13] Speaker B: No, I would not. I got your back. No. [00:37:16] Speaker C: One of the things that I think Marshall should rejoice in, though, is Kirk Cousins could get benched here pretty soon. [00:37:23] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Are you delighted you feel vindicated? [00:37:26] Speaker B: Just kidding. I hit the wrong button. We almost ended the pod. Guys, that's for you, Kirk. Yeah, he's getting benched. You know what I smell? [00:37:33] Speaker C: They said, oh, man, that brand new panic smell. Yeah. So they haven't necessarily confirmed it, but he played terribly. [00:37:45] Speaker B: Did you see, they asked the coach, is he gonna get benched? And they're like, you know, we got home late last night. We're not really sure. Yeah, that was what the coach said. We got home late last night. We're not really sure. [00:37:57] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:37:58] Speaker C: It's. [00:37:59] Speaker B: What have you gotten home from work late? Okay. And your wife says, okay. Hey, you know, what are you doing next week for work? Yeah, I'm not really sure. I got home. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Work. [00:38:12] Speaker B: I got home from work late tonight. Not really sure what. [00:38:16] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:17] Speaker B: I know they're a little different, but come on. Like you're not talking on the plane about. [00:38:21] Speaker C: I was like. That felt like a reasonable response. [00:38:23] Speaker B: Is our fraudulent quarterback who has thrown more interceptions almost than his jersey number. Are we going to bench him for and get a look against a terrible Giants team with our first round draft pick? You're not going anywhere. [00:38:37] Speaker A: Why not? Right. You only paid a fortune for him. [00:38:42] Speaker B: Here's. [00:38:43] Speaker C: I said this last week. I believe I said that if they lose against the Raiders, he's going to get benched. He. While they won. He basically lost. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Oh. Because he has like four throws a game where I just go, ah. [00:39:00] Speaker C: But also he's 90. They kept talking about, like how he just doesn't leave the pocket. [00:39:07] Speaker B: 96% of his of his snaps are or throws are in the pocket. We talked about last year. The Hawkinson and the tight end plays were huge for him over the last two years because he rolled out play action. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:20] Speaker B: That's how the Vikings got their moves. And now look at this guy. He's a shell of himself. You could tell he's injured. He shouldn't be playing. [00:39:27] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:28] Speaker B: I just turned into something. [00:39:29] Speaker C: I wonder if he's got. I wonder if he's got like a little yips going on. What about where he's afraid to run because he's afraid at his age something's gonna happen. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:42] Speaker C: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. [00:39:44] Speaker B: When I watch it, you just turn into Mike Greenberg. I don't know anything. Of course. I don't know anybody. [00:39:48] Speaker A: I don't talk to anybody that could jeopardize him getting his next bag. [00:39:52] Speaker C: But if you are standing in the pocket that your entire life, like, there's. [00:39:57] Speaker B: Only one person I know that could do that. It's Peyton Manning. [00:40:01] Speaker C: I mean. Yeah. [00:40:01] Speaker B: And even he had an amazing bootleg where nobody was looking, even the camera. And then he's in the corner of the end zone. Have you seen that boy from the goal line? The one. Oh, it's amazing. [00:40:10] Speaker C: Tom Brady was a pocket passer. He would stay in that pocket. You never really saw him run out. But he was a master at like moving through. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Stepped up through the pocket. Correct. [00:40:18] Speaker C: He knew how to navigate through the pocket while Kirk does not know how to navigate. And it's showing he's getting had. [00:40:26] Speaker B: I like that we're talking. Can I talk about one more team that's like off the radar before we, I just. [00:40:30] Speaker C: Let's do it. [00:40:31] Speaker B: This is our year. We got two actually. We need to talk about how the Giants had Tim Boyle in the game. He got in the game. Tim Boyle. It's fascinating. I'm going to read this tweet. [00:40:44] Speaker A: I like seeing Daniel Jones on the Vikings sideline now. And The Vikings have five rostered quarterbacks right now if you include McCarthy. [00:40:52] Speaker C: What are they even doing with them? [00:40:54] Speaker A: Nick Mullins and I hope Dobbs is on there still. But Daniel Jones is there. [00:41:00] Speaker B: I got to read this for the Giants. Okay. Every, every time that Tim Boyle is in a game we have talk about Tim Boyle. This tweet from Jeff dlo. It fascinates me that just Tim Boyle as a whole. They're collegiate legends who threw over 100 career yards passing or 100 career touchdowns and they never had a snap in the NFL. So many great ones. Tim Boyle played 24 college games. He threw one touchdown and 13 picks. He's been in the NFL for six years. [00:41:29] Speaker C: How did he even get drafted? [00:41:31] Speaker B: I do not understand one touch for Yukon. Yukon. [00:41:36] Speaker C: How did he even end up in the NFL? [00:41:38] Speaker B: I don't know. He must know somebody somewhere. So there's two sides of the pendulum. There's that and we potentially could have seen 10 catches for 200 yards and five touchdowns yesterday. Terry McLaurin had seven catches for 73 yards and two touchdowns. He also dropped a 52 yard touchdown, a potentially 62 yard touchdown off of the fingertips and an under thrown potential 54 yard Terry scary terror. He's got over. I think they said over 60% of all receiving touchdowns are to him on his team which is pretty epic like that. Like Terry McLaurin you got good thing you got paid before because you, I mean it's sadly that you got paid before because you'd be asking for a pay raise after showing what you could provide this quarter. [00:42:30] Speaker A: I've always felt, I've always wanted to like shout outs a little more to some of the. The Tara McLaurins and the Michael Pittmans and, and a lot of the other receivers. He hasn't been that good this season but there's a lot of other you know, like DJ Moore seasons passed before. [00:42:49] Speaker C: Garrett Wilson maybe make fall in this. [00:42:51] Speaker B: Character might request a trade. [00:42:54] Speaker A: These good receivers who have been stuck with bad quarterbacks for quite a while now we get to see like somebody who can throw, throwing a Terry McLaren and suddenly he's, he's on the center stage for the first time in his career. [00:43:05] Speaker C: It's amazing. [00:43:06] Speaker A: I Mean, his numbers were always great, and we never would talk about him. And, you know, half the fans in the country would say, terry who? [00:43:13] Speaker C: But now, even with Sam Howell, though, he wasn't bad. I mean, he would. [00:43:17] Speaker