Wk 15: One Coffee compared to a Yacht

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to the Point after show with Kyle Maurer, Marshall heslaw, and Ian DeWitt. This is the show where the guys attempt to pick the winners of the weekly NFL games along with some healthy debate about current topics. [00:00:12] Speaker B: Let's go. [00:00:13] Speaker C: Let's go. [00:00:16] Speaker B: Guys. [00:00:18] Speaker C: This is the cry after. [00:00:22] Speaker B: The tears after. [00:00:25] Speaker C: All of our teams. Look what they did to my boy. [00:00:30] Speaker D: It's over. I got. This is the last episode of the show. [00:00:33] Speaker C: The season's done. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Really? [00:00:36] Speaker D: We're done. [00:00:37] Speaker C: We don't want to watch anymore. [00:00:38] Speaker D: Let's talk about something else. The I'm. I'm thinking about checking out this F1 thing. [00:00:42] Speaker C: That's right. [00:00:43] Speaker D: It doesn't break your heart. [00:00:44] Speaker C: The season's already done, but. [00:00:46] Speaker D: Oh, bad timing. [00:00:47] Speaker C: They. Well, they start in February. Oh, really? [00:00:49] Speaker B: All right, let's get to our question of the day. [00:00:51] Speaker D: We. [00:00:51] Speaker B: Not the. [00:00:52] Speaker C: Wait. Let's go back to that F1 thing. I was serious. Just kidding. You can keep going. [00:00:56] Speaker B: The F1 after the fiast. So Kyle bestowed upon us that his take all we know about it, by the way. We have our weekly segments that kind of rifle through and cycle through the three of us. And sometimes we know what it is and most of the time we don't, which I think is a really fun thing for the listeners to know that we progressively do not know what's going on, but just rip those Oreos open. Bad boy. Let's go. There we go. [00:01:26] Speaker C: I was trying to be cautious. [00:01:29] Speaker D: Brought to you by Apple Pie Alamo. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Hashtag free ad. [00:01:34] Speaker C: I saw those sitting there and I was like, that actually does kind of sound. Well. [00:01:37] Speaker B: Kyle gave us a little tidbit that his segment this week is money related. Okay. So I threw a few questions on here for our listeners, and I. I am very curious to hear specifically what Ian's answer to our first question is. If we did not trade in dollar bills, what would we trade in as a society? Buttons takes or. Or a sports show? [00:02:06] Speaker D: Okay, how about rocks? [00:02:08] Speaker B: What would you say? [00:02:09] Speaker C: Do you want a serious answer or, like, just like a fun answer? [00:02:12] Speaker B: Hit me with fun first and then be serious with me. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Fun answer. Trading Pokemon cards, man. [00:02:18] Speaker D: Okay. I'm digging it. [00:02:20] Speaker B: Shinies only. [00:02:21] Speaker C: Oh, man, Those are. Those are reverse Hollows. I tried to get into the Pokemon card game for a little bit there because I was like, this actually seems like a fun little thing to do. [00:02:30] Speaker D: We all did. Everyone our age did. [00:02:32] Speaker B: That's a scalper life right now. [00:02:33] Speaker C: It's expensive and really hard to crack into. So I didn't. [00:02:38] Speaker B: So that's your funny Answer. Hit me with your serious one. [00:02:40] Speaker D: I got more into Beanie Babies than Pokemon. [00:02:42] Speaker C: Honestly. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Really? [00:02:43] Speaker C: See, back in the day, I was Yu Gi oh cards. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Ooh, Yu Gi oh cards. [00:02:49] Speaker C: It's time to. [00:02:52] Speaker B: Okay your serious answer. [00:02:55] Speaker C: Oh, the serious answer would be like, historically, what people have traded for in society, which is goods and services. [00:03:01] Speaker D: Okay. [00:03:01] Speaker C: Like foods, clothing. I. I will provide a service for you. You give me. What would. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Barter service. Straight up bartering. [00:03:08] Speaker C: What would my service be like? [00:03:11] Speaker B: I will teach you about photosynthesis. [00:03:13] Speaker C: Like a tutor. Yeah. [00:03:15] Speaker D: Okay. Right. [00:03:16] Speaker B: H. What. What would you tutor me on? [00:03:19] Speaker C: I. I don't. I don't know. [00:03:21] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:03:22] Speaker B: I. I don't know. What could you offer me? [00:03:24] Speaker C: Right. What did you teach kids about service isn't for everything? Like, so if you had children, I. I would watch your dog. Hell yeah, man. I would do that. [00:03:32] Speaker B: There you go. [00:03:33] Speaker D: That's not bad. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Thank you. What about you, Kyle? What do you. What would you. [00:03:37] Speaker D: I like the service. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've. I thought like, in the past, I've had to, you know, a hustle a little bit now and then make extra bucks. You know, it's actually. So I've been. I've been working for money for, I don't know, 25 years plus, and there have been very few of those years where I was working only one job. And so I've tried a lot of things to bring in some extra money to better myself and whatnot. [00:04:10] Speaker C: Word. [00:04:11] Speaker D: Most of. Most of my career, I've had two jobs. That's just. I feel like that's just kind of table stakes these days. Things are different. But aside, I've always had like a handful of little skills that I'd be willing to flex on the side for an extra buck. Like. Like music lessons, for example. I've picked. I've thrown on, like, done some guitar lessons for money in the past. Here and there. That's not a. Not a bad way to make a buck. There's always some parent out there that wants to get their kids lessons, and each of us can be a book ahead of a student and teach them the scales for sure pretty easily. And you can make 30 bucks an hour minimum to just teach somebody whatever the heck. Piano or cajon. [00:04:53] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:04:56] Speaker D: Yeah. So music lessons would be great. I would enjoy that sort of thing. I mean, it's kind of hard. [00:05:01] Speaker B: I think we should train rocks. That's why I put it on there. [00:05:03] Speaker C: Rocks. [00:05:03] Speaker B: Rocks are really cool. Like, I've. I've kind of like old Petoskey stones. I'VE never found one before. [00:05:10] Speaker C: What? [00:05:10] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, always. [00:05:11] Speaker D: Our kids did this summer. [00:05:12] Speaker B: I've always debated on getting a rock tumbler. [00:05:15] Speaker C: Oh, I used to have one when I was a kid. [00:05:18] Speaker B: Like, I've always seen people, like, do it. And I'm like, that's pretty sick. [00:05:21] Speaker C: They come out pretty well. [00:05:23] Speaker D: Man, with the six kids I've got, I'm sick of rocks. There's rocks freaking everywhere. [00:05:27] Speaker B: Yeah, but you have every rocks. [00:05:28] Speaker D: They have all these backpacks. Every time I pick up a backpack. Why is this so why is this full of rocks? [00:05:33] Speaker C: It's just like a kid. [00:05:34] Speaker D: Why is there rocks under the couch? Why is there rocks on the table? Why is there rocks in my nightstand drawer? Why is there rocks. Rocks everywhere? [00:05:40] Speaker C: Our kids during the summer will do this too, where they'll be like, oh, my gosh, look at this rock. Check out this pine cone. [00:05:46] Speaker D: Right? [00:05:46] Speaker C: And they. We. [00:05:47] Speaker D: This is so cool. [00:05:48] Speaker C: They have to bring it. [00:05:50] Speaker B: Answer to this, too. [00:05:51] Speaker D: Yes. [00:05:51] Speaker B: Your kids would be loaded. [00:05:52] Speaker D: And we're doing the camper thing all summer. We're hauling that across the state. And we have to be very mindful of weight. And so every time we leave the vehicle and the kids are like, I found this big stone and it's so cool. I must have it. No, I'm sorry. [00:06:06] Speaker B: What do you think? I mean, think of some of our listeners. What do you think some of them would trade? What would they be able to. [00:06:12] Speaker D: Misery. [00:06:14] Speaker B: So Justin is trading misery. That's what he would be the richest of. [00:06:18] Speaker D: Yeah. Sorry not to call you. That's who I was thinking of. I was thinking of Justin. [00:06:22] Speaker C: He's. He's probably feeling all right. [00:06:24] Speaker D: What about G? [00:06:25] Speaker B: What do you think G would be trading in? [00:06:27] Speaker D: Oh, man, I don't know. Oh, wow. [00:06:30] Speaker C: You know G better than I do. [00:06:32] Speaker D: Told you so. Maybe. Told you so. Wow. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. [00:06:37] Speaker D: Respect. [00:06:37] Speaker B: G. I think Tim DeWitt. Oh, gosh. I think he would be able. If he could, like, if you could find a way to get a bottle and get a nice 24 ounce of lions are done. I. I get it. Like 18 weeks a year. [00:06:57] Speaker D: Wow. [00:06:58] Speaker B: You know? Yeah. [00:07:00] Speaker C: You know what? I think the football. [00:07:01] Speaker B: He'd be rich. [00:07:02] Speaker C: You know what the football world would be trading knees. [00:07:07] Speaker D: Acls. [00:07:08] Speaker C: Acls. [00:07:09] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:07:10] Speaker C: Bad week. [00:07:11] Speaker B: Tragic. [00:07:12] Speaker C: Not just bad in terms of, like, people got injured. It was high profile people. Patrick Mahomes, Michael Parsons. [00:07:22] Speaker D: Heard of him. [00:07:23] Speaker C: The Micah Parson one, I think hurts more than the Mahomes one. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Well, I think that's because Mahomes is done. [00:07:30] Speaker C: The Chiefs were done. They weren't gonna. They were out. [00:07:32] Speaker D: But. [00:07:33] Speaker C: But that hurts them for next year, though. [00:07:35] Speaker D: Oh, it's devastating. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Can I tell you? I think what if they just tank and get Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State after that and then Mahomes has his own at Randy Moss on his team. Oh, yeah. [00:07:50] Speaker D: Wow. [00:07:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:51] Speaker D: Like another touted Ohio State receiver coming. [00:07:53] Speaker C: They don't have to do much to tank. They're kind of already in the middle of the road. [00:07:56] Speaker B: You're telling me their quarterback currently could not hold it down. [00:08:00] Speaker D: Gardner Minchio. [00:08:01] Speaker C: Gardner Minchio. [00:08:02] Speaker D: Yeah. He put that game away. [00:08:05] Speaker C: He did. He threw one good pass to make sure that that game was done. [00:08:11] Speaker B: So what do you think hurt more for Chiefs fans? Because we don't have Jamie ASL's take as our. As our resident Chiefs fan. What hurts more? I think Mahomes injury. Chiefs being eliminated after, what is it, 11 or 12 years in a row. [00:08:27] Speaker C: Making winning division 2014, I think was. [00:08:31] Speaker B: The last time Kelsey retiring or maybe Andy Reid retiring. [00:08:39] Speaker C: It does feel like hurts more. Mahomes is going to be back. He's going to be a staple. He's not going to be back probably right away. They're going to try to get him back to start the season, but I the way it's so late in the season, I'd be shocked if he starts week one. [00:08:57] Speaker B: I think it's worth saying that they talked about how they didn't want him running all year and they knew that this was a sustainable and that what's. [00:09:06] Speaker C: Funny is pretty people want to start. There's a lot of copium that's going on with this where chief fans are like, hey, hey, hey. [00:09:13] Speaker B: Define copium to me for the listeners. I know they're just trying to cope. [00:09:17] Speaker C: Oh, so they're just trying to come up with like an excuse to cope with something that is very tragic. [00:09:21] Speaker B: Like their quarterback rationalizing. [00:09:23] Speaker C: And so everyone's like, oh, well, you know, the Patriots dynasty, season nine of Tom Brady, well, he tore his ACL and they missed the playoffs. And what happens in season nine of Patrick Mahomes? Well, they tore his ACL and they're going to miss the playoffs. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Just like the Carolina Panthers making the Super Bowl. It's all those, you know, correlations. [00:09:48] Speaker C: But this is also the big difference here that people are missing is Tom Brady tore his week one after like four plays and they didn't make the playoffs because he wasn't there. You didn't make the playoffs because your team was trash. Pretty much half of the year. [00:10:06] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:10:07] Speaker C: There's a big difference. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Shout out to Matt Castle. [00:10:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Back in the day. [00:10:13] Speaker B: Back in the day. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Right. Shout out to the chief. [00:10:16] Speaker B: So that hurts. [00:10:17] Speaker C: It does. And that sucks. To watch your star player, you know, the, Your franchise, you know, the face of your team go down. [00:10:25] Speaker B: The greatest quarterbacks of all time. Currently, that's still New Jersey. [00:10:28] Speaker C: And I think that. [00:10:29] Speaker D: I know this feels like a seat, a reset for expectations for the. [00:10:32] Speaker C: Feel like, if anything, I think what hurts is the. The realization that your team is not what it was and it's probably going to have to do a little bit of a mini rebuild, you know? [00:10:44] Speaker D: Right. [00:10:45] Speaker C: And this is one thing that I think was interesting, that I think deserves to be treasured in a way. It's hard to treasure a dynasty like the Patriots with Belichick and Brady when they're dominating. Everyone's just tired of seeing them. But I just don't know if we're ever going to see that again. And I feel like we thought we were with the Chiefs, and now I'm thinking maybe we're not going to. Because I don't remember the Patriots ever having an off year with Brady at the helm where they didn't make the playoffs. You know, I. [00:11:24] Speaker B: To me, that just think that a lot of people are saying this year is just weird because I can't explain how three quarterbacks, and it's a quarterback league. I know that's three teams, but the Chiefs, the Ravens, and the Bengals, they're all done. Like, see you. That's like saying the Dolphins are still in it currently. [00:11:51] Speaker C: Like, just, what a year. By the way, the Chiefs are finally out of the playoffs and it's like, well, the Bills are kind of lagging behind right now, and Lamar's probably Lamar's best shot to get there. And he's playing not great this year. [00:12:09] Speaker B: He's not playing not great. He's playing piss poor. [00:12:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:12] Speaker B: Like, he has not played well. And I don't have an explanation for it. I don't know if John Harbaugh needs to worry about his job. Maybe that's something that needs to be said right now. [00:12:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:12:24] Speaker B: But Tim DeWitt writes in who did we learn more about the Bills or the Pats? And I would. I want your honest take. Give me one team. Don't talk about two. Give me one and I'll talk about the opposite. [00:12:39] Speaker C: I. I'd say we learned more about the Pats than the Bills, and not in a bad way. He's making it out to seem like the Pats are done and that they're, you know, they're fake and phonies. And I'm like, just because you lost to a top tier team does not mean you're fake or you're phony or you're not a contender. This team hung in there and played well. And I mean, yeah, you drop a what, 21 point? [00:13:02] Speaker B: Correct. [00:13:03] Speaker C: I mean, that is not great. But you're still in the lead for the division. It's not like your team wasn't in a position to win that game. I. Josh Allen's an MVP level quarterback. He's going to do what he did to you. Like he's. You. You're going to have a hard time against him. We know this. This is a known fact. Right. And I feel like this year, what they split with them, didn't they? [00:13:27] Speaker D: Yeah. Correct. [00:13:28] Speaker C: And I think that right there is telling that the Patriots are no longer just a pushover anymore. They are clearly a good team. They've beaten good teams this year. I, I think the Patriots are a good team right now. [00:13:42] Speaker B: I think one of the gaps that we have attributed to a lot of teams that we thought we had it wrong is we give them. Okay, your coach is coach of the year. Like Mike Vrabel. Oh, he's great. He's gotta be coach of the year. Mike Vrabel was cheesing on the sideline, you know, bumping shoulders and smiling and laughing throughout up 21. You gotta know, I mean, haven't you been there before? Yeah. That to me was disappointing. But I'll say for the Bills, it showed me that they can still put up the points. [00:14:12] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Like, and quickly. [00:14:15] Speaker C: And the thing about the Bills is they're like this every year to me, where they lose games and you're just like, what? Why did you lose that game? And then they win games and you're like, wow, man. They. They're. They're still the Bills. They're the weirdest team. [00:14:29] Speaker D: Yeah. I heard that they were. They are the NFL's best offense in the second half. [00:14:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:36] Speaker B: It's crazy. [00:14:37] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker B: And maybe that's because they're down. [00:14:38] Speaker D: They've had some consistency here and I'm not sure what to attribute. I think one could, like, maybe critique their game planning and there's maybe some inadequacies in what they execute early in the game because that is when you're following most closely your script. [00:14:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:56] Speaker D: And then it's a little matter of adjusting and however much they do. But you, you take your plan, you see that you're down. Remember the game early in the season where the Ravens were running away with that, and then the Bills made that comeback and took that game? That was a close one. But we've seen it time and time again where the Bills kind of start slow and then just know exactly what to do in the second half. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Yeah, the. The thing that bugs me is Ian's talked about a defense wins championships, and you don't look at a team that gives up the run as much as they do. They've let up 160 plus yards to a rusher six times this year. [00:15:41] Speaker D: It's bad, folks. It's really bad. [00:15:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it's crazy to think they're two and four in those six games. Like, Josh Allen pulled them out of two of them. [00:15:48] Speaker C: I think that's like, the key about the. Any team like the Bills, because I. I actually think the Lions are very similar. I actually. If I were to compare two teams to each other, I think the Bills and the Lions are like a relatively fair comparison right now, where their offenses at any given moment can just explode on you, just burn you. And then. Secondly, though. But their defenses are wildly inconsistent. [00:16:18] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:16:18] Speaker C: And as a result, your wins and your losses are sometimes like, what happened there. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Like, can we talk about the opposite side of that pendulum? Because Tim DeWitt also writes in Denver is, in fact, the real deal. Denver has the smallest victory on average margin for any team in NFL history that has this amount of wins at this time in the season. [00:16:45] Speaker C: Their defense is good, though. I don't. I don't even think. [00:16:47] Speaker B: Would you be surprised if at any point they are beaten the second round after their bottom. [00:16:53] Speaker C: Oh, no. Like, there's. There are. They're a team where I'm like, are. [00:16:56] Speaker B: There any teams that you're like, yeah, they. I'm for sure on them winning and getting past the first or second round. The first game they play in the playoffs. Yeah. Can you look at the NFL right now and give me one team that you're like, yep, I'm for sure on them. [00:17:10] Speaker C: The only team that I actively still feel very comfortable is the Rams. They're the only team where I look at and I'm like, you're pretty consistent throughout. They have been very consistent. Stafford's probably knock on wood for him. Probably gonna get his first MVP and get that gold jacket as a result. And they're the only team that I'm like, yeah, you're pretty consistent. Every other team, they're just. I don't know, man. Like, a lot of the top teams, I Feel like, have really good defenses. [00:17:44] Speaker B: It wins championships. [00:17:46] Speaker C: It does, but it's hard to ignore. Like, I'm looking at the Texans. They're a great example of a team. Like, I could see them losing in the first round of the playoffs and also winning the super bowl right now because that defense is so good. [00:18:00] Speaker B: But you wouldn't feel that way about the Jags. [00:18:02] Speaker C: Yeah, probably not though. But the Jags offense, whoo, they are good lately. [00:18:10] Speaker D: Lately. [00:18:11] Speaker B: I think there's something about, I think there's something about moving Brian Thomas to second wide receiver after their trade deadline. Assets that they acquired. Like, I just, I look at a team like that, they got a ton of weapons. But Trevor Lawrence is a question mark for me. I, I don't. [00:18:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:31] Speaker B: You know, if he wins, he'll be the first long haired quarterback to ever win a Super Bowl. [00:18:35] Speaker C: Tom Brady got close. [00:18:36] Speaker D: That's pretty funny. I like that. [00:18:38] Speaker B: That's why you like. [00:18:39] Speaker D: That's a great one. [00:18:40] Speaker C: You got to be looking at. [00:18:42] Speaker D: I would love it. [00:18:43] Speaker C: You got to be looking at like, sorry, this dog. [00:18:49] Speaker B: This podcast is getting interrupted by Golden. Sorry, guys. [00:18:52] Speaker C: I had a candy bar. I'm pretty sure that's what he's going to do. [00:18:57] Speaker D: Oh, nice. He's getting golden. Yeah, he's supposed to be. It is fun that three, three of the four teams that have never appeared in a Super bowl remain alive in the playoff picture at this time. [00:19:10] Speaker B: That is fun. [00:19:11] Speaker D: And the Jags and Texans in particular, I mean, it does feel like the doors open wider than usual. [00:19:17] Speaker C: They're the, the AFC particularly is anybody's game right now. [00:19:21] Speaker D: And those two teams are on the upswing at the right time. They seem like they are healthy. They have at least one side of the ball figured out pretty well. [00:19:29] Speaker B: Who's the third? [00:19:30] Speaker D: They make a. The Lions are still alive in the playoff. [00:19:33] Speaker C: The Lions, if they Lions, they're just not in control. They have to win out. [00:19:38] Speaker B: Let's drink your tears. We haven't gotten to that. You cried a little bit but didn't really talk about it, man. [00:19:43] Speaker D: I mean, I look at the scores. Halftime yesterday. [00:19:46] Speaker C: To be very clear here, to be clear, to be fair, I did pick the Rams particularly. [00:19:54] Speaker B: Don't give us because. [00:19:56] Speaker C: No, I actually want to give like an honest to God take. This isn't about like, oh, I'm just a depressed Lions fan. It's actually not what this is. This is like a very, I feel like because I watched the lion so much, I generally can peg them a little better than most teams because I, I, I Know what their issues are and their issues all year have been a very inconsistent O line and a secondary that is non existent. And lately in the past several games their pass rush hasn't been that great. They have had some good games of course, but their defense has not been great. And when looking at that matchup, the way that the Rams play, they torch secondaries. And that's all that happened in that game. It was. It was exactly what I thought was going to happen. The only difference was is the Lions offense played better than I thought they were going to. And to that I got to give the. The Lions credit in that fact that I think they played better than I thought they were. I didn't think they would be in that game for as long as they were. I thought it was going to be a bigger blowout. [00:21:02] Speaker B: It turned into that D line of the Rams. [00:21:04] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Like they're scary. [00:21:06] Speaker C: And I do think there is some improvement that is going on for that. That Lions like O line. And I do think since Dan Campbell took over play calling they're. They're more consistent on offense. [00:21:19] Speaker D: I think their explosive play rate has been up considerably. [00:21:22] Speaker C: JMO's been so much more visible. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Is that long term. But the issue going to happen, having him call the plays. [00:21:30] Speaker C: I know and I don't think he wants to long term. And he's. He's pretty much even said that that's not his intention. I think he's finishing out the year this way and then they're probably gonna make. I wouldn't be shocked if they make a switch at the OC next year. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Wow. [00:21:44] Speaker C: I. I think it's gonna happen. [00:21:45] Speaker D: I think you're right. [00:21:46] Speaker B: One year in, one year out. [00:21:47] Speaker C: I don't know if Morton would go anywhere but I mean if you're gonna get demoted, I mean you're gonna probably want to go somewhere else at that point. [00:21:54] Speaker D: So. [00:21:55] Speaker B: So you don't get on you. You start on varsity and get promoted to jv. [00:21:58] Speaker D: Maybe because he's play calm. That's why he made that. That challenge error in the game where he challenged something that's not review. Not challengeable. [00:22:06] Speaker C: Yeah. And that was. [00:22:07] Speaker D: He's just distracted guys. [00:22:09] Speaker C: At the end of it though, there's. [00:22:10] Speaker B: A man bite kneecaps. [00:22:12] Speaker C: The problem was not call plays. And everybody wants to hyper fixate. Well a lot of Lions fans hyper fixated on that touchdown. That wasn't a touchdown but it was a touchdown that was. [00:22:24] Speaker B: We don't know what a catch is. [00:22:26] Speaker C: I'll be honest. I. If you're gonna Rule that a catch. He was down at the very least. And if you're gonna rule that a touchdown. He lost the ball on the ground. There's a very visible shot of him losing the ball. And even Dean Blandino is like, I don't know, man. I think they got this one wrong. His awful. That's bad news for refs. [00:22:50] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:22:51] Speaker C: When you're an like, NFL analyst for reffing is up there being like, that was a bad call. That aside the Lions, obviously, I think the Rams still deserved the win. They played like it. Yeah. I don't know. They. They're in a hole because they have to win out. And they need the Bears to lose or the packers to lose twice, so. And that might happen for the packers now. I don't know. Their defense, Very true. Is in trouble. I think without Parsons out there. [00:23:24] Speaker D: Big trouble. Big trouble. And Christian Watson was making a real impact out there not to be losing him. They had shower. Elton Jenkins lost their best tight end. [00:23:33] Speaker C: And honestly, I like the Bears in that matchup now. [00:23:36] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:23:37] Speaker C: I really do. [00:23:39] Speaker B: Don't let the fact that for 5573 days we have not known what a catch is. [00:23:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:23:46] Speaker B: And I'm going back to when Calvin Johnson got screwed against the Bears. We do not know. Give me another sport where that. Do they not know what a goal is? [00:23:57] Speaker C: Yeah, it's. Why when I watched, like, when I was watching baseball, like, playoff baseball, it was so clean in terms of. [00:24:04] Speaker B: There's no controversy. [00:24:05] Speaker C: There's like, no. Like, there was separate balls and strikes. [00:24:08] Speaker B: That's getting fixed this year, though. [00:24:10] Speaker C: That was a little spicy, but. And then when I watch, like, F1 racing, there's some controversies there. Believe it. Really? They're. Oh, definitely do a little history. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [00:24:23] Speaker C: 2021, the F1 championship. The last race of the season had a major one. [00:24:27] Speaker B: All right. I got homework. Thank you. [00:24:29] Speaker C: It was. It's a pretty. It was a pretty big deal. So you can definitely have controversies there, but it. They're not as frequent as I feel like in football. I mean, you're talking every play. Sometimes you have for sure a call. [00:24:46] Speaker D: I mean, the whistle's blowing all the time. [00:24:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:52] Speaker D: Yeah, all the time. [00:24:53] Speaker B: But the game is just evolved and I don't. And a lot of sports have done that, NBA included. But, like, there's one part that is not controversial when it comes to the NFL in my eyes sometimes it's just how scared I am for some of these players. Like Tim DeWitt writes in about Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers did what Was asked of him, all things considered, not bad. Like cool. [00:25:17] Speaker C: He actually. Okay. I mean I can't. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Thank you. But like I also. Did you first of all, did you watch the first throw he had? He threw a back shoulder. Fade to Jonathan Taylor running out of the backfield about 20 yards downfield. A quarterback that has a contract and throw 20 yards downfield? Dude, this dude and I know he's had a different kind of throwing motion his whole career. He put his whole body to get it. 19 yards. He could not get at that 20th. [00:25:47] Speaker C: He'S starting again against the Ners. [00:25:49] Speaker B: I'm telling you, like this is the. [00:25:52] Speaker D: This is the length that people in America will go to get health insurance for their kids. Because for those who don't know, he has 10 kids in his household and NFL players are given health care for five years after retirement. And it is no coincidence that this has been five years since Philip Rivers was last playing football. So he came back to get another five years of insurance for his kids. [00:26:18] Speaker B: Let's love that. [00:26:19] Speaker C: While we're talking about his be convinced that that's true. By the way, before we skip on. [00:26:24] Speaker D: Rivers, this is America folks saying that he. [00:26:27] Speaker B: People even say that he did that because he didn't want to go back against the hall of Fame class he was going to have to go against. I'm like really? Come on, do better. [00:26:38] Speaker D: The funny thing that I was thinking about is, or, or listening to is the fact that he has introduced an awkward situation because if you recall last time he retired from the Colts signed a one day contract to the Charger so he could retire a Charger. Hello. [00:27:00] Speaker B: If he goes in the hall. [00:27:01] Speaker C: So now you have to go back to the Charger now. [00:27:03] Speaker D: Do you think he can. Yes. Do you think he goes back after this season to the Chargers and say can I do that again? [00:27:10] Speaker C: No, I don't think so. [00:27:11] Speaker B: I think he does it every time. [00:27:12] Speaker D: That's an awkward situation. The Chargers would rightfully say stop doing this is ridiculous. And imagine what if they face each other in the playoffs or something like that. Like he could soil that career long relationship. [00:27:25] Speaker B: But shout out to Philipper. I mean he came in there all looking chunky. [00:27:28] Speaker C: He didn't look. [00:27:28] Speaker B: And he was ecstatic after he got hit on his first drive. He got hit, it smoked. And I'm thinking the dude is dead. He hopped up and just started like come on now we all, we all win this game. [00:27:43] Speaker D: Come on. [00:27:43] Speaker B: I'm not worried about them. Like he is ready here. [00:27:46] Speaker C: Honestly. My dad also added to this. Take it wasn't on here. But like he said like when he walked off the field for the last time he they were winning that game. Like he did enough to win that the game. The big conversation with river starting is it's such an indictment on the current development of young QBs that you are willing to bring in a 45 year old guy who hasn't been playing football for almost five full years. [00:28:18] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:19] Speaker C: Rather than the guy that's your bet. Like what third or fourth practice squad guy. [00:28:25] Speaker D: Right. [00:28:26] Speaker C: You'd rather not play him. Like you don't believe he gives you the best chance. You'd rather seriously make no mistake. [00:28:33] Speaker D: It's not like there aren't other quarterbacks available on the market. We're past the trade deadline for sure but there are abundant talented young quarterbacks who are not like rostered at this time. It is possible to acquire someone younger. [00:28:47] Speaker C: I get the Colts trying to be like we feel like we have the stuff this year. [00:28:53] Speaker B: You know they went all in. [00:28:56] Speaker C: Yeah and I think I to some degree I can understand their logic of like we think Rivers gives us the best shot and they're probably trying to do pull like Peyton Manning with the Broncos right into the sunset. Like you don't really need to do much. We just need you to be able to do a couple passes, hand the ball off to Jonathan Taylor. Let everybody else do the work. Try not to die. [00:29:23] Speaker D: Now. [00:29:23] Speaker B: Speaking of the Colts, their upcoming team that they play is the Niners. And let's hear from the Commish. [00:29:34] Speaker A: This is Adam Silver, AKA the Commish. And this is the commission report. That's right, I'm back in town. Go Niners. And the offense functioned at a high level. That's for sure. Purdy's best outing since coming back from injury. Purcell is a stud if his knee and ankle issues are manageable. His presence almost makes you forget about Ayuk. I've said it before, showing BA the door might end up being a blessing in disguise. As far as I'm concerned. Good riddance. No Cap, CNC continues to carry the load and I'd really like to see Robinson get a few more carries over these last games before the postseason. This team is going to need a fresh CMC if they want to make a real playoff run defensively as well as they've played lately. They took a step back today, too many blown assignments and some poor tackling. Maybe it's thrust coming off the bye week, but it has to improve if they want to win the next three games. And honestly, I think they'll need to do exactly that just to move up one spot in the seatings. The difference between a five and six seed is huge. I'd rather play the winner of the NFC south, either Carolina or Tampa that have to travel to Philly. That's just my opinion. Sure, the number one seed is still technically in play, but that requires a Seattle win over LA on Thursday night and the Niners to run the table. That's a lot to ask. Still, this team has already exceeded my expectations and most people's too, so I won't count them out. That said, I'd feel a whole lot better if the D line could generate a pass rush because right now it's borderline non existent. We'll see. But it feels like the offense is going to need a plan on scoring at least 30 a game. That's a future problem though. Living in a Now with a 104 record, given the injuries of this team has had to overcome, that's a monumental accomplishment. On to indie next week. Hashtag home stretch. Go Niners. This was the history part. [00:31:19] Speaker D: Niners. Oh, wow. [00:31:21] Speaker B: I love that. Good. Hashtag. [00:31:22] Speaker D: Welcome back, Aish. [00:31:23] Speaker B: We missed you. [00:31:24] Speaker C: We did. The Niners, we haven't really talked a lot about them. [00:31:27] Speaker D: It's been great. [00:31:30] Speaker C: I mean, obviously Adam. [00:31:33] Speaker D: I'm so disrespectful. [00:31:34] Speaker C: They obviously Adam will give us his take every now and then, but we don't really, you know, go beyond that. But the Niners are still in the conversation. [00:31:42] Speaker D: In the last three seasons of this show, they've been probably in the top three most talked about teams on the point after. Let's be real. I mean, I haven't missed talking Niners every week. I'm sorry. [00:31:57] Speaker B: Well, I don't think you are. [00:31:59] Speaker D: They're still in the mix when we. [00:32:01] Speaker C: Hit the playoffs, we'll see how that goes. [00:32:02] Speaker D: If it would be very amusing if this were the year that they found even more postseason success than in the past. Because this is. This is not the best Niners team we've seen. No, for not. Not at all. This looks like a major step down year. So you're competitive. [00:32:19] Speaker B: You're a class A hater. You think I'm a hater? [00:32:21] Speaker D: Wow. [00:32:23] Speaker B: You're a hater. [00:32:24] Speaker D: I. I don't know how to take that. [00:32:26] Speaker C: The. [00:32:26] Speaker D: All right, fine. I'm a hater. [00:32:28] Speaker B: Thank you. Welcome to the club. [00:32:31] Speaker D: I don't want to be in this club. [00:32:33] Speaker B: You're in it. [00:32:34] Speaker D: All right, what's next? [00:32:35] Speaker B: Our next question. It isn't a question, it's just Just a Matson saying, look at my king. I didn't hear anything down 14. Nothing but 14. 14, buddy. Look at my king. [00:32:51] Speaker D: I love this, Justin. It delights me to know. End that. Justin's so in. [00:32:56] Speaker C: We were. We were just talking before the show, but just how JJ McCarthy is such a weird. He's such a weird player right now. [00:33:04] Speaker B: I can't put my finger on him. [00:33:06] Speaker C: He's. On some weeks, he looks like he's got the. The highest goods, the highest of ceilings. And then on other weeks, it's like, you are going to be out of this league. What were people thinking when they drafted you? Like, what is going on? Like, it's so hard. And I. It almost looked like that was going to be repeated when his first pass was a pick, you know? [00:33:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:33:31] Speaker C: Which it was more of a tip all. I don't know if that was completely. [00:33:33] Speaker D: I want to see him in 2027. I think he's going to find his stride. [00:33:37] Speaker B: So not next year. [00:33:38] Speaker D: I think he'll be a top 10 next year. Quarterback in 2027. [00:33:42] Speaker C: Two years from now. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Shout out to 2027. [00:33:44] Speaker C: Yeah, let's revisit this conversation. 