B: He would still put up numbers with Sam Howell. [00:43:19] Speaker C: Yeah, he would. I was like. He was still. [00:43:20] Speaker A: I mean, Sam. [00:43:21] Speaker C: He made Sam Howell look good, though. [00:43:23] Speaker A: An aggressive thrower. Sam Howell was ambitious. He would drop. He. He was leading the league in passing yards for quite a lot of the season, even though he was taking insane number of sacks and picks. [00:43:32] Speaker B: These wide receivers that expand, like, past their role of what I think they can do. Did we miss? And we didn't talk when we said Eagles, AJ Brown. This dude complained and then got two touchdowns. Like, he knows what he's doing. [00:43:47] Speaker C: Did you see? [00:43:48] Speaker B: He knows what he's doing. Jalen hurts. But hold on. Yes, I saw Jalen hurts go to the podium. And he said, what? [00:43:55] Speaker C: I like how. Yeah, he sat down, he was like, y'all happy now? That's what you guys wanted to see. [00:44:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And don't forget, he came up there with the Michael Jordan hoop earring, a backwards Kangal. Okay? Like, this dude was coming for the throat. Like, he was coming for the jugular with his, like, little outfit, going out there, you know, looking at. Oh, God, I just. I hate them. I hate them. I'm sick. I hate the Eagles. [00:44:22] Speaker C: He doesn't like Sirianni. He's never. [00:44:24] Speaker A: I don't like Sirianni. [00:44:25] Speaker B: Sirianni went to go yell at his own defensive player, and the coach got in his face. I'm gonna take care of it. [00:44:31] Speaker C: I got it. You go away. [00:44:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:44:33] Speaker B: What coach gets yelled at by their underlings on the sideline? [00:44:38] Speaker C: This is what's baffling, though. [00:44:40] Speaker A: Dysfunctional. [00:44:42] Speaker B: Imagine somebody yelling at. Dan Campbell will rip their head off and crap down their, like, chest. [00:44:47] Speaker A: They want it in the first place because they respect him. [00:44:50] Speaker C: This is true. [00:44:51] Speaker B: This is. [00:44:52] Speaker C: What's so weird about the Eagles, though, is, like, there's clearly some weird dysfunction there with the head coach, but yet somehow they are so good. Yeah, they are so good. And this is what everybody keeps, like, complaining about. Sirianna is like, man, this guy's just a. He's yelling at fans. He's doing. He's getting yelled at by his own coach. Just weird. This guy's weird. [00:45:18] Speaker B: Team is weird, too. And by the way, they have an MVP on their team. Like, we're. I think next we should transition, maybe talk a little mvp. Or is that going to be a lot in Your stats today, Kyle? [00:45:29] Speaker A: Oh, no, I just have notes about it because it's not my segment. [00:45:32] Speaker B: They do have an MVP on their team and it's Saquon. He should have third in any other team. He has 13 more touchdowns. Jalen Hurts says 13 rushing touchdowns all from the one. Those are all Saquon touchdowns. [00:45:45] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:45] Speaker B: Like he would have over 2,000 yards rushing by the end of the season, most likely. And pretty close to a rushing touchdown record. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:54] Speaker B: That's an MVP period. [00:45:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's a good case. [00:45:58] Speaker C: There's a lot of touchdowns that have been stolen from him. [00:46:01] Speaker B: So can we, can we talk a little MVP right now, guys? Is that our last big news you think we got on here? [00:46:07] Speaker A: Yeah, we should dive into it. [00:46:09] Speaker C: Go for it. [00:46:09] Speaker B: Josh Allen, I mean we talked a lot of Josh. Guys, I got something for you. When it comes to Lamar, okay? Lamar right now he has a historic passer rating of 120.7. [00:46:24] Speaker A: Yep. [00:46:25] Speaker B: It's not getting enough attention. He has the fourth best ever, ever of any quarterback ever in quarterback history of 120.7. The other three times were Aaron Rodgers in 2020 and Aaron Rodgers. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Yep. [00:46:41] Speaker B: And Peyton Manning. [00:46:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:46:44] Speaker B: And oh, I Forgot Lamar has 741 rushing yards, which they certainly did not. And all three of those guys won the MVP by the widest three margins. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty. I was just, I was wasting too much time looking at these stats. But I really, I can't say how this strongly enough. I don't want to take away from Josh Allen's performance. And I've said this before, I said this one. Jalen Hurts was the runner up. I don't want to take away from his performance. It's incredible. Like the guy deserves some kind of a trophy. But they only give out one. And Josh Allen has done amazing things. He looks like Superman out there. The. He's got one thing on Lamar. One thing. Two more wins. [00:47:28] Speaker B: Two more wins. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Two more wins than Lamar has. And not counting the head to head because Lamar had the edge in that one. The Ravens destroyed. [00:47:35] Speaker B: The Bills destroyed. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Two more wins than the Ravens is likely at this point enough to get you the mvp. But in every statistical category, this is one sided. Like Lamar Jackson's numbers this year are. They're insane. They're insane. [00:47:54] Speaker C: So can I just throw out a name of a quarterback that I think if the season played out differently, he would be the MVP right now? [00:48:06] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Joe Burrow. You're going to say Joe. [00:48:08] Speaker C: Joe Burrow. [00:48:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:09] Speaker C: He's leading. You're Talking about statistical numbers and all these things. Joe Burrow is the one who's actually leading a lot of these. [00:48:17] Speaker A: A lot of. [00:48:17] Speaker B: I think a lot of those are because he plays with one of the, the worst defenses I've ever seen. [00:48:25] Speaker C: Well, they always got a fire. [00:48:26] Speaker B: He's always behind because. And if they're not, then they're always throwing like Chase Brown has been a good addition for them as a running back, but he's been a good addition and not just running, receiving. He's gotten like three receiving touchdowns in the last five weeks. [00:48:41] Speaker A: And he's got Jamar Chase. I mean, come on. [00:48:43] Speaker B: Jamar Chase, who as of recent has been great for him. [00:48:47] Speaker C: I think I'm going to counter that. Then you guys are really hyping up Lamar and I get. And rightfully so. I want to be very clear. Rightfully so. [00:48:55] Speaker B: He's amazing. [00:48:56] Speaker C: But you want to give Joe Burrow, Jamar. Josh Allen's throw into who? Shakir? [00:49:06] Speaker A: Yeah. College care. Ken Coleman, Amari Cooper. Cooper, who came in halfway this weekend. [00:49:12] Speaker C: Kincaid. Like these are a bunch of like second tier level receivers that he's doing this with. [00:49:18] Speaker B: Lamar's throwing to Rashad Bateman, Nelson Aguilar. Yeah, yeah, it's the same Isaiah likely. [00:49:25] Speaker C: But he's got Derek Henry in the backfield with him. I'm just saying Lamar, like my only, my only commentary to give like just to kind of play a little bit of like buffer here is that Josh Allen is doing. He is the one man show over there. He is versus Lamar is not necessarily just a one man show over there. He's got Derrick Henry who's also ran rushed for a lot of yards and has also equally looked as impressive. Much to people's like surprise. A lot of people were thinking he was not going to look as good as he was, but he has looked great. [00:49:59] Speaker A: Right. [00:50:00] Speaker C: And so I think that's why the Josh Allen and what he has done specifically in the last two games I think has. I think you're right in the fact that there's a lot of recency bias here going on. [00:50:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:13] Speaker C: But it's the fact that he's done things that other quarterbacks just. [00:50:17] Speaker B: And it might come down to what. Who has the last good two weeks. [00:50:20] Speaker A: I think it is right. I think recess advisor will be the thing because I think if Josh Allen put up these numbers in September and October and Lamar was coming on strong right now, the conversation would be very different. [00:50:28] Speaker C: I agree. I think you're right. [00:50:30] Speaker A: But Allen has that argument for him and I think It's a strong one. I think it's a really good case that he could be the most valuable player in the league. I still think it would be weird. It would be weird if Alan won for one. This is not Allen's best season. This could be the third or fourth best season of his career. [00:50:51] Speaker C: It depends on how you want to view it. That because you might like by yardage and maybe touchdowns, maybe or maybe completion percentage, things like that. Maybe it's not his best, but it is his best year in interceptions, which is where the game changing number is coming from for him. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And he's. Yes, that is impressive. And his, his interception numbers have continued to go down and you know, so if you're really looking at it critically, you could say this is maybe his best year. In terms of total production, it's not. But in terms of like quality of performance, probably premium Allen, but it's kind of arguable, but you might inarguably, this is the best Lamar has ever played, period. By far. [00:51:32] Speaker B: And he has a chance with the three last games that each of them have. And if we're going to talk about MVP is a rhetoric kind of award, he's got a chance to prove the rhetoric. He ends with Pittsburgh, Houston and Cleveland while Josh Allen plays against New England, the Jets in New England, which means. [00:51:50] Speaker C: He'S probably going to blow them out of this. [00:51:52] Speaker A: He's going to destroy. [00:51:53] Speaker B: But that isn't rhetoric like what you're saying right now. He might, yeah, they could totally run the stats up and he could go have amazing three more weeks again. But that isn't the award right now. [00:52:04] Speaker A: It baffles me that I look back at prime Aaron Rodgers as like the, the epitome of like the, the no. [00:52:14] Speaker B: One else could throw those. How many times do we say that about Aaron Rodgers over the last five. [00:52:18] Speaker A: Years he was like the ultimate passer. Like this looked like the, the, the, the mountaintop. Like the, the, the greatest that I feel like I've watched in terms of someone who can throw that ball and finishes his MVP season with a historic 121 passer rating. And that had not been done. And in post 2000, because I looked at this today, no quarterback, no quarterback finished a season with a passer rating above 120. No quarterback did except for Aaron Rodgers in his 2020 MVP season. And now Lamar, 14 games in, has a 120 passer rating. And he's up there in terms of the quality of his performance as a quarterback, as a passer is on Par with like prime Aaron Rodgers. I mean, 34 touchdown passes to three interceptions on the season. That's nuts. That's. That's primary and Rogers stuff where everybody else in the league is like, how does he do this? Everyone throws interceptions except him. This is crazy. [00:53:27] Speaker B: And 741 yards rushing. Don't forget about that. That's half of what Derek Henry did this year. [00:53:33] Speaker A: Right? [00:53:34] Speaker B: That's half of the season that you. [00:53:35] Speaker A: Just said total passing yards. This is like a lot more than Josh Allen. Well, a couple. Like about a game's worth. [00:53:43] Speaker B: I'm intrigued to see how the MVP settles. [00:53:46] Speaker C: We're talking about these guys. There's actually one more quarterback that is also statistically ahead of Josh Allen. Jared Goff isn't in the conversation. I think everybody with a reasonable mind knows this, but statistically, like, numbers wise, this is Jared Goff's like, best season he's ever had. He's got tons of yards. He's second behind Lamar in terms of passer rating because we keep throwing that out. He. He sec. I think he's got. Where is it completion percentage? [00:54:18] Speaker A: It's up there. [00:54:19] Speaker C: It's up there. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:20] Speaker C: You would almost think, well, Tua has got it. But since Jared has played the longer season, you could probably give it to Jared, right? Because he's actually played the entire season. He's up there in a lot of these categories, too. And he gets overshadowed because the things that he isn't. He's doing aren't as flashy as what Lamar and Josh Allen. [00:54:41] Speaker B: And I think he gets overshadowed because there are. If you put a lot of these quarterbacks with the surrounding talent, they wouldn't be able to do that because right now there's four quarterbacks in the NFL. They have 34 or 3500 yards passing and 30 touchdowns. Joe Burrow. Lamar. Jared Goff in the fourth one. Baker. [00:55:01] Speaker C: Yeah, Baker. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Baker's. [00:55:03] Speaker B: By the way, what I love, though, Mike Evans. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Evans, yeah. [00:55:07] Speaker C: What a. What I love about this year's MVP race is it actually does feel controversial and who could win, right? Because in previous years, it kind of has just felt like it's going to go to this guy. It's going to go to this guy. It's going to. Like last year, it's like, well, it's going to go to Lamar because no one else really had a good season and his was the best. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Was a decent runner up, but it wasn't really. [00:55:30] Speaker C: McCaffrey was in there, but nobody, everybody was like, he didn't break the rushing record. So no one's going to think about McAffrey. This is like the first year, I feel like in a hot minute that we've had two quarterbacks and a running back, honestly, really make strong cases that they could be an mvp. And I like that because we. We always talk about how, like, oh, I hate the goat conversation. I hate that Tom Brady won a seventh because it just makes it so hard to have that conversation. [00:55:59] Speaker B: People don't like Tom Brady. [00:56:00] Speaker C: That's not what I said. I said that people don't like the conversation of, like, because it's like, so hard to. To ever talk about. Like, well, Patrick Mahomes might be the goat. It's like, well, now, like, Tom Brady beat him so, you know, in the Super Bowl. So, like, he's always gonna have. [00:56:17] Speaker B: You're right, you're right. [00:56:18] Speaker C: He's gonna have that. And so. But this is like, this is close. I. I could see either one of them. I kind of want Josh Allen because he hasn't had one yet. And I feel like he is the type of player who is playing at an MVP level. He's playing quality, amazing football. He's doing crap out there. Unreal. [00:56:37] Speaker B: Josh Allen for you, Kyle. [00:56:40] Speaker A: Well, if they lock up the one seed and the Ravens drop another loss or something, like, if they lose the Pittsburgh gun, Lamar has a bad game. [00:56:47] Speaker C: You know, like, Buffalo can't get the number one seed reasonably, they feel like. [00:56:52] Speaker A: They'Ve got a shot at it. [00:56:53] Speaker C: You know, they only have to win one more. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Either way, they're going to get the two seed at least. But if the Ravens drop another game or, heaven forbid, two games and there's a dud here, I think they got. [00:57:06] Speaker C: A tougher schedule coming. [00:57:07] Speaker A: I think it becomes easily handed to Allen. Yeah, I think if they both continue to perform similar to what they have, this is a really tough one. This is a very difficult one because the Bills have put up. I get it. [00:57:21] Speaker B: Who's your pick? [00:57:23] Speaker A: If it season ended today, I've got to give it to Lamar Jackson. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Okay. I like it. My answer is Saquon. I'm splitting it. [00:57:30] Speaker A: I. I've spent too much time on this and I don't want it to be a waste of my time. So I'm going to tell you a little bit anyway. I was just looking at the history of the past since 2000 leagues, quarterbacks who have finished a season. I'm talking the end of the season with, with more than 34 touchdown passes. And because I was looking at passer rating first and As I said, only a single quarterback finished a season, completed the season with greater than 120 passer rating, but who finished with more than 34 touchdown passes, which is what Lamar has right now. And. And Allen has what, 25. I think he has 25. He's 25. And 5. And touchdowns and picks. Lamar's at 34 and. And 3. So 33 of the time. That's eight of the 24 past seasons. No quarterback finished the season with more than 34 touchdowns in a. In a season. So one third of the season since 2000. No one even got 34 in the season. [00:58:40] Speaker C: 34 passing touchdowns. [00:58:42] Speaker A: Passing touchdowns in the season. [00:58:45] Speaker C: Is there. Wait, that doesn't make sense. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Say that one more time. I need to make sure. [00:58:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not know if I'm hearing you right, because you're. What it sounds like you're saying is there are quarterbacks that haven't won. Do you mean MVP? [00:58:56] Speaker A: Not talking about MVPs at all. I'm only talking about quarterbacks who pass for that many touchdowns in a season. And I'm saying one third of the time since 2000, zero quarterbacks finished the season with more than 34. And so 2000. [00:59:10] Speaker C: But I thought there was like, some 45 touchdown passes. [00:59:15] Speaker B: A third of them. [00:59:16] Speaker A: A third of the years. A third of the seasons. Eight seasons out of 24 seasons. There were no quarterbacks in those seasons. [00:59:24] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:59:25] Speaker C: I see what you're saying. All right, so I thought you were saying a third of, like, these quarterbacks didn't ever finish. I was like, that doesn't make sense. [00:59:32] Speaker A: Right. Sorry if I phrase it in a confusing way, but I'm trying to look at just, like, how often this happens. So a decent amount of time, no one even gets to 34. And granted, we're 14 games into the season. We've got three more to go. And. And I'm just kind of taking a look. And. And back in 2019, he was the only one who did. Lamar got 36 in that in his first MVP season. No one else got that many. So a significant percentage of the time like this is. This is above anybody else in the entire NFL we've had since 2000. Two quarterbacks. Three quarterbacks who exceeded 50 touchdowns in a year. [01:00:19] Speaker C: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. [01:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Last year, we only had one quarterback who passed for more than 34 touchdowns, and that was Dak. He threw for 36, led the NFL in passing touchdowns. [01:00:32] Speaker C: Cowboys forgot about deck. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And in 2022, we had three quarterbacks. Mahomes Allen and Burrow. I'm looking at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 15. Since 2000, 15 quarterbacks finished with more than 40 touchdowns in a season over the course of 24 years. So 40 is a really difficult number that most years is not hit. And 50 is like record setting. You know, we've got Mahomes, Brady and Manning, the only guys who have done it. The 50 plus 50s. A lot. 50 is a seriously a lot. You know, a couple guys came close, Rogers and Breeze and stuff. But that, that's. That's pretty difficult. And there's some funny names on this list. You know, Brady's appear a lot and Breeze, but Carson, tell me a couple. And Blake Bortles getting 36 portals. Yeah, in 2015 was good. Brady led the league with 36, but Blake Bortles, Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Carson Palmer all. All got 35 in that season, which is interesting. 20, 20, 15. [01:01:49] Speaker B: What a time to be alive. [01:01:50] Speaker C: Yeah, there's a lot of touchdowns out there right now for our quarterbacks though too. [01:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna see. [01:01:56] Speaker B: See if it stays. [01:01:57] Speaker A: I'm curious what. What we end up with with some of these. I think a few of them have the potential to cross the 40 mark with those last three games. Anyway. Anyway, I didn't have enough time to really make this very interesting, but mildly moderately. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Suffice it to say, you know, the 34 range is somewhere in there. That's like hard to. Hard to hit and often isn't. [01:02:21] Speaker B: I like it. Now, speaking of things that are moderately interesting, let's hear. Let's turn it up. Something that is interesting. You're kind of a freak in the sheets when it comes to the data. Would you agree? [01:02:33] Speaker A: I can be at my mom, you excel. Thank you for that. [01:02:38] Speaker C: We've definitely made these jokes before, but. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not. [01:02:40] Speaker C: Pretty sure. [01:02:41] Speaker A: It's mandatory. Okay. Okay. [01:02:43] Speaker B: Let's hear your weekly segment. Let's get down to the data. Let's hear some stats. [01:02:47] Speaker A: This time it's. It's not so data driven. Actually, I was it. I charted in a spreadsheet, but let's go to fantasy. [01:02:57] Speaker C: This is ridiculous. [01:02:59] Speaker A: You guys. Don't be mean to me, okay? I worked hard on the. I mean, I kind of ran out of time. I wasted too much time looking at quarterback touchdown history. [01:03:08] Speaker B: But anyway, started an hour late today because of me. [01:03:13] Speaker A: I know. I'm really sorry. Work was kicking my butt today. Okay. All right. [01:03:17] Speaker B: I'm glad you're here. [01:03:18] Speaker C: Let's hear the sheets. [01:03:19] Speaker A: All right. Did my sheets. [01:03:21] Speaker C: Sheesh. Are they shitting? Are they cotton? What kind of sheets? [01:03:26] Speaker A: I wanted to go back to something that I've been touching on this season. I've gone into a couple of different topics over the course of this season. [01:03:32] Speaker B: The money. [01:03:33] Speaker A: I talked about the money. The quarterback contracts and so on. I talked a little bit about NFL ownership and something else that I don't remember. What was I doing with the Listery thing? Oh yeah. I was making you guys guess like. Like the. What are these things ordered by? [01:03:44] Speaker C: Oh yeah, that's right. [01:03:45] Speaker A: I'm gonna bring. [01:03:45] Speaker B: That made me so mad. [01:03:47] Speaker A: I'm bringing that game back again one of these days. But for now I went back to the owners again and because it's. It's, you know, it's my favorite topic. It's savory fun and wholesome and happy. You know, when we talk about these. These billionaires who just treat their. The human beings on their employ like cattle and. And leech on society and take advantage of all of us and their. [01:04:08] Speaker C: Yeah, keep going. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. They're despicable excuses for human beings. But anyway, they control this sport that we love and make all the money off of it. Anyway, anyway, I was just reading a little bit about how they all got their money. You know much about how they got. [01:04:26] Speaker C: Their money, like individually. [01:04:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:29] Speaker C: A lot of them probably inherited it. [01:04:31] Speaker A: Well, yeah. And how did those people originally get their money? That's what I was digging into. I kind of. I found it for all the 31 owners learning just a little bit about where their money came from. [01:04:43] Speaker B: I know not the packers because he knows where he got his own money. Being a part time owner. [01:04:47] Speaker A: Hey. Yeah. Hard work. That's it. [01:04:51] Speaker B: I'm gonna say. [01:04:53] Speaker C: I know where Jerry got his money. [01:04:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:56] Speaker B: Oil. [01:04:56] Speaker C: Yeah, oil. [01:04:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:58] Speaker B: He did or potentially got it big. [01:05:01] Speaker C: On oil and then bought the team. [01:05:03] Speaker A: It was. He was originally an insurance and I think with his dad's business and. And was pretty successful. [01:05:09] Speaker B: Is it old money? [01:05:10] Speaker A: An oil company? His dad. I wouldn't really call it old. Old money. [01:05:15] Speaker B: Okay. [01:05:16] Speaker A: His dad got really successful in insurance. [01:05:18] Speaker B: I think what is. Let's go down this. Kyle. [01:05:21] Speaker A: We can go over all of them if you want to. I could ask you some questions. I don't really have. [01:05:25] Speaker C: Feel like prepped questions. Ford family is pretty much heavily going to be tied to the auto industry. [01:05:30] Speaker B: You sure? [01:05:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Sheila Fordham actually is heir to. She is from the Ford family, obviously, but also from the Firestone. [01:05:40] Speaker C: Right. Right. Because of Martha. So like tires. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Tires and tires and auto tires and. [01:05:46] Speaker C: That's a lot of money. [01:05:47] Speaker A: That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. So. Wow, what a princess. Yeah. [01:05:54] Speaker C: Hey, man, she's been, she's been. She helped the lines get back. [01:05:58] Speaker A: She's been hands on and she's done a good job. [01:06:00] Speaker B: We like her. Keep going. [01:06:03] Speaker A: Okay. The most common actually that I found in here. You care to venture a guess? [01:06:12] Speaker C: Stocks. Playing the stocks? [01:06:14] Speaker A: Nah. [01:06:16] Speaker C: Buying. [01:06:17] Speaker B: Teaching. [01:06:19] Speaker A: Yeah. Teaching. Right. Yeah. All of these. All these billionaires started as elementary school teachers. [01:06:27] Speaker C: So where would they have. I'm trying to think. They would have started or bought property sort of. [01:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah. You got real estate? Real estate is the number one. Real estate is the most common. A lot of these people built their fortunes through various different types of real estate ventures. And it's often a. A component to many of these business magnates portfolios. Anyway, I've got it all here. There are some interesting ones which I could poke into. You know, there are a couple that I was surprised to learn. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Any problematic ones? [01:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah, there are, there are. I think, I think that there are. [01:07:08] Speaker B: What's the most problematic? [01:07:11] Speaker A: Let's see, what's a good example? [01:07:12] Speaker C: Define problematic. [01:07:14] Speaker B: Something that I would go. [01:07:15] Speaker C: Huh? [01:07:17] Speaker B: Really? [01:07:17] Speaker A: That's not the. [01:07:19] Speaker B: I don't think I'd be proud of that. [01:07:21] Speaker C: Totally kosher. [01:07:21] Speaker B: I hope nobody looks that up and doesn't on a moderately interesting podcast. [01:07:25] Speaker C: Oh, no. [01:07:26] Speaker B: In that tone of voice. [01:07:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:28] Speaker B: What if I talk like this for the rest of the podcast? It's not technically there, but it's kind of close to it. It's kind of in range. [01:07:34] Speaker C: I'm not really sure. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:37] Speaker C: No. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Does that make sense? [01:07:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I gotcha. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Okay, we're back. [01:07:40] Speaker C: Okay, thank you. [01:07:41] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. So the Arizona Cardinals, the original owner, Bidwell, successful businessman, wealthy lawyer in Chicago with ties to organized crime boss Al Capone. [01:07:55] Speaker C: Oh, whoa. [01:07:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:07:59] Speaker C: I was about to say that's cool. [01:08:00] Speaker B: That was a car exploder. [01:08:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:02] Speaker C: Yeah, but it's not. It's totally. [01:08:03] Speaker A: He was the owner of a racing stable, president of Chicago stadium operating company, owner of a printing company. So that's back in 1932. Over the company, old stuff. Al Capone ties. So this guy was shout out to Al Capone, a businessman and a lawyer. [01:08:20] Speaker C: Or let's not shout out. [01:08:22] Speaker B: What about shout out to Mike Malone? [01:08:25] Speaker A: How about Carl Malone? [01:08:28] Speaker B: Not Carl Malone. We're anti Carl Malone on this podcast. [01:08:31] Speaker A: I protest the mailman. [01:08:34] Speaker B: Google him later today. Not great guy. [01:08:37] Speaker C: Okay, Post Malone. [01:08:39] Speaker A: Okay, we could do post. [01:08:40] Speaker B: We can get behind that. Okay, deal. [01:08:41] Speaker A: I'm into that. [01:08:42] Speaker B: What about balone E? [01:08:44] Speaker C: Okay. Hey, I was thinking about trying to figure out how baloney works in there, but baloney's gross. [01:08:50] Speaker A: What? [01:08:50] Speaker B: Really? [01:08:51] Speaker C: I do not like bologna. [01:08:52] Speaker B: I just had a bologna sandwich tonight. [01:08:54] Speaker C: Did it have mustard on it? [01:08:55] Speaker A: Terry Pagula got money from oil, from fracking and oh yeah, that's the frack in Pennsylvania. [01:09:03] Speaker C: I would find that unsavory. Yeah, some people would find that like. [01:09:07] Speaker B: Just like how the world works and you teach science. What's fracking? Well, tell me in three sentences. [01:09:13] Speaker C: Well, fracking just in general, you're like destroying like the ecosystem around it. So you're basically removing a whole bunch of like, top area and like drilling in. [01:09:27] Speaker B: That was 2 cents. Did you have anything else to add to it? [01:09:29] Speaker A: No. [01:09:30] Speaker C: I mean, I'd have to look. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Nope, that was your sentence. Thank you. Anything else problematic up there? [01:09:36] Speaker A: The original New York Giants owner was a bookmaker, actually. [01:09:39] Speaker B: Wow. I'm a Giants. Are one of my new teams next year. I'm a Giants guy. [01:09:45] Speaker C: What kind of books? [01:09:46] Speaker B: The bookies. The bookies. [01:09:49] Speaker A: You know, Christopher Walken has a New York Giants podcast called Walking with Giants. [01:09:54] Speaker B: I. Oh, I'm subscribed. [01:09:56] Speaker A: I know. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Guys, subscribe to them right now. Rate and review them. Send them a five star review. Who is the owner that, like, you should be most proud of how they got their ownership, like besides you and the Green Bay packers, you know Tom. [01:10:11] Speaker C: Brady, right, And his ownership of the Bears and. No, not the Bears, that's Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Yeah. [01:10:16] Speaker A: Thank you. Yeah, I like, I like some of these. You know, I even, I don't like, I don't really like any of these people. I don't have much respect for them. But Steve Bisciotti, the Ravens owner, is a pretty good self made fortune example. He, you know, took over The Ravens in 2000. He started with a friend or cousin, a staffing company in the aerospace and technology sector. They ran the company out of a basement office, secondhand equipment, yada, yada, grew it on their own to the largest privately held staffing firm in the world. So in terms of like, you know, somebody who's a self made entrepreneur, you know, I'll, I'll take that. They didn't just inherit oil money like a bunch of these other people did. [01:11:00] Speaker B: I give it to them. [01:11:01] Speaker A: True. You know, some of those are good examples. There's a few that interested me that how they got their money is a little bit hard to pinpoint because a Lot of it was if people like the, I want to say Paul Brown, the original owner of the Bengals and let's see the Raiders, Al Davis and the Steelers, the Rooney family, some of these are examples. I think there's, there's another that I'm forgetting where the original owner or founder was really just like into sports, was a, maybe a professional athlete into a coach, into sports management leveraging, you know, those roles to get ownership stakes into teams. And then as the sport grows and the values of those teams increase, your ownership stake grows value and they sell equity to get capital to buy new teams etc like basically going within the sport world to increase their net worth up to the point where they're getting a ownership stake early when they weren't as, when the sport wasn't as popular, that then makes them in to a billionaire. So some of these weren't billionaires before becoming majority owners of one of these sports franchises. So there's a few of them, you could say that at least the original person was just like I like football into the sport. Yeah, they were an athlete, you know, like the Hallis guy, George Hallis, you know, into the coaching for the Bears team. Folk co founded that team. Wasn't like a rich guy. [01:12:45] Speaker B: Currently now their family trickling down. The guy in charge of the football team does not watch football. [01:12:51] Speaker C: Yeah, probably heard too much of it growing up. [01:12:55] Speaker B: Is there anything else that we're missing on there that you really want to highlight on here, Kyle? [01:13:00] Speaker A: You guys probably know I'm going to run through these kind of, kind of rapid alphabetically we've got Alpha, alpha alphabetically we've got the Cardinals, Bidwell, I just told you a little bit about successful businessman and lawyer ties to Al Capone. Arthur Blank, Atlanta Falcons co founded Home Depot Vampires. Steve Bisciotti, Baltimore Ravens. Owned a staffing company which I told you a little bit about. Terry Pula of the Buffalo Bills. Oil through fracking. David Tepper, that crazy guy who owns the Carolina Panthers. Successful hedge fund manager. [01:13:39] Speaker C: Sounds interesting. [01:13:40] Speaker A: Chicago Bears, George Hallis, I told you a little bit about that. He was into football and so was Paul Brown, Bengals founder, Founder. Let's see, the Haslams. They took over a petroleum company, Pilot Flying J from his father who founded it. [01:13:58] Speaker B: Also potentially drugs. My gym. [01:14:00] Speaker A: Yeah, allegedly. Let's see, Jerry Jones Insurance and then oil. You guys know the Broncos owned by Rob Walton, the Walton family, that's Walmart, right? We know what the Lions, we know the packers, we know that. Let's see Cal McNair, Houston, Texas, Houston Houston Texans executive is was in energy basically heating and ventilation. Was kind of Jim Ursay Jim Ursa no. And his. His father some other Ursay. Mr. Ursay what a schmuck. That guy sucked. He started a huge family feud tearing apart the family business and kind