2027. [00:33:47] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, put it. Put that in the text. Wow. [00:33:49] Speaker C: What a year. I like the fact that 2027 is a year that exists. [00:33:55] Speaker B: That makes me feel even older. Yes. [00:33:57] Speaker D: The world will still be spinning around, we think. [00:34:00] Speaker C: Yeah, we don't know. [00:34:01] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:34:02] Speaker D: All right, so we got. Talk to jj. What else we got? [00:34:06] Speaker B: That's it on our mailbag. [00:34:07] Speaker D: That's it on our mailbag. [00:34:08] Speaker C: Yeah, that's it. [00:34:10] Speaker D: Okay, what's next on the agenda? [00:34:12] Speaker B: Can we just give a little fantasy update before we talk about your. [00:34:15] Speaker C: I didn't even. [00:34:16] Speaker D: Because it's so fun. [00:34:18] Speaker B: How'd your game go this weekend? [00:34:19] Speaker C: I didn't have to play. [00:34:20] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. [00:34:21] Speaker D: First round by. [00:34:22] Speaker C: First round by. But I would have won because I scored 180 point. It was like 170 points. I looked even at a loss. St. Brown got 40 points. [00:34:33] Speaker D: Dang. Yeah. [00:34:36] Speaker C: I was kind of bummed that I didn't actually get to play anybody because I was like, man, how many points did I get? 79. [00:34:43] Speaker B: Yeah, you should have rested. [00:34:44] Speaker C: Well, the problem is now devonte Adams is I probably lost him. We didn't even talk about his injury. [00:34:50] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Hopefully you have fun against me. [00:34:56] Speaker D: Oh, you two are messed up next week. So that means I'm gonna probably play Rick because we both Marshall and I. [00:35:02] Speaker C: No, no, no. I don't play Marshall next week. [00:35:04] Speaker B: For psychology. I'M talking about in two weeks, after I kill, I play Rick down. [00:35:09] Speaker D: You play me, I play you. Oh, okay. Yeah. [00:35:12] Speaker C: Okay. So one of us will be in the finals. That's great. [00:35:16] Speaker D: That's exciting. We're going to be representing. [00:35:19] Speaker C: I hope you fail. [00:35:21] Speaker D: Wow. [00:35:22] Speaker C: Well, who's on your team? Who's on your team? [00:35:24] Speaker B: Gibbs. [00:35:25] Speaker D: I got Gibbs. [00:35:27] Speaker C: I will say I will gladly take an L if the Lions win. [00:35:31] Speaker D: Oh, actually, I think I'm starting Stafford as well. [00:35:35] Speaker C: Anyway, they play Seattle, though. [00:35:37] Speaker D: We're doing really good. I hope that this isn't a deterrent in the future to listeners of this show to join our league because, you know. Oh, I listened to this football podcast, the Point after, with these three guys who know a lot about football. They're really football gods out there, and they're so good at fantasy. I mean, we tried to join their league, and I have never. These three just crushed everyone. It was no competition. So please just join us again next year if we decide to do this thing. Don't feel deterred. We just are really smart, that's all. I'm not. [00:36:09] Speaker C: I feel like I got lucky. I'm gonna be honest. [00:36:12] Speaker B: I think you did, too. [00:36:13] Speaker C: I really don't think I deserve to be the number one seed. Some of those wins. I was winning with, like, barely a hundred points, and I'm like, man, this is getting rough for me. [00:36:24] Speaker D: I steamrolled Justin this week, I think, and, And I didn't. [00:36:29] Speaker C: I thought you were against Reedsma. [00:36:30] Speaker D: Oh, maybe it was Simon. Okay. Yeah. I beat Justin last week, I think. [00:36:34] Speaker B: Steamrolled, huh? That's what your tent saying. Listen to that, Justin. [00:36:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:36:39] Speaker B: Next year. [00:36:40] Speaker D: That was my memory. I could be wrong. Yeah. [00:36:41] Speaker C: No. Justin got beat by my dad. [00:36:43] Speaker D: I lost in the first round. [00:36:45] Speaker C: Justin's on his way. Justin's on his way to claiming last place is currently what's. [00:36:49] Speaker D: Wow. [00:36:50] Speaker B: Sorry, Justin. [00:36:51] Speaker D: Oh, dang. [00:36:52] Speaker B: Let's hear. Let's hear your weekly segment this time. Let's hear about some money. [00:36:56] Speaker D: All right, guys, let's talk money. I know this is one of those kind of like, it's, it's just one of those, one of those fun topics that everybody just likes to talk about. And, and this isn't anything like super original. It's just like one of those enjoyable, no kidding kind of topics that I love. I love listening to this stuff. I, I, I'm not going to lie. Just get into it. Talking about the money. I'm kind of a business guy. I like the money talk. But all of us, like, with the Big dreams. We like the lotto talk and the, and the windfall talk and like what ifs and the glamorizing the rich people life for sure. So that's just a fabulous life of the. The comparisons that I'm making, the conversation that I'm about to have with you. This isn't a game or anything like that. Maybe I'll ask you some, maybe I'll pose some of these as questions just because I like to pose questions to you for the point of, you know, delivering home a punchline and also making you guys look not as smart. [00:37:54] Speaker C: Ouch. [00:37:55] Speaker B: Thanks. [00:37:55] Speaker D: I. The conversation is about average Americans and then NFL players and then NFL owners and just looking at the tiers that those human beings exist in and the differences between them. So you're ready to ride with me as I share some relative facts. [00:38:18] Speaker B: So some might say this is a tier of tears. [00:38:22] Speaker D: Yeah, this is the tears episode. [00:38:23] Speaker C: Okay. [00:38:25] Speaker D: All right, all right. I gathered some information and let's set the baseline with just some, some facts. All right, so the average median household income in America right now we're looking at 83,730 bucks. All right, that's household income on average. And if we look more at like the real American worker, the spectrum ranges from like entry, if we look at like different tiers of workers, all right, this is just the, the, the entry level starting workers, you know, you're looking at like the 30, 000 a year salaries. You get up to like 48, 50 salary. That's like a median American worker. Some progression in one's career. An experienced professional. Think like a veteran teacher, nurse, accountant, et cetera. Those kind of more senior level jobs. We're looking at the 65, 75 range. Senior professionals like engineers and senior managers, we're in the low six figures, 120 to 150. And then the really great jobs, directors and specialized executives, etc, we're in like still low figures. 250, 350. So these are setting the ranges for like American workers. For NFL players. We've got practice squad players are earning around 225 a year to be on a practice squad. The minimum rookie contract is 870, 000 a year in the NFL. Wow. That's, that's the league minimum. 870. And the average career length for an NFL player, 3.3 years. [00:40:13] Speaker B: Say three years. [00:40:14] Speaker D: Yep. [00:40:14] Speaker B: That would have made me feel smart to get there. Right? [00:40:16] Speaker D: The average salary. Now this is, this is heavily skewed by the lows on the highs. But the average salary for an NFL player is 3.2 million per year. So for an NFL player now, but keep in mind, this is the most most popular sport. It has grown quite a lot. There's a lot of money flowing through. 3.2 million per year is the average annual salary. Now there's a. The majority of players are not making 3.2 million a year. There's a lot of players making less and there's a lot of players making a lot more. But when you average it all out, that's the number that we get. So if you multiply the career length and the average annual earnings, we're looking at about a ten and a half million dollar career earnings. [00:41:01] Speaker C: Sure. [00:41:02] Speaker D: So over the course of your career, on average, those players that we know, many of them should expect to be taken home that in total before their NFL playing days are done. [00:41:15] Speaker C: Okay. [00:41:15] Speaker D: Ten and a half mil. That's nothing to sneeze at. [00:41:19] Speaker C: A lot of money. [00:41:20] Speaker D: It really is. It really is. Obviously we've got the top earners we can look at, you know, 60 mil a year. That's Dak, who's currently got the biggest contract in the NFL. [00:41:30] Speaker B: What a life. [00:41:31] Speaker C: That's a lot of money. [00:41:32] Speaker D: Yeah, that is. That's 69 times the, the earners of the, the earnings of the top. I mean, the, of the bottom NFL player. Now the owners. Owners a little. That's. They're your favorite people. Yeah, they're in a different league of their own, gentlemen. But also a wider, A wider range. A wider range than we actually appreciate by some counts. There's about an 81x difference between the bottom owner and the top owner. This is really significant difference in net worth between the poorest NFL owner and the richest. The richest. The richest. Right. Now, are you, you aware of who is on top? [00:42:29] Speaker B: The guy that owns the Denver Broncos. [00:42:31] Speaker D: Correct, Correct. Yes. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Owns a Walmart. Right, Right. [00:42:34] Speaker C: Gosh, Walton's got to be like a billionaire. [00:42:37] Speaker D: Well, they're all billionaires. [00:42:39] Speaker C: I mean. Yeah, he's got to be like, technically. [00:42:42] Speaker D: Technically a large billionaire. I, I couldn't speak to his size. I've never. I don't know. [00:42:51] Speaker C: But that's not, that's not what I meant. [00:42:55] Speaker D: Sorry, sorry. [00:42:57] Speaker B: I should have laughed that up. [00:43:01] Speaker D: I'm sure he eats well anyway. But Mike Brown, the owner of the. Mike Brown is the owner of the, The Bengals. He's the owner of the Bengals. [00:43:12] Speaker C: Okay. [00:43:12] Speaker D: I thought you would maybe say. I get you to say Browns. [00:43:16] Speaker C: I was like, I don't think it's the, the Browns. Like, I don't know who it is. [00:43:20] Speaker D: Mike Brown owns another Ohio team. He owns the Bengals. And he is the only NFL owner who is. Whose net worth is under a billion. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Wow. [00:43:31] Speaker D: So this guy is. [00:43:32] Speaker C: This is why they can't afford an O line. [00:43:35] Speaker D: Yeah, he's pretty poor. $925 million net worth estimated earlier this year. [00:43:41] Speaker C: Your welfare, sir. [00:43:42] Speaker D: I know the poor guy. Unbelievable. [00:43:45] Speaker C: Survive in this world. [00:43:46] Speaker D: There's got to be some sort of, like, assist financial aid, I would think. There's got to be. They've got to be subsidizing him somehow. [00:43:55] Speaker C: He's gotta. He's gotta have snaps. [00:43:58] Speaker D: Dude, you're not. I bet when he walks into the NFL owner's room, they all are, like, laughing like this. Wow. Did you see what he drove in here? [00:44:06] Speaker C: Oh, my gosh. [00:44:07] Speaker D: I bet he drove his own car. [00:44:10] Speaker C: He's rewearing a suit. Unbelievable. [00:44:13] Speaker D: Yeah. 925 miles. And he's a poor schmuck compared to everybody else who are all worth more than a billion or many billions in some cases. Anyway, back to some of the interesting comparisons. So I want to. I want to just, like, bounce through some of these comparisons. A few takeaways that I had. 1. I wanted to put a spotlight on something. We, the fans, watch the players. And yes, often the dynamic between us, this, like, parasocial relationship we have with these players that we watch on television who don't know us, sort of like we have. We. We revere them, we lift them up and. And, and they are the ones that are in the spotlight that we see. It seems like they're on another planet than us. In reality, they're so, so much closer to us than they are to the NFL owners. [00:45:13] Speaker B: God, you're gonna make me so mad about copping this. [00:45:17] Speaker D: It's. It's very. It's very funny. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. [00:45:20] Speaker D: Like, they're. They're just. They're like common citizens alongside us. When. Significantly. [00:45:30] Speaker C: When we are the same. [00:45:32] Speaker D: Yeah, we are kind of the same. So we look at them and like, they're. [00:45:35] Speaker C: They're not special. Like, I can't run faster than Jameer. [00:45:40] Speaker D: Right, let's. [00:45:42] Speaker C: No, no. [00:45:44] Speaker D: So the gap from an average American. [00:45:46] Speaker B: You could take a hit from him. [00:45:47] Speaker D: To an NFL player, from Jameer for sure. The average American to NFL player is about a 38x annual income difference. So an average NFL player is making about 38 times what an average American is on an annual basis. [00:46:07] Speaker C: That's a lot. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Now we get to guess. Can we guess what is in between? Are you going to Give us player to owner. [00:46:13] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Can you. Can we guess on that? [00:46:17] Speaker D: Like, how many times? So you take the average. Let's look at like, yeah, the top owners, the top 10 owners, the gap from an average NFL player to one of those owners, and wealth difference. [00:46:29] Speaker B: I'll say 150. [00:46:31] Speaker D: 150 times difference. [00:46:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:34] Speaker D: So you think the owners make 150. [00:46:36] Speaker B: Times more than an average. [00:46:38] Speaker D: Than an average NFL? [00:46:39] Speaker C: It feels like a lot, but I'm not gonna say you're wrong. [00:46:42] Speaker B: One point. One point five, Bill is what that would be. I did the math in my head. [00:46:47] Speaker C: So then more. 200 times. [00:46:49] Speaker D: 200 times. It's 2, 333 times the wealth difference. [00:46:54] Speaker C: We were still conservative. [00:46:58] Speaker D: You guys. [00:46:59] Speaker C: 100 times is not a lot. [00:47:03] Speaker D: Was 2002, 333 times. You guys are not in the ballpark. [00:47:08] Speaker C: Can't even fathom that. [00:47:09] Speaker D: You are not understanding the dramatic difference between NFL players and the owners that they work. [00:47:15] Speaker C: I thought 150 was a lot. I thought it was too much, actually. [00:47:22] Speaker D: You guys are so cute. [00:47:25] Speaker C: You don't realize how poor you really are. [00:47:28] Speaker D: Yes. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:31] Speaker D: The average NFL player on the minimum salary would need to play for how many years to afford to buy the cheapest NFL franchise? [00:47:40] Speaker B: God. [00:47:43] Speaker C: Five, 100 years? [00:47:45] Speaker B: Million. $10 million a year. [00:47:47] Speaker C: No, don't do that. [00:47:48] Speaker D: Don't do their career earnings. This is their. This is on the minimum contract. 878. [00:47:53] Speaker B: 70. [00:47:55] Speaker C: All right. 2000 was how many times? All right, I'll say. They'd have to work for 5, 000 years. [00:47:59] Speaker B: I'll take the over on that. [00:48:02] Speaker D: The answer is five, 300 years. [00:48:06] Speaker C: You based it off of mine? I feel like I was close. [00:48:11] Speaker D: That's to buy the cheapest NFL franchise. [00:48:14] Speaker C: Who is the cheapest? [00:48:15] Speaker B: The Bengals. [00:48:17] Speaker D: I should know this. I remember we've talked about this on a previous episode. I could look at gander. Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those Bengals or something. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah, like for Patrick Mahomes, with his $450 million contract, could only afford to buy 4.5% of the Cowboys if he invested his entire earnings into that. [00:48:41] Speaker C: I'm actually curious. How much did Brady get for the Raiders as a minority owner? [00:48:46] Speaker B: Yeah, Bengals. 5.5 billion. Cheapest. [00:48:49] Speaker D: Cheapest. Yep. [00:48:50] Speaker C: I'm curious how much Brady then put in it because he's a minority owner now of the worst team. Probably, but Anybody know? [00:49:00] Speaker D: No. No, I don't. I don't know that offhand. [00:49:03] Speaker C: Like, what his I don't know how much money that would equate to, but it was just however much he. He's got like a 1 point something percent stake in the Raiders. Yeah, I was hoping I was stalling up for one of you to look it up, but. [00:49:19] Speaker D: No, no, no. I'm. I'm still looking through my notes. Anyway, the. Let's look at some of these comparisons here. [00:49:29] Speaker B: The. Tom Brady brought 220mil 10 stake in. [00:49:33] Speaker C: The Raiders, 10% for 2. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Him and his partner, Tom Wagner. [00:49:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I didn't realize he bought 10 though. [00:49:41] Speaker B: That's. [00:49:42] Speaker D: That's pretty substantial. [00:49:43] Speaker B: Brady owns about 5%, so half on that. [00:49:46] Speaker D: Oh, okay, okay. [00:49:47] Speaker B: It's about 110 mil. [00:49:51] Speaker D: To an average American, buying a five dollar coffee represents. [00:49:56] Speaker B: You get five dollar coffees, those are like seven or eight bucks. Dude, where are you getting five tower coffee? [00:50:03] Speaker D: I mean, I'm not always getting the large one. Sometimes I'm getting just a little small. That's all I need. [00:50:07] Speaker B: I'll let it go. [00:50:08] Speaker D: He's getting a vent spice chai latte. [00:50:10] Speaker C: He's getting a venti instead of a girl. A grande. [00:50:13] Speaker D: No, the venti is the big one. [00:50:14] Speaker C: Is it really? [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yes. [00:50:15] Speaker D: Starbucks sizes are stupid. [00:50:17] Speaker C: I don't actually. All right, this is a guy who doesn't go to Starbucks. You can clearly tell they know what. [00:50:23] Speaker D: You'Re saying if you just say small. I don't know why they got to be cute with it. It's dumb. Maybe. Anyway. [00:50:29] Speaker B: Maybe. [00:50:30] Speaker D: For buying a $5 coffee represents 0.006% of annual income for an American. That same percentage for an NFL player would be $192. So the comparison there is like relative to your income. If they spent $192, it would feel like what you feel spending $5. [00:50:52] Speaker C: I wonder what. 190. [00:50:54] Speaker D: What about for Rob Walton? Rob Walton to feel that same spending. [00:51:00] Speaker B: Like buy Joe Burrow four times. [00:51:04] Speaker D: For Rob Walton to feel what you feel when you spend five dollars, he would have to buy a 6.8 million dollar yacht. Oh. [00:51:17] Speaker C: Yeah, that probably has a five dollar coffee in it. [00:51:24] Speaker B: $5 coffee store. [00:51:26] Speaker C: Yeah, he's got his own Starbucks chain. [00:51:30] Speaker D: If Rob Walton dropped a million dollars on the ground, it would be like an average American dropping 74 cents. If Dak Prescott, for him to feel the same sting as you spending $100, he would need to spend $71,700. How he makes a lot of money. [00:51:54] Speaker B: You don't say. [00:51:54] Speaker C: Yeah, so what you're telling me here is there's people with just so much Money that people can't comprehend the amount of money. [00:52:04] Speaker D: It is hard. I've got more. Let's work on comprehending this. Okay, I've got more examples. All right. [00:52:09] Speaker B: I like the coffee. [00:52:09] Speaker D: An average American feeds the meter with quarters. Okay. NFL minimum player could use hundred dollar bills without thinking twice. Okay. Dak Prescott could use bars of gold. [00:52:19] Speaker C: I feel like they do Rob Walton. I feel like some of them do. [00:52:23] Speaker D: Rob Walton could park a different Bugatti at each meter in downtown Detroit and just leave them there. And that's. That's compared to what we feel feeding the meter with quarters. [00:52:33] Speaker C: How many Bugatti Bu. Gotti are we talking about here? [00:52:38] Speaker D: I don't know. [00:52:39] Speaker C: Hundreds, probably of Bugattis. [00:52:43] Speaker D: I like. I like the thought. This is a reminder to anybody who has misgivings about the amount that players earn, note that their careers can end at any time because of injuries. [00:52:58] Speaker C: For sure. We may have seen two. [00:53:01] Speaker D: So when a player gets injured, you know, their entire livelihood is jeopardized. Thank you. Continue. Sound effect. When an owner loses a player, though, there. That's a depreciating asset which they can then write off on their taxes. It is kind of like, do you think that's actually. [00:53:26] Speaker C: Oh, my star quarterback got injured, so I'm gonna write that as a tax write off. [00:53:31] Speaker D: Yes, yes. [00:53:34] Speaker C: No, that's a human being. [00:53:37] Speaker D: No, they. They are cattle to the owners, and they are. [00:53:42] Speaker B: They're fed way worse. [00:53:44] Speaker C: You're making me feel dirty about watching football right now. [00:53:49] Speaker D: The. That equivalent is. It's kind of like if you were to lose your job. [00:53:54] Speaker C: You're learning. [00:53:56] Speaker D: Compared to Jeff Bezos, you know, having one delivery truck breakdown, like, that's. That's the comparison. When they lose a player, all right, they're just like, whatever, write it off. Get another one. These are cattle, all right? Rob