of like trying to put his own father out of business by stealing it. Like his own mother called him like the devil on earth. [01:14:48] Speaker C: Jim Ursay did this. [01:14:50] Speaker A: Jim Mercedes dad. Jim Merced inherited from his dad. And Jim Mercy is a nut job too. But the earth sucked and he got it from like a heating and ventilation company. Shied Kahn Jacksonville Jaguars auto manufacturing and bumpers. He started a bumpers company. [01:15:06] Speaker C: Wow. Bumpers. [01:15:07] Speaker A: The Hunts who own the Chiefs they inherited oil wealth. I told you. Al Davis Sports then Chargers, Rams, Dolphins, Vikings, Patriots all basically real estate primarily New Orleans Saints Benson somebody was originally an auto dealer. Mercedes Benz I told you New York Giants original guy back in the day was a bookmaker. New York jets the Johnsons, the. The Johnson & Johnson Co. Inherited that. [01:15:42] Speaker C: Oh wow. Yeah. [01:15:43] Speaker A: That fortune. [01:15:44] Speaker C: That's probably a big one now too. [01:15:45] Speaker A: Huge one. Huge one. Jeff Laurie owner of the Eagles had like a primarily like a Hollywood productions company. Kind of interesting in that a different industry entertainment. I told you a little bit the Steelers Rooney family that was like he was a football player and a boxer. Jed York Niners was in construction actually the York whoever was his dad or something like that. And then Paul Allen the Seahawks owner. Now it's his daughter Jody Allen but Microsoft co founder. Then we've got Joel Glaser Buccaneers who's in real estate, banking and healthcare. Amy Adams Strunk of the Titans inherited oil. And the Washington Commanders are headed up by Josh Harris who was just an investor Venture capital. Anything stand out to you guys about the money behind the people who own these franchises to control this sport? [01:16:44] Speaker B: I just find it fascinating that they hit at the right time. Most of these owners of getting in the league. A lot of them did and it'll be interesting to see what the owners like. There are not a lot of the. It's becoming less and less to have the ability to own a team as a single entity. And yeah like even the guys who bought Walmart they're not an entire. It's not owned by one person. [01:17:11] Speaker A: Right. [01:17:11] Speaker B: Like it is owned by a buyership group. [01:17:14] Speaker A: Right? Correct. [01:17:15] Speaker C: Well now they have. Didn't something happen with the bills just recently that they had people were buying like small minority stakes into the bills. [01:17:27] Speaker B: I'm not sure about that. [01:17:28] Speaker A: I don't know. [01:17:29] Speaker C: I Think they, they, the NFL allowed for these little like groups to start buying stakes out of these teams. [01:17:37] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Interesting. [01:17:38] Speaker C: I have to look it up something to kind of maybe come back to because they definitely did the. Some people bought some things to have some ownership. [01:17:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:48] Speaker C: In the Bills that was very recent. [01:17:51] Speaker A: I believe that the NFL cracked out on that at some point. Right. If I remember right. But. And it's something that's very common in other industries, other types of businesses besides sports franchises. But to your point, Marshall, I was interested to discover just how many could arguably the, it could be made that they made their money from the sports franchise, whereas a big chunk of them made their money and then got to the sports franchise. There's a good chunk of these owners who, their real money came from the team. Like they weren't rich. They, they were not. [01:18:26] Speaker C: Owning it right now is probably extremely lucrative. [01:18:31] Speaker A: Generations ago that was not the case. [01:18:32] Speaker C: Right. [01:18:33] Speaker A: When, when the, the league was younger it was not quite as popular. There were ways to finagle yourself into some kind of an ownership stake and then your net worth grows and you can take over a team somehow and leverage that and become rich through ownership. [01:18:49] Speaker B: And they're more looking at like a lot of teams are having more limited partners. Like right now the thing that you're talking about, the Buffalo Bills added 10 limited partners to an ownership group. [01:18:59] Speaker C: That's what it was. [01:18:59] Speaker B: That included Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady. [01:19:02] Speaker A: Wow. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Of names that I actually recognize. I like, I like hearing about ownership but I, I think I'm looking forward to hearing kind of where the data turns in our off season pod because I think that's when really like I could lean back and hear you do that Listery thing. But with owner, but with some real data instead of just the randomness of those lists. I'm really looking forward to that. [01:19:30] Speaker A: Some of that, some of that. I take these segments to try to propel us to the next one. Like set the stage. Let's understand who these owners are. Let's understand where they got their money, how long they've had the team. And that really propels us into deeper conversations about what's going on under their management, to what kind of people they are and how they affect the game and how they affect the sport and all that stuff. But I think we've set the, we've set the, the baseline here. Now we understand who all these 31 rich people are. [01:19:55] Speaker B: And if something piqued your interest, let's hear it because maybe that's going to be something that's going to bring up our next dive into the sheets. Let's hear our fantasy update, guys. We're in the playoffs for you guys right now. [01:20:06] Speaker A: Yep. [01:20:06] Speaker C: I'm in the toilet bowl. [01:20:07] Speaker B: So awkward. [01:20:09] Speaker C: I didn't make it to the playoffs. [01:20:10] Speaker B: Kyle. [01:20:10] Speaker C: Kyle did. [01:20:11] Speaker B: Let's hear about your week. [01:20:12] Speaker A: I just got my first ever fantasy playoff win. [01:20:15] Speaker C: You did? [01:20:16] Speaker A: He did. This is a. I don't know, maybe my third year doing it and I've never. I think this is might be my first time in the playoffs. Definitely the first time I've won a playoff game. But I upset Rick and I'm moving on to round two. [01:20:29] Speaker C: You're in the final four. [01:20:29] Speaker A: In the final. [01:20:30] Speaker C: I got there last year and then I got kicked right out. [01:20:32] Speaker A: But it was probably five. It was probably five or six weeks into the season. I was in. Dad last. [01:20:37] Speaker C: He's got Katie. [01:20:38] Speaker B: Katie. You're going down. [01:20:38] Speaker C: Marcos. Marco. Marco made it too. [01:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah. We could have a Balta Donna bowl. [01:20:44] Speaker A: We very much could. Probably will. We probably will. He's got Chase like they're. [01:20:50] Speaker C: They have been the two best teams pretty much all year. [01:20:52] Speaker B: I'm excited. I would thoroughly approve of the balta donos coming in late to the league and winning. [01:20:58] Speaker A: I've been on a hot streak though, so I kind of like my chances. I was in last place well into the season and I have been. [01:21:06] Speaker C: I lost for. I mean I'm out of the playoffs for a very good reason. I mean I had. I had Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy both with terrible years. [01:21:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:14] Speaker C: And so bad that I put Jameis Winston in. So, you know, that's where my season has gone. [01:21:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Love it. [01:21:22] Speaker C: That's just kind of the nature when you have 14 people in a league. You just get some teams that just get scraps. [01:21:29] Speaker A: Yep. [01:21:29] Speaker B: How about our locks and upsets of the week? Do we. Oh, we have a must watch game of the week. The game that we guarantee everybody. If you're not watching one game on prime time. The game that we should be watching this week is who? [01:21:42] Speaker C: Denver and Chargers, believe it or not. I just felt like that was. There's like some decent games this week. There's always, you know, we're as we're getting closer to playoffs. [01:21:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:53] Speaker C: Stakes are getting pretty high for sure for some of these teams. [01:21:56] Speaker A: It's consequential. [01:21:57] Speaker C: Right. Because you got Texans and Chiefs, but that they're both already clinched in divisions. Mahomes might be sent out. It's also. [01:22:05] Speaker B: You're going to sell me on not having a mahomes game. [01:22:07] Speaker C: Right. [01:22:07] Speaker B: We've had a lot of them. [01:22:08] Speaker C: We've already had Steelers and Ravens, which is going to be a good rematch. Very important rematch for the division. That is also another game. [01:22:16] Speaker B: You could MVP race. [01:22:17] Speaker A: Isn't that on Saturday? [01:22:18] Speaker C: I think it is on Saturday. Both the Texans and Chiefs game and then that game is also on on Saturday. And then you Sunday. There's not a lot of great games on Sunday. You'd almost say maybe at one point. Minnesota Seahawks. I'm a little worried that game's not going to be that interesting anymore. [01:22:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:40] Speaker C: With what happened with Geno. [01:22:41] Speaker A: Yep. [01:22:42] Speaker C: Because they. Even if he is out there, I don't. I don't think the Seahawks got that. So Denver, la, two playoff teams at the end there. I mean they're still technically fighting over there for the playoffs for the AFC side. [01:22:57] Speaker A: Right. [01:22:57] Speaker C: It's a little bit more of a up in the air for the NFC at least the NFC's. They got two divisions not locked up yet. Actually they got three divisions not locked up yet. [01:23:07] Speaker A: Yeah. But what do you say we do our picks, locks and upsets. [01:23:10] Speaker C: Let's get to it. [01:23:11] Speaker A: I'm locking in the Lions over the Bears. Guarantee those lines will not drop two in a row. [01:23:17] Speaker C: They have historically always bounced back. [01:23:19] Speaker A: They will again this week, I believe. I guarantee. [01:23:22] Speaker C: Yet they need a big one. I'm locking in Green Bay over the Saints. Saints are terrible and Green Bay is on a high a heater. [01:23:32] Speaker A: They are. [01:23:32] Speaker B: They are on a high. My guarantee of the week. Lock of the week. I'm going back to the team that we should be rooting for, guys. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Colts. Wow. [01:23:41] Speaker B: You're locking them in over the Tennessee Titans. Will Levis is a national treasure. He's benched Will Levis though. He's on the team. He's a national treasure. He throws picks. He gets in the face and he's like. I saw a tweet that was like honey will love us. He's doing the meme again. I just thoroughly enjoy it. Can I go to my upset of the week, guys? My upset of the week is. Just kidding. My upset of the week is the Bears over the Lions. Sorry, Justin, I'm not picking Minnesota. Be my upset. I got the Bears over the Lions because I'm trying to gain as many humanly. As many points as humanly possible compared to Kyle because Kyle is currently winning our pick them and this could give us a flip. [01:24:31] Speaker A: It's the point in the season where you start to get a little bit, you know, you're. You're chucking them for the ends. A lot of Hail Marys getting tossed up right now. [01:24:39] Speaker C: I'm gonna pretend not to be offended by that pick. Mine is Washington Commanders over Philly. I am picking this predominantly because I want this to happen more than anything. [01:24:51] Speaker A: I love that move. My upset is the Broncos upsetting the Chargers this week. [01:24:56] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Why didn't I think of that game? [01:24:59] Speaker B: I have one last call. Something we didn't talk about today. I've been holding it because I want to give. If the commission is this far into the pod. Salute. Okay. [01:25:10] Speaker C: Oh, I know what this is. [01:25:11] Speaker B: How have you not talked about a player quitting on your team? Oh, boy. [01:25:16] Speaker C: I was waiting for that. Actually. I thought he was going to mention that before. [01:25:19] Speaker B: I'm not going to talk about it. And honestly, I don't want to hear us because I'm ashamed that you didn't say anything. Commission. And you need to say something for our next pod, Please. It needs to come from you. You are the commission. He's your team. Come on, now. [01:25:33] Speaker A: All right. [01:25:34] Speaker C: We still love you, though. [01:25:36] Speaker B: I love you. Obviously, I gotta be hard on you for a reason. [01:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:39] Speaker B: As a coach, I say if I stop yelling, it's because I don't care. [01:25:42] Speaker A: Right. [01:25:42] Speaker B: Good, Mish. I care. [01:25:43] Speaker A: We do care. [01:25:44] Speaker B: Anything else? [01:25:45] Speaker A: No. [01:25:49] Speaker B: I want to thank you for listening to the point after. Instead of a joke today, I'm going to tell you a fun story. This past weekend, A.J. brown and Jalen Hurts had a little bit of hurt feelings. Donovan McDab, recent quarterback of the Eagles, said, it's two grown men. If you got an issue, come and come to me. Let's not go through the media to which to quote, tweeted that and said, now that's interesting coming from you. Not how I interpreted it, but funny it is. I agree with you on the idea on if you have an issue with someone, you go to them and not the media. But here's the thing. I never had an issue with you, but it's known that you had an issue with me. Tio was on fire this week because Tio also, quote, tweeted Brett Favre's thread about the awkward encounter he had and said, how about you start clearing the air by talking about how you misappropriate funds that are out of your pocket and not just when you fall down for a sack. Have a good rest of your day, guys. [01:26:57] Speaker A: Gosh.