Walton could pay every player in the entire NFL their current salary for two full seasons and still have $90 billion left. [00:54:21] Speaker C: 90 billion. [00:54:22] Speaker D: Now. [00:54:22] Speaker C: Okay, question. How much of this is liquid assets here? Are we talking? [00:54:28] Speaker D: Oh, that's. That's not really consequential. That's not part of the conversation. And for people operating at that level, that's. They don't do the liquid. [00:54:38] Speaker C: They're not liquid. [00:54:38] Speaker D: They're operating an entire different. [00:54:40] Speaker C: They're like plasma. [00:54:42] Speaker B: They're the type of people that, like Bobby Bunia has, like, a deferred contract. [00:54:46] Speaker C: I'll be honest, I don't know who Bobby Bun. [00:54:48] Speaker B: That's why I'm explaining it to you. He's a player for the New York Mets. And he's the first player to ever defer a contract and say, you don't need to pay me now, but just pay me my $60 million. [00:54:59] Speaker C: I've heard of this. [00:55:00] Speaker B: One million of it every single year on this exact day. [00:55:03] Speaker C: I actually, I have heard of this because they have what, Bobby Bonilla Day. [00:55:07] Speaker B: It's Bobby Bonilla Day where he is paid. So when I say that, like owners don't have to say, all right, I'm going to take your 60 million and go put in this little pocket over there they call a bank. I was just listening to a financial expert talk about like how owners operate. They call a bank and say, hey, I, the NFL is going to look on January 8th for 60 million. I need you to take this, make an account, put 60 million in it, and then you can get rid of it on January 9. I will pay you the interest. That's what they do. Like they have so much at stake. And a majority of these owners could sell out their team right now and make an extraordinary profit. Maybe you'll talk about that, Kyle. [00:55:54] Speaker D: Oh, sure. I love, I mean, I love all these conversations. The combined career earnings of every player currently in the NFL wouldn't equal half of Jerry Jones's net worth. [00:56:06] Speaker C: And didn't he make most of his money? Well, I mean, he got a lot of it on oil, but I feel like he made most of it just on the team. [00:56:13] Speaker D: He has made a lot from the team. He's been very successful at growing that to the most valuable brand in this league. [00:56:19] Speaker C: He's also ruining that brand. [00:56:21] Speaker D: But you could take the top 100 highest paid players, annual salaries, and Rob Walton makes more than that investment in investment returns per month. [00:56:38] Speaker C: Listen, I'm starting to get a little depressed about my paycheck. [00:56:42] Speaker D: Rob Walton makes more money and interest in his sleep, about $15 million per night than the average NFL player makes in their entire career. [00:56:54] Speaker C: What about me? [00:56:55] Speaker D: Jerry Jones way more than you. [00:56:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:57] Speaker D: Jerry Jones could pay the entire Cowboys 53 man roster for a full season with just two weeks of his investment returns. If you ever feel. [00:57:10] Speaker B: I don't feel bad for owners. [00:57:11] Speaker D: Never feel bad for owners. And if any of them talk about the money or coming up with it or any reason to not pay anything or any like not get the best coaches, the best gm, the best coordinators and all those things, especially the ones that aren't on your cap sheet, don't buy that bull crap. Anyway, where were we? [00:57:40] Speaker B: Is this a bad time to talk about whether Cincinnati should tear down their. [00:57:43] Speaker D: Team and rebuild per second earnings. Joe, work hours. The average American makes about a penny and a tenth of a penny per second. 1.1 pennies per second. [00:57:56] Speaker C: Hell yeah, man. We're rolling. [00:57:59] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:58:00] Speaker C: Crushing it. [00:58:01] Speaker D: The average NFL rookie makes america Pretty good. $0.12 per second. [00:58:07] Speaker C: Oh, buddy. [00:58:09] Speaker D: Dak Prescott, $8.01 per second. [00:58:14] Speaker C: God. Good for dad. [00:58:16] Speaker D: I know. Good for D. Walter Payton. Man of the year. Dak. [00:58:20] Speaker C: Most Valuable award. [00:58:22] Speaker D: Rob Walton's Investment returns roughly $179 per second. [00:58:27] Speaker B: Oh my God. Nice. [00:58:29] Speaker D: 24 7, 365. [00:58:33] Speaker B: I love your laugh. It's so disingenuous. [00:58:36] Speaker D: I do like this meeting scenario. Imagine you've got a meeting where practice squad player walks in. They've got their head held high because they make $225,000. That's pretty good salary. You're just a football player on the practice squad. [00:58:52] Speaker C: You don't even have to do the hard stuff. [00:58:54] Speaker D: You're not on TV, not on the roster, just practice squad 225. [00:58:58] Speaker C: You're there to get beat. [00:59:00] Speaker D: Feeling great about Rudy Rudiger. Dak Prescott makes that during this two hour meeting. That 225. Just during this meeting. [00:59:09] Speaker B: During the team meeting. [00:59:11] Speaker D: Jerry Jones has made more during this meeting than the practice squad guys. Entire extended family will see in their lifetimes. And Jerry's not even the richest owner in the room. [00:59:22] Speaker C: Where does he rank? Is he in the top ten? [00:59:25] Speaker D: Jerry would be. [00:59:27] Speaker C: I feel like he wouldn't be. [00:59:29] Speaker D: Seventh. [00:59:29] Speaker C: Seventh. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Wow. [00:59:30] Speaker C: Higher. [00:59:31] Speaker D: With an estimated 13.8 billion dollar net worth. [00:59:34] Speaker C: I'm just curious because they own the lines. Where are the Fords? [00:59:39] Speaker D: Let's see. 24th. 24th estimated $2 billion. [00:59:44] Speaker B: Good job. [00:59:45] Speaker C: You're being. You're still being a little humble. [00:59:48] Speaker D: $2 billion. [00:59:50] Speaker C: 24. We ain't the top end. [00:59:53] Speaker D: You need this to feel good about yourself. [00:59:56] Speaker C: My owners aren't trash. [00:59:59] Speaker D: Well, I don't know about that. I don't know if I would go that far. [01:00:03] Speaker C: What about those Packer owners? [01:00:05] Speaker D: Rob Walton makes your entire lifetime earnings plus retirement in about a day and a half. He makes. Yeah, he makes my annual salary every 15 minutes. I started looking at him versus my finances and on actually all these players. So actually I did a little bit of like, what about me? What about my financial position compared to NFL players and. And owners? [01:00:33] Speaker C: He probably makes mine in what, 10 seconds. [01:00:36] Speaker D: I did actually find it kind of interesting. [01:00:38] Speaker C: I thought you're gonna be like, I actually looked this up. [01:00:40] Speaker B: No, I actually agree. [01:00:41] Speaker D: I did look at it and now not to. Not to spotlight myself particularly, but I did go into a. I have a good job. I went into a good career where they pay reasonably well. I didn't choose to work for a school or anything like that. No disrespect. [01:01:00] Speaker C: Jeez, we're making differences over here. I know. [01:01:03] Speaker D: You are the noble ones. I'm the selfish one. I looked around and said, hey, I don't care about helping people. I just want to make money. So I went into a career where they pay good salaries and not even anything dramatic. I'm in, you know, whatever the. The 85th percentile of American earnings. And so, relatively speaking, I'm doing pretty good. [01:01:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you suck. Whoa. [01:01:27] Speaker D: I look at my, you know, estimated likely lifetime earnings by the end, and that's about. That's comparable to the career earnings of an average NFL player, only it will have taken me my entire career to accrue that. And they, on average, get it in 3.3 years. [01:01:46] Speaker C: Wow, you suck. [01:01:48] Speaker D: So income, if you look at that. If you look at an NFL player, do better. We'll make in three points, year, three years what it takes me, you know, in the 40 to 50 years to have earned in total all the wealth that I will have accrued by then. So that's me doing really well as an average American worker. Great job, average saving, buying a home, saving away for retirement, maxing out my Roth IRA 401K, all that stuff. And by the time I retire, I will have accrued in total what an average NFL player does in their short career by the time they're in their mid-20s. [01:02:26] Speaker C: Good job, Kyle. [01:02:27] Speaker D: Interesting comparison. Rob Walton, though, he could pay my salary for 750,333 years. [01:02:39] Speaker C: That's a lot of years. [01:02:41] Speaker D: Yeah. If you guys are going to do the reverse math to figure out what my actual salary is, then go for it. [01:02:46] Speaker C: I don't want to. I don't need to know. Do you want to know why I. [01:02:48] Speaker D: Don'T need his network? 753, 000. [01:02:53] Speaker C: I lead when you don't got much. I lead a rich life. [01:02:58] Speaker D: You do. [01:02:59] Speaker C: I have a great family. Yes. [01:03:03] Speaker D: I'm proud of you guys. [01:03:04] Speaker B: That's one of us. All right. [01:03:06] Speaker C: Any more depressing numbers here? [01:03:08] Speaker D: Is this depressing? [01:03:09] Speaker C: I thought it was fun. [01:03:09] Speaker D: We're just talking about. [01:03:11] Speaker C: So it's fun in a way. And then in other ways. I'm sitting here like, there's so much money out there. I have none of it. [01:03:20] Speaker D: I have none of it. [01:03:21] Speaker C: It's a scalpers, you're a homeowner. [01:03:23] Speaker D: You're a homeowner. You're already in the upper percentiles. [01:03:26] Speaker C: I am in the upper percentile. [01:03:27] Speaker B: The fact that I'm 1 percenter podcasters. [01:03:30] Speaker C: That's right. [01:03:30] Speaker B: Yes, we are rich. [01:03:31] Speaker D: That is true. In summary, my key takeaways from this investigation. I thought it was interesting that my career earnings will be comparable, highly comparable to an NFL player's career earnings. That's just a fun fact. Except that it will take my entire life to make that, but I probably will. So at the Also the other thing is as an illustration, I've given some illustrations, but one of the points that I wanted to make is the difference between an NFL player and us is tiny in comparison to the difference between NFL players and the owners that they work for. That's an enormous gap. Comparably, the gap between us and the NFL players is tiny. It's like in if there were a building, like a huge 45 story building and we're on the ground floor because we're the average Americans. NFL players are like on the third floor and then the poorest owner in the league is like the 40th floor and the richest one owns that building and 40 other buildings in the downtown. [01:04:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:33] Speaker D: Like they're in another world. [01:04:36] Speaker C: That's just like the oops. [01:04:39] Speaker D: Even the most successful players in the history of the support are nothing. They are chumps. They are nothing compared to the poorest of the owners in this league. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I really do enjoy the yacht comparison to the coffee. More of those would make me smile. [01:04:55] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:04:55] Speaker C: Do you want a very coffee or do you want just a yacht? [01:04:59] Speaker B: I would be curious of us buying. [01:05:01] Speaker C: Does the yacht come with coffee? [01:05:02] Speaker D: Right. I'll treat myself today. [01:05:05] Speaker B: Twenty thousand dollar car. What would that comp be for an. [01:05:08] Speaker D: Owner for us to buy? That's like a life purchase for us for them to buy something that is a noteworthy light. It'd probably be like a sports franchise. Like I'm gonna really splurge. I'm gonna treat myself. I've been saving up for this. Yeah, I mean I'm gonna buy a hockey team. [01:05:26] Speaker C: I'm gonna ride my car until it's dirt. So you know, we can tell. [01:05:32] Speaker B: I've seen the wow, that's hateful to my car. It's gonna say I saw the personalized license plate. I expect nothing less. [01:05:38] Speaker C: Well, I can always transfer the license plate. You just hurt my car. Betty's a great car. [01:05:44] Speaker B: You're being a real sucker. [01:05:46] Speaker C: You. You're being a. You're Being a jerk. [01:05:49] Speaker B: You almost said something different. [01:05:50] Speaker C: No, I didn't. I went to confession. [01:05:52] Speaker B: Ian, what'd you think? That was pretty good. [01:05:55] Speaker C: It was good. It's just that's a lot of money that's floating out there that I think they could do a lot more good with than they are. [01:06:01] Speaker D: And they don't pay. [01:06:04] Speaker B: They don't pay taxes. [01:06:06] Speaker D: I just gotta squeeze that out. [01:06:07] Speaker C: Political. [01:06:08] Speaker B: All right, let's get to our picks of the week, guys. Currently Kyle winning by one. [01:06:14] Speaker C: That depends on how tonight's game. [01:06:16] Speaker D: I'm not happy about this, you guys. I'm disappointed. So this is the disappoint after. [01:06:23] Speaker C: Well, if the Steelers win and Miami lose, then we'll be tied. [01:06:27] Speaker D: You and I, we would be tied. [01:06:29] Speaker C: Steelers, Steelers. Steelers. The. I don't. I hate that I'm putting my. My hopes on a Steeler basket. [01:06:38] Speaker B: It truly is disappointing. [01:06:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:06:41] Speaker B: Let's talk about our locks of the week team. We guarantee will win. Ian, hit us with your team right now. [01:06:47] Speaker C: Houston. I think the. The Texans are really gotten putting something special together. I like their defense. Their offense is clicking a little bit more than it has been. [01:06:58] Speaker B: Biggest spread of the weekend. 13 points right now. How about you, Kyle? [01:07:01] Speaker C: I gotta take care if I want to actually win these pickums. I gotta go cheap here now. And so I have no qualms about it. [01:07:07] Speaker B: As somebody who picked Tampa last week and everyone said I'd like a bounce back. I like a bounce back. Virgil. And then they lose took her cousins and 3. [01:07:16] Speaker C: Bring those tears Kirko chains. [01:07:18] Speaker D: All right. I locked in the Eagles over the Commanders. [01:07:21] Speaker B: I guarantee the Lions will beat Pittsburgh. Love that. [01:07:26] Speaker D: That is sweet. I am stoked about that one. [01:07:29] Speaker C: I like that pick. [01:07:29] Speaker B: My upset pick is the second biggest spread of the weekend. I have Cleveland beating Buffalo. [01:07:35] Speaker C: Can you explain this? [01:07:36] Speaker D: Nice. [01:07:37] Speaker C: What your thought process is. [01:07:38] Speaker B: It's a classic Buffalo trap game let down game. Yep. [01:07:42] Speaker D: Here you go. [01:07:43] Speaker B: I don't think that they match up well against the Browns. I think the Browns are a really good defense. You don't run on them. They have the second best total defense in the NFL currently and. [01:08:00] Speaker D: We'Re not talking enough about this. [01:08:02] Speaker B: The Bills have proven if they run the ball, they can win. They will not commit to running James Cook and it will cost them. They will lose in the playoffs and someone will beat them that you're not expecting in the one year that we all thought Josh Allen was gonna win. He choked it away. Oh, he's growling up on the. On the floor. Right? Golden. [01:08:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:08:33] Speaker C: I do. [01:08:33] Speaker D: We are not Talking about the Miles Garrett sack record here. Enough. [01:08:36] Speaker C: One away or two? [01:08:38] Speaker B: We need. How many does he talk. We're gonna talk more about next week. [01:08:42] Speaker D: When he breaks it, because he's probably gonna break it this week. [01:08:46] Speaker B: Okay, we're going to talk about more next week. Just put a pencil. Put a pen in that, not a pencil. What's your upside? [01:08:51] Speaker C: Well, but like, Mike, I'm generally curious. How far away is he? [01:08:55] Speaker D: I think he's a sack away from. [01:08:57] Speaker B: Just one or a second half. [01:08:58] Speaker C: Yeah, okay. I was just curious. We've already talked about the Bears and how I think that they're gonna be a good pick over the Packers. So I'm taking the Bears over the packers, small spread and those divisional games. [01:09:15] Speaker B: King of picking the small spreads. [01:09:16] Speaker C: Gotta go for small. You gotta get those divisional games. [01:09:19] Speaker B: Yeah. How about you? [01:09:21] Speaker D: I'm calling for the Colts with Philip Rivers to find their groove. A full week of practice, this guy. Give him a full week of practice. You see what he can do. [01:09:28] Speaker B: I think he's gonna play worse for the full week. [01:09:31] Speaker C: Every day he's gonna walk in, just be like, oh, man, I'm sore, guys. [01:09:35] Speaker D: Oh, my God. Gosh, I'm losing sleep. [01:09:37] Speaker B: There's four players on that team from when he played previous. [01:09:40] Speaker C: Did you give us your lock? [01:09:42] Speaker D: Yeah, I said the Eagles over the counties. Okay. [01:09:45] Speaker C: I can't remember if you. [01:09:46] Speaker D: And I'm calling the Colts over the ners is my upset. Wow. [01:09:49] Speaker C: Wow. [01:09:49] Speaker B: Adam Silver just downtrodden an hour and nine minutes in just to have his heart ripped out. [01:09:57] Speaker D: I know he might not facetime me tomorrow. [01:10:00] Speaker C: We need more, like. [01:10:03] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:10:03] Speaker B: Hey, how's his health doing after all his running? Doing well. [01:10:07] Speaker D: Oh, Adam's in the best shape of his life. He's great. [01:10:10] Speaker B: He does like ultras. [01:10:11] Speaker C: Yeah, he looks like it. [01:10:13] Speaker D: Yeah, he's extreme. [01:10:15] Speaker C: Legitimately. I don't know. [01:10:16] Speaker D: Love it. [01:10:16] Speaker C: He looks like. [01:10:18] Speaker D: I think he's kind of superhuman, actually. That's crazy. [01:10:21] Speaker B: Adam, I want your take on this. I have a buddy who is gonna run a marathon. Him and his wife in Traverse City. And I'm debating on surprising them both at the marathon. And I'm wondering where I need to stand in the marathon. It's the Bayshore Marathon. None of my listeners will get back to this, people. So I don't really care about saying it's not going to ruin it, but where should I go in the marathon? What part of the marker. If you're an hour and ten into this, Adam, and you actually message me an answer. [01:10:53] Speaker D: Right. [01:10:54] Speaker B: That's He's. He's the listener of listeners. Yeah. [01:10:57] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:10:58] Speaker B: The guy's like the person who, when I start doing this, They listen because they think Marshall's got something at the end. They're like, you know what? You got a little tidbit. Marshall's been holding on to something, and now Ian and. Ian and Kyle start keeping the mics on, and you never know, Marshall might just say something controversial. Cut Kyle and Ian's mics. And then Ian just says, don't cut me off, dude. And he grabs Marshall's mic, he says, you can't silence me. [01:11:29] Speaker C: I'm back. Oh, let's put a pin on whatever you're saying. [01:11:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:37] Speaker D: Whatever you were gonna say gets up here. [01:11:39] Speaker C: We're just gonna. [01:11:39] Speaker D: You get a pin and you get up. [01:11:41] Speaker B: Are you offended by the pin? [01:11:42] Speaker C: Always offended. I think he was. [01:11:44] Speaker B: He was upset about the. [01:11:44] Speaker C: He's gonna put in pinata. He's probably already stopped recording. [01:11:48] Speaker B: I would never do that to you. [01:11:49] Speaker C: Oh, you would. I feel like I saw your hand over there. [01:11:53] Speaker B: No. I can see the waves moving. [01:11:56] Speaker C: Yeah, that's a lie. That's a lie. The waves can move without the records. Don't you make it loud on me.